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Bago wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?

They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.

Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Bago wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?

They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.

Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

Do you people just use "fomo" for everything now?

The embargo drops, same time as it has been for the past few years, when the preorders start in different regions. First reviews are usually up at midnight for me on the East Coast of the US(around 8 hours away from now).

Oh, and there's usually things like Xttz linked where there's full on leaks of everything with meme-y "review" videos that are just people talking about things.

Warlord Traits
Gestalt Commander - as shown on WHC (change warlord trait each battle round)
Swarm Leader - as shown on WHC (full rerolls for a unit within 9")
Strategic Adaptation - after both players have deployed but before the first battle round, select up to 2 units and redeploy them.
Units can be placed into strategic reserves without having to spend additional CP.

Relics
Adaptive Neuro Lobe - Each time your opponent spends a command point, on a roll of 5+ you gain a command point
Biomorphic Carapace - for each attack against the bearer, subtract 1 from wound rolls
Synaptic hive blades - as shown on WHC (boneswords)
Void Crown - bearer knows one additional psychic power, if the bearer performs a psychic action it can still use 1 psychic power that phase.
For unmodified rolls of 9+ on a psychic test, that power or action cannot be denied

Stratagems

Alpha leader leader beast
As shown on WHC. Extra warlord trait (Can be used to get warlord trait as well as two adaptive physiologies)

Animated by the hive mind
Automatically triggers explosion on death of monster (except titanic)

Borer grubs
Used in shooting phase. Until end of phase, each attack with fleshborer weapon, unmodified wound roll of 6 inflicts a mortal wound in addition to normal damage
Costs 1CP, or 2CP for tfex

Control of the Swarm
When your warlord is destroyed, select another character to gain a warlord trait

Hive mind imperative
Used in command phase. Select a unit within 12" of synapse creature.
Unit gains objective secured and can shoot while performing actions.

Hyper-adaptive
Used in command phase.
Select another hive fleet adaptation (i.e. Kronos, Kraken) for that unit until the end of the turn.

Questing tendrils
Setup outflanking unit in round 2 as if it was round 3

Relentless fury
Works in shooting or fight phase. Each time an attack is made unmodified hit rolls of 6 score an additional hit.
If the unit contains 11+ models, each 6 scores two additional hits instead.
1CP (2CP for genestealers)

Synaptic domination
Extend synpase to any friendly unit

Void in the warp
Used after enemy psychic test, and after any deny attempts are made. Enemy psychic must be within 24" of a synapse creature.
The power is denied on a roll of 4+ on a D6.

Synaptic Links are max 3, also limited by game size

Each is 15 pts except for Zoanthropes @ 10 pts

Broodlord - as on WHC

Hive Tyrant - Unit pile in +3", up to 6"

Maleceptor - Wound rolls of 6 increase AP by 1, Re-roll damage roll

Neutrohrope - as on WHC

Tervigon - Re-roll 1,s and 2,s to wound with ranged attacks

Trygon Prime - Fall back, shoot and charge

Tyranid Prime - Melee attacks unmodified hit rolls of 6 auto wound

Tyranid Warriors - Attacks made by models in this unit get +1 to hit

Zoanthrope - Roll 1 additional dice and discard the lowest for a psychic check.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Bago wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?

They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.

Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

Let's be honest, if the reviews were genuinely brutally terrible, do you think the reviewer would get future review content?

 xttz wrote:

Spoiler:

[Warlord Traits
Gestalt Commander - as shown on WHC (change warlord trait each battle round)
Swarm Leader - as shown on WHC (full rerolls for a unit within 9"
Strategic Adaptation - after both players have deployed but before the first battle round, select up to 2 units and redeploy them.
Units can be placed into strategic reserves without having to spend additional CP.

Relics
Adaptive Neuro Lobe - Each time your opponent spends a command point, on a roll of 5+ you gain a command point
Biomorphic Carapace - for each attack against the bearer, subtract 1 from wound rolls
Synaptic hive blades - as shown on WHC (boneswords)
Void Crown - bearer knows one additional psychic power, if the bearer performs a psychic action it can still use 1 psychic power that phase.
For unmodified rolls of 9+ on a psychic test, that power or action cannot be denied

Stratagems

Alpha leader leader beast
As shown on WHC. Extra warlord trait (Can be used to get warlord trait as well as two adaptive physiologies)

Animated by the hive mind
Automatically triggers explosion on death of monster (except titanic)

Borer grubs
Used in shooting phase. Until end of phase, each attack with fleshborer weapon, unmodified wound roll of 6 inflicts a mortal wound in addition to normal damage
Costs 1CP, or 2CP for tfex

Control of the Swarm
When your warlord is destroyed, select another character to gain a warlord trait

Hive mind imperative
Used in command phase. Select a unit within 12" of synapse creature.
Unit gains objective secured and can shoot while performing actions.

Hyper-adaptive
Used in command phase.
Select another hive fleet adaptation (i.e. Kronos, Kraken) for that unit until the end of the turn.

Questing tendrils
Setup outflanking unit in round 2 as if it was round 3

Relentless fury
Works in shooting or fight phase. Each time an attack is made unmodified hit rolls of 6 score an additional hit.
If the unit contains 11+ models, each 6 scores two additional hits instead.
1CP (2CP for genestealers)

Synaptic domination
Extend synpase to any friendly unit

Void in the warp
Used after enemy psychic test, and after any deny attempts are made. Enemy psychic must be within 24" of a synapse creature.
The power is denied on a roll of 4+ on a D6.

Synaptic Links are max 3, also limited by game size

Each is 15 pts except for Zoanthropes @ 10 pts

Broodlord - as on WHC

Hive Tyrant - Unit pile in +3", up to 6"

Maleceptor - Wound rolls of 6 increase AP by 1, Re-roll damage roll

Neutrohrope - as on WHC

Tervigon - Re-roll 1,s and 2,s to wound with ranged attacks

Trygon Prime - Fall back, shoot and charge

Tyranid Prime - Melee attacks unmodified hit rolls of 6 auto wound

Tyranid Warriors - Attacks made by models in this unit get +1 to hit

Zoanthrope - Roll 1 additional dice and discard the lowest for a psychic check.

If you're right about this, gants with devourers are going to be spooky. If the Relentless Fury strat lasts the entire phase, double-tapping with d-gants, supported by a Tervigon with Chapter Monster and synapse boost. Also, do you know if warriors are granting +1 to shooting, melee or both? If both/shooting, 30 gants hitting on 3's, rerolling hits+ triple hit on 6 > rerolling 1-2 wound... twice. Yeah it's all ap 0, but that is several buckets of save. Operation: Death by a Thousand Beestings may be a go.

 xttz wrote:

Questing tendrils
Setup outflanking unit in round 2 as if it was round 3

This is pretty neat.

Relentless fury
Works in shooting or fight phase. Each time an attack is made unmodified hit rolls of 6 score an additional hit.
If the unit contains 11+ models, each 6 scores two additional hits instead.
1CP (2CP for genestealers)

Zoinks...

Holy moly, these all look very decent, although, I'm slightly disappointed about synapse link, they're ok for 15 points, but not that big of a difference. It could be enough to push leviathan, as a competitive army, ahead of endless kraken/kronos lists.

Xttz, got any of them sweet sweet Cadian teases?

Those are some great stratagems and WLT if true. Hopefully when they release the new nid codex, Levithan gets a much better faction trait.

Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.

 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.

£5 cheaper in the UK. Same number of pages as Charadon II, more pages than Charadon I.

I don't understand, Dakka users reliably informed me that reprinting Psychic Awakening rules would make the book more expensive!

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Bago wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?

They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.

Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.

 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.

Well, for the previous books quite a number of people voiced that the content wasn't terrible, but few were willing to buy it at that price. GW isn't above learning when it earns them money.

tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.

Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.

I am in two minds about campaign books and rules

I loved Sheild of Baal art and story but was very sad that with all the named POV Sisters of Battle characters, units etc - not a single rule was included to reflect this.

On the other hand repeatedly reprinting rules is hard to stomach.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.

Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.

Oh no, I better buy it now for those inquisition rules out of fear before they get reprinted again in 2 years and I simply can't get them!!!!

Your view is simply absurd I'm afraid.

I think if the books were predominantly lore and art there'd be more of a "fomo" element too them in terms of them being limited print runs ultimately.

However looking at the contents, whilst there is lore and art, they are much more dominantly rules and rules get reprinted and published all the time.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.

Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.

You are 100% incorrect about this, as firstly, it won't sell out, secondly, rules are never limited unless they are specifically stated to be, and then they are printed in white dwarf. Stop fear mongering over the most ridiculous reason. If you feel the need to gripe about GW, there's plenty of threads dedicated to that where you won't have to make up a reason.

 xttz wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.

£5 cheaper in the UK. Same number of pages as Charadon II, more pages than Charadon I.

I don't understand, Dakka users reliably informed me that reprinting Psychic Awakening rules would make the book more expensive!

I hope this means Charadon was a miserable sales failure, so GW are taking a tiny baby step towards learning that they can't get away with charging so much for rules DLC.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.

Hmm... Do you really think once the inital run through of these books is sold, they're going to send out to China for more reprints? By the time this would happen (inc shipping times), they'll be superceded in rules anyway.
The only thing that GW makes that isn't limited is the core plastic figures for their games.

You are 100% incorrect about this, as firstly, it won't sell out, secondly, rules are never limited unless they are specifically stated to be, and then they are printed in white dwarf. Stop fear mongering over the most ridiculous reason. If you feel the need to gripe about GW, there's plenty of threads dedicated to that where you won't have to make up a reason.

I'm not fear mongering. I was just pointing out that except for most of the core plastic, GW items are limited.

The only complaint I was having was that GW ban reviews till after their initial sales were over. We all know GW make the majority of their sales for a new product on its release.

I guess my mistake was insulting the fan boys by using the phrase fomo in my initial remark. Here, I take it back...

tneva82 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Bago wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?

They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.

Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

Fomo doesn't apply when there's no mo to begin with.

Fyi campaign books aren't limited release.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
The only complaint I was having was that GW ban reviews till after their initial sales were over. We all know GW make the majority of their sales for a new product on its release.

I guess my mistake was insulting the fan boys by using the phrase fomo in my initial remark. Here, I take it back...

No, as far as I'm aware your mistake was in the inaccuracy of the claim. The review embargo lifts as the pre-order window opens.

Whether people with advance copies are ready with their material for that moment in time is another matter entirely, but the opportunity is there.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
The only complaint I was having was that GW ban reviews till after their initial sales were over. We all know GW make the majority of their sales for a new product on its release.

I guess my mistake was insulting the fan boys by using the phrase fomo in my initial remark. Here, I take it back...

No, as far as I'm aware your mistake was in the inaccuracy of the claim. The review embargo lifts as the pre-order window opens.

Whether people with advance copies are ready with their material for that moment in time is another matter entirely, but the opportunity is there.

Most reviewers I've seen do have the reviews ready. Isn't that part of getting the numbers up on the likes of youtube? Being first?
The issue of course is that a few of the GW items sell out in the first few minutes. Who has chance to watch the review before having to desperately click to buy?

 Jidmah wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the pre-orders just popped online and they made the war zone book €7,50 cheaper than the previous two.

Well, for the previous books quite a number of people voiced that the content wasn't terrible, but few were willing to buy it at that price. GW isn't above learning when it earns them money.

Agreed. Not even the (IMHO) excellent Vigilus books were that expensive when they were available. But the price to content ratio as disappointing for the previous two books, especially when, if you want to get the most out of it from a Crusade POV, you'll also need to get the Containment mission pack, which are IMHO also a bit too expensive for what they give you.

 Fergie0044 wrote:
I hope this means Charadon was a miserable sales failure, so GW are taking a tiny baby step towards learning that they can't get away with charging so much for rules DLC.

I'm surprised they're still persisting with the "collector" editions of these DLC books. I mean, the last one stayed in stock for so long I can't imagine that doing more of them for campaign books is at all worthwhile (compared to Codices, that tend to sell out rather quickly).

Whether people with advance copies are ready with their material for that moment in time is another matter entirely, but the opportunity is there.

Yeah, but you get the reliable ones. Goonhammers review and Ashs review on GMG went up at 11 o' clock (again, German time) sharp. Its important for the reviewers to get it up first/earliest, I watched Ashs video and read goonhammers reviews, not much incentive for me, to watch more reviews. I work in PR (-Consulting), an embargo breach is pretty frowned upon, so I am wondering, why the one youtube guy put up his review early. I dont think, he will receive any more preview copies (besides its unfair for the other content creators). Dont mind my rambling, just have an interest in these processes


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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Bago wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


When we will see the first reviews of this?

They put out an embargo for their products, embargo drop is normally with the start of preorder. Its 11am in Germany Saturdays.

Really?
So GW send out preview copies, but don't allow the reviews till the fomo sales are over? Do they fear bad reviews?

Let's be honest, if the reviews were genuinely brutally terrible, do you think the reviewer would get future review content?

And also, as much as I like this to be untrue...there definitely is some leeway for criticism, but I work in the automotive sector (again, PR) and if a journalist writes his driving test too critical, he simply wont get invited to future test drives

This being said, I think your whole point of "not allowing reviews because of fomo sales" is not really relevant. As already pointed out, no FO without the MO

After seeing the entire book, Nids are the only real winners.

All the Guard stuff is pretty bad.

All the WT’s are meh.

There’s 2 okay relics, the Sword and the Battle Cannon. Though the battle cannon still has to compete with the demolisher cannon which has an average of 3.5 damage. The Pax Cadia would have been nice, until you realise it only works on the stratagems in the book and 0 of the other Guard stratagems. Even then it only works on 4 of the 7 new stratagems available.

The best part is definitely the stratagems. The one with additional hits on 6’s might be alright on manticores and demolishers.

The fortifications stuff is pointless. They did nothing to address the actual rules to deploy them, so they’re still useless.

Inquisition stuff is literally copy paste. So they did nothing to address that anything that’s not an Inquisitor will never be used. They should have allowed all Inquisitor datasheets to be taken in other detachments without breaking doctrines.