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 -iPaint- wrote:
Valid Kickstarter preview link here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/the-samurai-wars

~iPaint

Thanks. Wierd, I just copy/pasted what Fireforge had posted.

''The Samurai shooters box will contain 24 models that you can assemble all with rifles or bows, the variety is such that you can decide on an infinity of different poses.''

Judging by the pics, it seems there will be separate weapon/arm frames and body/head frames for each kit. So Ashigaru boxes will have a shared body/heads sprue, then either a melee sprue for yari/naginata options, or a sprue for bow/teppo options.

~iPaint

Those guns are too skinny.

I intend on backing, but I hope they make the guns chunky and heroic.

''The ashigaru shooters box will contain 24 models that you can assemble all with rifles or bows, the variety is such that you can decide on an infinity of different poses''

Cavalry - 12 models, with options to assemble them all with horo/sashimono, katana, yari (also two handed), yumi.

Starts today at 5 PM Rome time... which i think is in 1.5 hours...

Sohei - 24 models with options for guns, bows and naginata. Also size comparison with non-FF models.

Neat models, but I see no real incentive to back now vs. buying retail.

Agreed, only a small discount for backing this early on, but most likely will be available at retailers later on for ~15% off (which I'm seeing most Fireforge boxes on eBay going for ~$28 USD), with free shipping.

Hard to see what the incentive is to back this via KS, honestly, even though I'd like to.

~iPaint

Sadly that is probably why FireForge kickstarters are sooo slow to fund and even then just barely fund... and usually only like day 22 of a 30 day campaign.

I backed at the Daimyo level... I really do want these... but my attention gets diverted in really slow campaigns. Hopefully nothing shinier comes up before this campaign ends...

 -iPaint- wrote:
Agreed, only a small discount for backing this early on, but most likely will be available at retailers later on for ~15% off (which I'm seeing most Fireforge boxes on eBay going for ~$28 USD), with free shipping.

Hard to see what the incentive is to back this via KS, honestly, even though I'd like to.

~iPaint

Maybe wanting for it to exist.

Not going to lie, this would make a great themed 40k IG army (maybe as Gue'vesa?), especially if the rumors of Rough Riders coming back are true. Alas, no new projects for me, but just throwing that idea out there.

I think the incentive is for the mounted commanders, but those are not only locked behind stretch goals and funding, but also a minimum 165 pledge.

Of course, that pledge works out to what you'd be paying at retail with a discount and has a few other goodies included.

I do like they have pile of sprues pledge for people like me who want to sample everything, but I think it's a bit pricey for what it is. Or I'm just a cheapskate. Could be both...

Hmm. I was in at the Daimyo level, But seems like the Early Bird Samurai is a more attractive offering. In the Samurai level you get:
3x Sashimono Packs (12x sashimonos each) with engraved clan logo of your choice
1x Honjin kit
1x Palisade kit

For free. Its 165 Euro Vs the 208 Euro for the Daimyo level. so 43 euro less, but you get 2 less boxes of guys but the above freebies.

In at Daymio level now, but it really depends on if they unlock all the different boxes. Without the commanders, monks and cavalry I will probably drop out again...
I hope FF does alot of advertising and social media stuff, as there surely is a market for 28mm samurai. Many companies seem to think that word of mouth is enough, or that the customers should take care of the marketing...

The sohei are a 90k Euro unlock. Unless interest increases greatly, we'll probably not see them this KS. Being those are what interest me, I've little incentive to back. Got lots of metal Clan War figures, some even painted! So samurai bushi are not an issue for me, but monks are.

Also, I only need a box of 24 for skirmish purposes, so a 3 box pledge is overkill.

 Garfield666 wrote:
In at Daymio level now, but it really depends on if they unlock all the different boxes. Without the commanders, monks and cavalry I will probably drop out again...
I hope FF does alot of advertising and social media stuff, as there surely is a market for 28mm samurai. Many companies seem to think that word of mouth is enough, or that the customers should take care of the marketing...

Pretty sure I got Fireforge advertising every now and then on FB, so I think they're after that.

Hope so. I'd expect them to drum up interest in all the big miniature/wargaming forums, especially the historical ones (TMP, Lead Adventure etc.) but haven't seen much so far...

Well, $37,684 out of the $51,060 goal. So, moving faster than other Fireforge kickstarters.

I did go back to Daimyo level, as while the early bird Samurai level was a better deal, I am not really interested in the palisades or the resin bits... So, the bigger discount on the boxes was more appealing.




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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The sohei are a 90k Euro unlock. Unless interest increases greatly, we'll probably not see them this KS. Being those are what interest me, I've little incentive to back. Got lots of metal Clan War figures, some even painted! So samurai bushi are not an issue for me, but monks are.

Also, I only need a box of 24 for skirmish purposes, so a 3 box pledge is overkill.

In the Dwarf kickstarter, the Ram riders and the Musket dwarves didnt fund. But... Fireforge unlocked them anyway. Originally saying that they would unlock but only make them available in the pledge manager to people who had backed over a certain amount. They changed their minds though when the pledge manager actually opened and allowed everyone to select those sets. I would expect that to happen here if they dont fund to that level, but of course that is just me speculating.

Well, $48,297.00 out of the $51,060 goal. This should fund this week.

Funded! The base funding produced samurai shooters, samurai infantry, ashigaru shooters and ashigaru infantry.

Next up, mounted samurai.

“For those who have not followed us in previous campaigns, our company has always tried to meet the wishes of our backers as much as possible.

Compared to other campaigns, our company always puts its face on it, without relying on external agencies for the promotion or the addition of fake pledges.

What we ask for is only a part of the real cost of making the products that we always try to show in the smallest detail and when possible. In past, if a product was not funded by the campaign, we have decided to make it entirely at our expense.


To be of greater help in raising funds for the release of the samurai cavalry we have today decided to decrease the level necessary to unlock all the stretch goals by 5000 € and the first freebie is therefore available to all pledges who are entitled to it.

DATE MASAMUNE WILL COME FREE WITH YOUR PLEDGE (IF IT HAS FREEBIE ALLOWED IN)
Always keep in mind that we will always give a preferential lane for those who participate in our kickstarters compared to those who will enter later during the late pledge who will not be entitled to all the discounts and freebies indicated here.“

This was the update, and in the comments section people were saying that they were mostly interested in mounted samurai and monks. Fireforge wrote “ if there is demand, our company in our previous campaigns has always met the wishes of our financiers. Whenever possible, we invest additional resources to make non-unlocked products available. This is why today we have decided to reduce all stretch goals by 5k, making it easier for the cavalry to unlock at the end of the campaign.”

So it definitely sounds like even if monks are not reached, they will still be unlocked.

I like the look of the models, I just wish the Ashigaru were a little shorter.

 Smokestack wrote:
Well, $48,297.00 out of the $51,060 goal. This should fund this week.

How many plastic sprues is this? 10? more?

First look at the Samurai Wars rules https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/the-samurai-wars/posts/3579364

It has been slow going.

At this point we might not unlock cavalry. Without cavalry and preferably command sets this is a dead deal.

So only 9 more days to go. There seems to be a wall that won't let us get past $53,999. We have passed it a couple times but keep getting knocked back down. Fireforge made the below update.

"There are a few days to go until the end of the campaign.

To entice new backers to participate here are some last news:

if Mounted Samurai will be unlocked, we will unlock also the shown freebies: Tokugawa, Oda and the additional plastic frame
In addition, at the end of the campaign, if we will not be able to unlock the commanders plastic kit, we will create command options in resin that will be available at the end of the campaign on the pledge manager.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE OTHER THINGS SHOWN AND NOT UNLOCKED?
Fireforge games will release the other plastic kit shown in this campaign as soon as possible, then you can be sure that these projects will be released, in hard plastic, but in a more distant future.

Thank you all in any case

We are a small company but as we have shown in the past, we have never lied to our customers. We thank you for your trust and support, we will do everything to continue to deserve it."

Looks like we will get cavalry.

Double deal looks attractive if you move from Daimyo to double EB Samurai, which has IIRC never yet ran out.

"Thank you to your support we unlocked the Mounted Samurai!"

This also unlocked ODA, TOKUGAWA and a free sprue of choice.