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tneva82 wrote:
Just because guy is big, armoured and wields a sword doesn't make him space marines.

Very excited for the Primaris Avatar of Khaine next year!

So I like both models and all, but I find it very strange that they have decided a good and balanced box set involves someone with tons of defensive buffs specifically against ranged combat and dealing big damage to Vehicles and Monsters, and then setting them up against melee blenders with none of her ideal targets.

beast_gts wrote:

Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... umm... do Custodes really need a super-fighty HTH character?

You know that's not how this works. Sculptor made a sword guy in layers and layers of.. leather?*... and the codex writer had to come up with something for sword guy to do.


*I'm honestly not convinced there isn't just a standard primaris marine in power armor buried under all that... stuff.

Didn't they say on the stream that it's the same armour as the jetbike guys?

They did make that observation, yes.

 kurhanik wrote:
So I like both models and all, but I find it very strange that they have decided a good and balanced box set involves someone with tons of defensive buffs specifically against ranged combat and dealing big damage to Vehicles and Monsters, and then setting them up against melee blenders with none of her ideal targets.

I don't think GW even considered the words good and balanced when they made this box. The battle box on the Genestealer side looks like it's composed of models that are either useful in large numbers (Neophytes) or haven't featured in a similar box yet or for some time, so there's no issue with duplication for a large number of customers. Plus the new model for which the box is made in the first place.

I could find a use for all the models in the box, but neither side looks like a representative core of their respective army in my opinion. They're just models GW figured might appeal enough to players with existing collections to spend the big bucks trying to get their hands on the new character.

Or that it's a "good" spread for someone looking to jump into either faction.

Sure, but someone without a collection is not as easily turned off by the inclusion of certain units because taste aside, they'll find their first unit of whatever is in the box useful. An player with an established collection may not want a third, fourth, fifth squad of Lolrus Terminators.

It doesn't cost GW anything to let that inform battle box composition, and as we've seen with that Eldar versus Dark Eldar box, being mindful of the contents instead of throwing in any old junk helps sales (I know, price also figured into it, but not exclusively).

 kurhanik wrote:
So I like both models and all, but I find it very strange that they have decided a good and balanced box set involves someone with tons of defensive buffs specifically against ranged combat and dealing big damage to Vehicles and Monsters, and then setting them up against melee blenders with none of her ideal targets.

On the Custodes side, all their good vehicles are made by forgeworld, with only the old rhino and land raider, plus the etb contemptor in plastic.

 kurhanik wrote:
So I like both models and all, but I find it very strange that they have decided a good and balanced box set involves someone with tons of defensive buffs specifically against ranged combat and dealing big damage to Vehicles and Monsters, and then setting them up against melee blenders with none of her ideal targets.

Balanced? These boxes are never intended for balance. They are discount boxes. Only balance you can hope is money value(makes splitting easier)

 GiToRaZor wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The mine is kind of awful verse infantry. It;s 50/50 per model in range of 3 lol. So they can just toe in with a unit and coin flip to take one mortal.

At least you do have the option to not detonate it based on the wording, but I doubt you would spend a turn planting one over shooting.

Also, why are her IED's worse verse infantry and bikes then verse land raiders? It is also even funnier based on the fact she is facing no monsters or vehicles in the box set lol.

Controlling your opponents movements and dictating awkward activations is part of the potential value of the mine, I agree just shooting is likely better though.

But the IED might be a shaped charge intended to take out bigger targets or something, it's just a useful game control mechanic.

But heaven forbid the characters rules are designed with thought for use outside of the release box.

It doesn't really deter enemy movement though. It still requires a 4+ to even hit it's intended target (vehicles or monsters) and once you use it you lose it lol. Verse infantry it's laughably poor since as I already wrote, it rolls hits based on models within 3" and only in specific phases. So even verse chaf like guardsmen, they can move move move in the shooting phase and sit right on top of it and you can't detonate it lol. Any strat for additional movement (fire and fade etc) or psychic power just embarrasses it. Thats poor rules design in general IMO.

Heaven forbid they write rules that actually function in general.

While the damage output can be debated, your point about the movement is plain wrong. It doesn't say that your enemy needs to have charged, just that it's the end of the Charge Phase, and that one ist after Shooting (move move move) and Psychic. So if your enemy moves up on the mine in any of those, you can still blow it up in the Charge Phase. Don't forget the H in IMHO.

Couple things,

1st, thats a great catch and I hadn't thought of that interaction. So thanks for pointing it out!

2nd, the fact that we need a fething debate about when to detonate a weapon, and of all things to situationally detonate it in an otherwise unused assault phase still speaks volumes on how over-baked the rule is for minimal effect. Again it should have simply allowed you to roll a die for each model in the unit up to a max of X or simply done flat mortals.

3rd, you really need to work on your own humility if your getting your panties in a bunch over acronym shorthand unless your trying to just be funny, in which case improve on that instead.

I have still yet to hear a compelling argument on why someone would forgo the units shooting for the mine.

Edit:

"At the end of the movement phase or opponents charge phase if any enemy models are within 3"..."

Further evidence the rule is written like crap. The enemy can actually drive a tank over the mine so long as they drive 3.1" past it and you cannot detonate it...

tneva82 wrote:
If you can't see multiple features shared between other custodes rather than marines maybe book time with nearest ophthalmologist

Just because guy is big, armoured and wields a sword doesn't make him space marines.

He's got the top-knot and the lion shoulders, sure. But underneath the leather, the armor looks smaller than other custodes, more power armor sized, and all the armor details are buried under the piles of fabric and leather, including his shiny gold booties.
Swap the pauldrons and shave some iconography and you've got a better Emperor's Champion model.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you can't see multiple features shared between other custodes rather than marines maybe book time with nearest ophthalmologist

Just because guy is big, armoured and wields a sword doesn't make him space marines.

He's got the top-knot and the lion shoulders, sure. But underneath the leather, the armor looks smaller than other custodes, more power armor sized, and all the armor details are buried under the piles of fabric and leather, including his shiny gold booties.
Swap the pauldrons and shave some iconography and you've got a better Emperor's Champion model.

He has the armor and helmet of a Vertus Praetor, the Custodes Bikers. They wear ligther armour, and have had it since their release years ago.

Yeah they used to be super light on armour

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/16/is-a-genestealer-cult-on-terra-the-death-knell-of-the-imperium/

A heads-up on codex release dates

While we previously expected the Adeptus Custodes and Genestealer Cults codexes to arrive alongside Shadow Throne, it’s fair to say that the process of shipping things around the world is still not without its challenges.

Despite the Herculean efforts of the teams that work to get new Warhammer into stores and homes every week, these codexes are now expected to land early next year. In the meantime, though, we’re going to reveal a bunch of cool stuff from both books while we wait, so stay tuned to Warhammer Community for regular updates.

JWBS wrote:
Yeah they used to be super light on armour

Spoiler:

The community has us covered on 3d printable models for the OG versions complete with pole(arm) dancing pose.

https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=fabstodes&type=things&sort=relevant

Oof, feel sorry for GSC and Custodes players planning to go to LVO in January as now they are touch and go of making the cutoff for new rules. They would need to be released on Jan 8th to make it.

 bullyboy wrote:
Oof, feel sorry for GSC and Custodes players planning to go to LVO in January as now they are touch and go of making the cutoff for new rules. They would need to be released on Jan 8th to make it.

Doesn't seem likely since they're not even able to commit to January in the article - just a vaguer "early 2022".

WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

...you seriously think this wasn't the plan?

It's not just scuffed, it's royally screwed for everybody. It's the first year i've ever known where places are already sold out of Christmas gear and can't even be sure they'll get anymore in the next 6 weeks.

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

WTF is going on with you, that you think a worldwide problem that is crippling global trade, should be an easy fix for GW?

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

GW may be the biggest tabletop miniature game company around, but they are still a tiny fish in the global economy. When massive companies (In the US anyway), such as Walmart and Home Depot cannot get supplies from their vendors even with their well established supply chains, GW is going to have an even worse time. Not only do they not print their own books and pamphlets, their suppliers are out of the country and dealing with their own supply chain issues. GW is doing a better job at it than most businesses, but they are still at the mercy of other factors. Plus GW might get the product and ship it across the globe, but if they cannot get the product to one section of the world, they will delay the release of the entire product across the globe to ensure everyone gets it at roughly the same time.

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

They doubled down on dead trees for selling rulesets in time for a paper and shipping shortage.

Last week there were over 100 container ships anchored at the coast near LA, unable to unload cargo due because current demand far outstrips port capacity.

But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it, and this is some kind of evil plan to actively make things worse for customers

 xttz wrote:

But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it, and this is some kind of evil plan to actively make things worse for customers

To be fair.
Has GW ever missed an opportunity to make things worse for customers?

Apparently the most important item for Black Friday sales this year is a wetsuit. Keeps you warmish while trying to swim out to those tankers to get the early bird deals!

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

WTF is going on with you, that you think a worldwide problem that is crippling global trade, should be an easy fix for GW?

I mean, it would be not an issue at all if they'd figured out the thing that a lot of book manufacturers had figured out ages ago...ebooks....

...but then GW couldn't charge 60 fething human dollars for their 100 page mostly copy-pasted books.


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either way, 2 years into an edition, 5 not-marine armies have gotten anything at all with only 2 getting any significant model releases...CSMs in a completely unusable like "dont even try" unplayable state....

...this is all making me mighty nostalgic for older editions, I dont know about you guys!

I just wonder why they cannot get the FAQ out now even before the books. I mean they were getting the FAQs out shortly after a book release, but now with the books being delayed a couple months, they should have the FAQs as day one downloads. It's not like they don't have their electronic master copies to be reading over .

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

WTF is going on with you, that you think a worldwide problem that is crippling global trade, should be an easy fix for GW?

Fix it? Obviously not. Hence my comment about knowing its screwed up. But I would expect them to have a better idea of when they can get goods delivered or further shorten the window for announcing things if they don't.

Maybe they could make the rules available in some sort of app or something?

 Ordana wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
WTF is going on with GW. I understand global trade is kinda scuffed but surely its been going on for long enough now that they should have a better handle on things.

WTF is going on with you, that you think a worldwide problem that is crippling global trade, should be an easy fix for GW?

Fix it? Obviously not. Hence my comment about knowing its screwed up. But I would expect them to have a better idea of when they can get goods delivered or further shorten the window for announcing things if they don't.

Maybe you are new here....

Look at any of the GW threads and people are clamouring for releases and dates. GW is trying to get product out, they are working with all the steps needed to get product out. Shipping centers are giving dates out for when products "Should Arrive", but even those are optomistic. To give you some insight, a couple from my church run a freight hauling business. We all read in the news how there is a container shortage which is leading to part of the problem of getting supplies. One of their trucks took an empty container to the port to drop off when they went to pick up a new container full of product for a company. They were turned away at the port because there was no place to stack the empty container, which means they had to turn around without any new container because they could not unload the empty container. They were not warned about this when the scheduled their pick up over the phone. So the container they were to pick up was now blocking other unloads. EVERY step of the shipping process is buggered up right now. President Biden just took a trip to one of the ports in the last week to address the situation. Sounds great, but with a Presidential presence, certain tasks are halted by security measures, So yet another delay . It really is not as simple as everyone thinks it should be. There has been remarkable improvements in the last couple weeks, but most of that was due to letting the ports start to work 24 hours a day.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Maybe they could make the rules available in some sort of app or something?

Yeah, its not like we have a sort of live demonstration of a half-dozen randos in russia being paid voluntarily thru patreon running absolute circles around the output of a billion dollar corporation charging 5$/month plus 60$/book ultra-ultra-premium prices.

That would really just illustrate the comedy of the people defending profit motive-sempai in the hopes that he'll notice them.