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BrianDavion wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Can you name any other company that sells as many books/rules as GW with such a massive "churn"? Its complete bonkers... And yet they are still in business. GW is very unique in its position within the market & the industry. They have the monopoly on GW hobby. They can charge you for GW hobby if they want...

The ministry of education. Obligatory books they pick you need to learn at school, with maybe some options of additional books, but in general you have one official book per subject. Printed in private print shops, so uncles/fathers/etc can make good money, Changed every 10 months, so you can't use the book from prior year. Cost of the books themselfs are mandated by the state, making the books cost as if they were laced with gold.

.......... he's not wrong

Getting UNI flashbacks...

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Anyone want to stop making up random nonsense that has no basis in reality?
Seriously, be annoyed at things that are actually there.

What little has been said by the animators themselves has only been positive

well yes, as they aren't going to bad mouth their employer, they would get the sack!

that GW has been very generous and the offer they made them was too good to say no to - we know what these animators were making in many cases, tahnks to the transparency of patreon, in most cases it was 6+ figures a year - I very much doubt GW offered them less than what they thought they could get doing non-GW freelance content).

Wait, you think GW is paying individual animators £100,000+. Seriously? Their rules writers, the back bone of the IP, aren't making near that! Management roles aren't paying that!
The very few that were making 6 figures did so on the back of GW's IP. If they were just doing random animations they wouldn't have near the audience so the choice they were given was 'work for us or unemployment'

Astartes was making 20000€+ MONTHLY on his Patreon.
Even if you subtract Patreon fees, He'd probably come out with 150000€ per year. No way you give up that kind of money to have the privilege of earning a third of that and working for GW.

Didn't the guy behind Astartes said that although he was being paid less, he said it was a good offer that's reliable and all above board. Whereas his Patreon was unreliable and of questionable validity given his use of IP he didn't own.

I believe "the guy" producing Astartes was also multiple people, or at least the Patreon money was used to pay multiple people, often in an ad hoc fashion. While there's no way GW offered him money equivalent to his Patreon I don't think he was personally earning as much as people assume. There's also something to be said for a more secure employment offer still doing the thing you love doing.

Ultimately we have no idea what he was personally making before going to work for GW and we don't know what his personal circumstances were and how much of his free time Astartes was taking up. We don't know what the GW offer was either. I think there are too many unknowns to get a proper sense of the whole situation.

Naturally.
Do you think he's going to come out like Sodaz did and say that they went with the "work for us or lose the entirety of your income" approach?

Eh, I take the stance that he didn't have the right to make an income on that anyway. "Gun to your head" doesn't really apply to that situation.

 Thairne wrote:
Naturally.
Do you think he's going to come out like Sodaz did and say that they went with the "work for us or lose the entirety of your income" approach?

If the entirety of his income was based on using someone else's IP that's an eventuality he should have been prepared for from day one. Even so, we can assume the offer was at least reasonable since he accepted it. Or I guess you could assume GW held a gun to his head, and his family's, and his dog's and he's now chained to a desk somewhere in a basement in Lenton.

He did plan on branching out into his own IP because GW came for Astartes.
But it's clear that wasn't going to be anything like as popular as his 40k work.

Comm Cain wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Anyone want to stop making up random nonsense that has no basis in reality?
Seriously, be annoyed at things that are actually there.

What little has been said by the animators themselves has only been positive

well yes, as they aren't going to bad mouth their employer, they would get the sack!

that GW has been very generous and the offer they made them was too good to say no to - we know what these animators were making in many cases, tahnks to the transparency of patreon, in most cases it was 6+ figures a year - I very much doubt GW offered them less than what they thought they could get doing non-GW freelance content).

Wait, you think GW is paying individual animators £100,000+. Seriously? Their rules writers, the back bone of the IP, aren't making near that! Management roles aren't paying that!
The very few that were making 6 figures did so on the back of GW's IP. If they were just doing random animations they wouldn't have near the audience so the choice they were given was 'work for us or unemployment'

You think GWs rules writers are the backbone of their IP?

Do you think he's going to come out like Sodaz did and say that they went with the "work for us or lose the entirety of your income" approach?

Pretty sure Sodaz never said that.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Eh, I take the stance that he didn't have the right to make an income on that anyway. "Gun to your head" doesn't really apply to that situation.

Yeah, I’ve not seen any of this content and haven’t commented previously on what happened to these animators but regardless of what brand were talking about if someone’s making decent money using GW IP then they are lucky they weren’t sued. Being offered a job is a good outcome for these people.

Especially when it’s competing with a planned product range and income stream.

If the astartes stories were that good then maybe GW will put them up on Warhammer plus as part of the settlement with the producers. Sounds like that would be a good outcome for everyone.

mrFickle wrote:
If the astartes stories were that good then maybe GW will put them up on Warhammer plus as part of the settlement with the producers. Sounds like that would be a good outcome for everyone.

Astartes is on the WarCom site, and has been there for a while.

beast_gts wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
If the astartes stories were that good then maybe GW will put them up on Warhammer plus as part of the settlement with the producers. Sounds like that would be a good outcome for everyone.

Astartes is on the WarCom site, and has been there for a while.

Ah, well there we go then :-)

I've seen speculation in other forums that he the Astartes guy might have had something to do with the Chaos Gate II trailer.

No idea if it's true, but if so, he's not just the Astartes guy anymore.

Darren Latham’s YouTube channel finally bit the dust (I know he wasn’t active there anymore), presumably asked to get rid of it to reduce competition for Warhammer+ painting videos.

 Horla wrote:
Darren Latham’s YouTube channel finally bit the dust (I know he wasn’t active there anymore), presumably asked to get rid of it to reduce competition for Warhammer+ painting videos.

He announced he was taking it down in May of last year from some of the things he said etc it does sound like GW may have asked him to take it down, granted if he's one of the people making the painting tutorial videos I can understand GW wanting him to not provide the same tutorial for free elsewhere