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Never mind. Found the leak.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If they were first released for 40k and then ported to AoS, why is the 40k version an upgrade sprue, and not the AoS one?

The kit was designed for Age of Sigmar and given a small upgrade sprue for 40K as that most likely made the most sense as for Age of Sigmar the kit has a lot more options...

- 12 savage blades, 12 arcanite shields and 12 sets of axe and pick – pair up the savage blades or carry one and a shield on each model, your choice;
- 2 models can be assembled as Mutants – these have special, mutated heads. In fact, they have 2 heads. Each. Accompanying their terrible deformity are special mutated weapons – 2 swords and 2 axes, each featuring staring eyes modelled on the hilts;
- 2 models can be assembled as icon bearers;
- 2 models can be assembled as Twistbrays, the unit leaders – there are 4 specific sets of extra-ornate horns for them, and 2 double-handed savage greatblades.

So it's certain we'll get these units, looking likely we'll have these units, and a reasonable assumption we'll get these units:

HQ:
Kharn (potentially a new model)
Daemon Prince
Chaos Lord
Some kind of Berzerker Lord, potentially mount-ed/able on a Juggernaut
Some kind of priest, potentially just a Dark Apostle

Troops:
Khorne Berzerkers
Some kind of non-marine Khorne-specific troop, potentially Khorngors
Cultists

Elites:
Helbrute
Possessed
Red Butchers

Fast Attack:
Chaos Spawn

Heavy Support:
Land Raider
Predator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Defiler
Vindicator
Slaughterbrute

Transports:
Rhino (because how could they not?)

Flyers:
Heldrake

Lord of War:
Angron
Lord of Skulls


The Blue are the ones that have been announced and/or spoiled. The Reds are the ones from the leakers, or, as for Cultists and Spawn, a Chaos standard in any Spikey Marine army. And the Oranges are based primarily on the purported equivalence to the TS codex (hence the Red Butchers and Slaughterbrute), which lines up with the other leaks. I could also have included Accursed Cultists as a possibility, but it's hard to tell given they came out after the TS and DG codices.

The space where it seems that we really have room for possibilities is Fast Attack. The spoiler said that WE will not have access to any jump infantry. They didn't list Venomcrawlers among shooty options WE have (which are not available to DG or TS), and they come fused with Obliterators, which were also not listed as a shooty option we have (and nor do DG or TS).That leaves Spawn (which are in both DG, and TS), and then Bikes. Bikes are not available to DG or TS, but then it conflicts with their more slow and steady theme. We might get access to CSM bikes (hopefully with a new kit), perhaps even WE specific bikes (although it's not in the lore, as far as I know), or, hopefully, even some Khorne specific vehicle. The Blood Slaughterer is in the FA slot already, has a Forge World model, and is Khorne specific.

While the rumours of the TS treatment were initially a gut-punch, I really don't mind that breakdown. I love Daemon Princes, Dark Apostles, Accursed Cultists (fingers crossed), Possessed, Bikes, Heldrakes, and Lord of Skulls, and would be happy to borrow them from the CSM codex (most, if not all of my favourite things from the CSM codex). I'll happily live without playing Helbrutes (shame, as Dreadnaughts are cool, but this model is not) and the LR, Vindicator, and Predator (potato boxes), even if they're included. Defiler is ... just awful as a model. Slaughterbrute is ugly as sin, and has no place in 40k. M/F-Fiends I don't mind, but Heavy Support would certainly be an under-utilised slot if nothing more interesting and Khorne-specific is added. But, as specified, Fast Attack remains the real wild-card at this point.

EDIT: I note that for people who wanted to get a jump on buying, really only Rhinos are an absolute safe bet. Kharn may get updated (no pictures of him old or new at this stage). All of the rest of the certainties are unreleased kits. And maybe cultists are the runner-up for safety. That is to say, there doesn't seem to be any motivation to pre-buy anything for your WE.

I'd be surprised if we got bikes.

 Dreamchild wrote:
-"More of a TS than DG style release," probably meaning WE are getting nothing much else outside of what's already been leaked

So Berserker, Red Butcher, Khorngor and too many random and very monopose characters.
Pretty disappointing if true ngl.
At least I hope the few stuff they'll get will be as little monopose, no wargear, no posability as possible (so closer to TS than DG yeah).

 Tastyfish wrote:
Given bikes are rumoured to be on the way, I was almost expecting a world eater dual build (and that is what they were delayed for).

Same. It's the exact kind of unit that could be done via very simple kitbashing (literally a head, shoulder and weapon swap) if the kits aren't YET another trash monopose stuff... but then again GW has decided that core hobby stuff like kitbashing are now extremely evil, and somehow managed to convince the more gulible that it's because they care about us and don't want to force us to have to buy multiple kit (Ngl it's hard to type that with a straight face, but that's the excuse they give).


HO, slight aside, but there's another World Eater mini that has been teased recently and most people have missed it so far :

The new WH+ exclusive! Wana pay 80+ bucks and wait a year to get your old school WE Lord in Terminator armor (?) ?


I guess this kinda confirm that the WE will have a some form of character in Terminator armor. Probably a Lord of some sort, maybe just a elite character.
Or maybe it's just a random terminator sergeant or something, hard to say, that one seems to be pure nostalgia bait rather than a proper "serious" mini.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd be surprised if we got bikes.

Well, something needs to be there besides Spawn. Not saying Bikes, but looks like we'll be surprised regardless, as nothing obvious goes there yet.

 TonyH122 wrote:
Well, something needs to be there besides Spawn. Not saying Bikes, but looks like we'll be surprised regardless, as nothing obvious goes there yet.

I don't get me wrong, I want them to be there, but the current bikes are Chaos Space Marine bikes, and not World Eater Bikes, and if this is a 1KSons-style release, then we could see a lot of things just vanish from the WE list, even if it makes zero sense for them to be gone.

I guess we have to hope that the rumour of new bikes was real...

There's 2 types of Khorne possessed apparently.

So OK_Entrepreneur on Reddit has said that World Eaters will not got CSM possessed but instead their own two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine". Other might be some dog-faced mortals he's mentioned, or those could be the Khorngors and there's a separate second possessed.

Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

Also sounds like there might not be Red Butchers, but WE Terminators who get upgraded to Red Butchers via strat still. Maybe, more a comment on the WD list so could be hinting that this stays or that they get models (or upgrade bits in Terminator kit).

In 30K they have a Terminator unit called Devourers.

 Tastyfish wrote:
So OK_Entrepreneur on Reddit has said that World Eaters will not got CSM possessed but instead their own two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine".

Yeah it's called a POSSESSED MARINE!
What the feth is wrong with GW?

Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

It doesn't have me excited to be honest, it makes me think it will be a hot mess or busy parts sprouting from wherever. Could be wrong, but I was not a fan of the possessed cultists CSM got. The Possessed were not bad though so I feel like it is a coin flip lol.

CSM didn't even get their possessed cultists yet, for some reason they're still not out.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

It doesn't have me excited to be honest, it makes me think it will be a hot mess or busy parts sprouting from wherever. Could be wrong, but I was not a fan of the possessed cultists CSM got. The Possessed were not bad though so I feel like it is a coin flip lol.

I know what you mean; with the example of the Forge World Gal Vorbak, all the plastic options so far have been lacklustre by comparison so my expectations are low.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

You're missing the grand point

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

It doesn't have me excited to be honest, it makes me think it will be a hot mess or busy parts sprouting from wherever. Could be wrong, but I was not a fan of the possessed cultists CSM got. The Possessed were not bad though so I feel like it is a coin flip lol.

Hard to tell what they will look lke in real life. Lots of new releases looks terrible with GW paintjob and flat images, but end up quite cool once you get them on the tabletop. That said, they sure dont look pleasing to the eye -I guess that makes sense for gotesque mutated abominations though.

Could be new fluff to bring back Mutilators.

I remember the really nice Khorne daemonkin codex. It had a cool blood tally system that basicly made any unit you lost generate blood thite that granted you bonuses and soon enough let you summon free bloodthirsters

Best option you could take was cultists in a rhino, because they generated 3 bonus points (for unit, transport, and unit character) if the enemy took them out.

That would be nice to see again, and would fit with the bonus systems other factions get today.

 Fayric wrote:
I remember the really nice Khorne daemonkin codex. It had a cool blood tally system that basicly made any unit you lost generate blood thite that granted you bonuses and soon enough let you summon free bloodthirsters

Best option you could take was cultists in a rhino, because they generated 3 bonus points (for unit, transport, and unit character) if the enemy took them out.

That would be nice to see again, and would fit with the bonus systems other factions get today.

Age of Sigmar Khorne have a similar mechanic. Whenever a unit (yours or theirs) dies you get a Blood Tithe point and summon a daemon unit.

In 40k it'll probably just be "give +1 strength to a unit for every 5 Blood Tithe points you have" and "Spend 1 CP to give a unit +1 Str without spending a Blood Tithe point" or something.

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Sounds like a cool system but summoning free Bloodthirsters seems a bit excessive. Would be nice if we had something more potent than the "1 CP for +1 Str" though haha

 Tastyfish wrote:
two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine".

So, a blood smoothie?

Tastyfish wrote:Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

So they're getting a special snowflake on a blood pegasus? Interesting.

I've forgotten - are the Brazen Beasts part of the WE, or a Khorne-aligned Renegades warband these days? I think I can recall them being both at different times.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

You're missing the grand point

If you tried making your point, clearly and succinctly, perhaps people wouldn't miss it.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Sounds like a cool system but summoning free Bloodthirsters seems a bit excessive. Would be nice if we had something more potent than the "1 CP for +1 Str" though haha

Well it takes 8 units dying. With maybe 20 in game.

Also in practice tithe gets usea in stuff like move/charge start of turn, fight in start of turn, auto dispels etc.


Coupled with free bloldthirster needing 9" charge in practic it's hardly op.

(As is khorne is one of the worst armies atm)

Two varieties of Khorne Possessed sound cool to me. There better be a dedicated Terminator kit coming though.

 Dysartes wrote:
I've forgotten - are the Brazen Beasts part of the WE, or a Khorne-aligned Renegades warband these days? I think I can recall them being both at different times.

Renegades - they've never been part of the WE, iirc

 Dysartes wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

So they're getting a special snowflake on a blood pegasus? Interesting.

I've forgotten - are the Brazen Beasts part of the WE, or a Khorne-aligned Renegades warband these days? I think I can recall them being both at different times.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Most possessed only have one special friend. Stuffing eight (Khorne’s number of course) into one is quite extravagant.

You're missing the grand point

If you tried making your point, clearly and succinctly, perhaps people wouldn't miss it.

The grand point is that it's still just Possessed, one friend or 100. It's another situation of bespoke rules because there's a going to be a more Khorne looking Possessed model, but that doesn't need a whole unit entry.

There's no consistency with the rules writing but people defend it.

Dunno, sounds more of a small monster scale model than a unit to me.

 Tastyfish wrote:
So OK_Entrepreneur on Reddit has said that World Eaters will not got CSM possessed but instead their own two types - with one being "what happens if you put 8 bloodletters in a space marine". Other might be some dog-faced mortals he's mentioned, or those could be the Khorngors and there's a separate second possessed.

Flying Juggernaut with a Brazen Beasts commander as a special character alongside Angron and Kharn.

Also sounds like there might not be Red Butchers, but WE Terminators who get upgraded to Red Butchers via strat still. Maybe, more a comment on the WD list so could be hinting that this stays or that they get models (or upgrade bits in Terminator kit).

Leaving Red Butchers as a stratagem would be sooo bad. And typical 9th edition gw treatment for Chaos as well.

tneva82 wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Sounds like a cool system but summoning free Bloodthirsters seems a bit excessive. Would be nice if we had something more potent than the "1 CP for +1 Str" though haha

Well it takes 8 units dying. With maybe 20 in game.

Also in practice tithe gets usea in stuff like move/charge start of turn, fight in start of turn, auto dispels etc.


Coupled with free bloldthirster needing 9" charge in practic it's hardly op.

(As is khorne is one of the worst armies atm)

Oh interesting, I didn't realize the scale involved. Losing about 40% of your army to summon a Bloodthirster doesn't seem that bad then.

They're gonna wanna put sub factions (or more properly sub-sub-factions) into this already 1 dimensional army ain't they? What could they possibly do?

Stone Cold Blood Killahs - The Stone Cold Blood Killahs believe that Khorne wants to them to come to grips with the enemy as soon as possible, they add 6" to the move of every unit.

Stone Cold Skull Killahs - The Stone Cold Skull Killahs believe that Khorne does not want to wait for them to come to grips with the enemy and wants to them to kill the enemy at range. They add 6" to the range of every shooting weapon.

Stone Cold Death Killahs - The Stone Cold Death Killahs are all like, why not both yo? They add 3" to their move AND 3" to weapon ranges.

Sadly, I can guarantee these rules will be better and easier to use than whatever GW puts in the codex. Including the names.