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 CMLR wrote:
Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements.

I'm really satisfied with these boyz. I just wonder why the leader is double wielding. In fact, no part of the rules say that you *need* skareshields.


Although the unit cards state a special rule for skareshields.

I prefer the poses of the Dominion spear wielder kruleboyz. However, they don't have access to banners or musicians. I bet there aren't enough extra bits in the new box to fix a few Dominion units.

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The rules for the unit say they have scare shields and other ways of intimidating the enemy , the rule allows them to inflict -1 to hit on a unit they charge if ld test is failed. Assuming any save benefit is baked in.

If anyone bought multiple Dominion gutrippaz/hobgrots then it’s very easy to add hobgrot musician horns to the backs/belts of a gutrippa and cut a spear and add a hobgrot standard with a spare gutrippa shield to make a basic standard. Not award winning but gets the job done.

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The leader has a ton of shields; 9-29 meat shields


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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements.

I'm really satisfied with these boyz. I just wonder why the leader is double wielding. In fact, no part of the rules say that you *need* skareshields.


Although the unit cards state a special rule for skareshields.

I prefer the poses of the Dominion spear wielder kruleboyz. However, they don't have access to banners or musicians. I bet there aren't enough extra bits in the new box to fix a few Dominion units.
There are.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The leader has a ton of shields; 9-29 meat shields


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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements.

I'm really satisfied with these boyz. I just wonder why the leader is double wielding. In fact, no part of the rules say that you *need* skareshields.


Although the unit cards state a special rule for skareshields.

I prefer the poses of the Dominion spear wielder kruleboyz. However, they don't have access to banners or musicians. I bet there aren't enough extra bits in the new box to fix a few Dominion units.
There are.


There is only one banner but two options for musicians (horn and drum).
   
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 Gimgamgoo wrote:


Although the unit cards state a special rule for skareshields.


No. They mention what they use to try to intimidate, yet they don't say they *must* have skareshields.
   
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If we want to be technical, without shields they would be considered not fully assembled. But the important part is that there is no equipment option where they don't have shields, so there is not going to be any confusion as to what their stats are either way. As long as suitable conversion measures were taken I doubt people would have a problem with it.

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So, not too sure if anyone noticed or this slipped smoothly under the radar but with the AoS app...

All the 'free' warscrolls on the GW webstore have disappeared. Completely.

Only way to access them now is the app.


Now only a CSM player. 
   
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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, not too sure if anyone noticed or this slipped smoothly under the radar but with the AoS app...

All the 'free' warscrolls on the GW webstore have disappeared. Completely.

Only way to access them now is the app.

So not only the new stuff - Dominion onwards - but all the old ones as well?

Weren't people saying this wouldn't happen?

Hmm...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, not too sure if anyone noticed or this slipped smoothly under the radar but with the AoS app...

All the 'free' warscrolls on the GW webstore have disappeared. Completely.

Only way to access them now is the app.

So not only the new stuff - Dominion onwards - but all the old ones as well?

Weren't people saying this wouldn't happen?

Hmm...


Well someone will find a way to say this is a good thing dont you worry.

Im pretty much done with the gaming side at this point. Both 40k and now AoS. Rules, books are just too expensive overall, specially if you play multi systems and have multiple factions. Calling it gaming quits since I cannot support that biz model.
Buy minis for modelling sake.

   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, not too sure if anyone noticed or this slipped smoothly under the radar but with the AoS app...

All the 'free' warscrolls on the GW webstore have disappeared. Completely.

Only way to access them now is the app.

So not only the new stuff - Dominion onwards - but all the old ones as well?

Weren't people saying this wouldn't happen?
Got evidence for that?

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ERJAK wrote:
...probably has a some amount of Nazi memorabilia, has many concerning opinions about racial and cultural minorities, and/or likely refers to women as 'females'.
--Saying this about another member does not violate Dakka's Rule #1, apparently. 
   
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Don't make this needlessly adversarial by demanding "proof". Anyone can look at the damned GW website for themselves.

The rules are gone.

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 NAVARRO wrote:
Spoiler:
 Dysartes wrote:
 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, not too sure if anyone noticed or this slipped smoothly under the radar but with the AoS app...

All the 'free' warscrolls on the GW webstore have disappeared. Completely.

Only way to access them now is the app.

So not only the new stuff - Dominion onwards - but all the old ones as well?

Weren't people saying this wouldn't happen?

Hmm...


Well someone will find a way to say this is a good thing dont you worry.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't make this needlessly adversarial by demanding "proof". Anyone can look at the damned GW website for themselves.

The rules are gone.



I think he's asking for proof people where saying it wouldn't happen.

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I think a few people did propose that it might not happen as technically they were 2.0 warscrolls. I suspect many thought GW would just cycle them each time they updated a Battletome to 3.0.


So it might be a touch surprising for some that all the warscrolls are gone.


Personally I find it annoying, if just because it was handy being able to freely check what units did what or what options there were outside of armies you collect and own the battletome for. The kind of thing that can be interesting to check when chatting about another army or when checking a rule to help someone or when looking up a new army to collect and getting a bit of a feel for them.


It's not the end of the world to me; sorry to see it gone, but at the same time its not a surprise.

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 Overread wrote:
I think a few people did propose that it might not happen as technically they were 2.0 warscrolls. I suspect many thought GW would just cycle them each time they updated a Battletome to 3.0.


So it might be a touch surprising for some that all the warscrolls are gone.


Personally I find it annoying, if just because it was handy being able to freely check what units did what or what options there were outside of armies you collect and own the battletome for. The kind of thing that can be interesting to check when chatting about another army or when checking a rule to help someone or when looking up a new army to collect and getting a bit of a feel for them.


It's not the end of the world to me; sorry to see it gone, but at the same time its not a surprise.


proably was easier to remove em all at once. at least right now the AOS ap is free since it's in beta.

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The decision has nothing to do with "ease" and everything to do with a short-sighted approach to making more money. The "easiest" thing would have been to leave the scrolls up.

It's just more evidence GW is returning to the old customer-unfriendly "squeeze more money out of a rock" policies that got it into a hole in the first place. All in the name of keeping the unsustainable stock price growth going for a little bit longer.

You can complain here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Complaint-Portal (I assume other countries have their version). I don't flatter myself that it'll cause a change, but if they get enough discontent registered, it might possibly cause them to hold off on the next customer-unfriendly policy they're planning on rolling out.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If we want to be technical, without shields they would be considered not fully assembled. But the important part is that there is no equipment option where they don't have shields, so there is not going to be any confusion as to what their stats are either way. As long as suitable conversion measures were taken I doubt people would have a problem with it.


The warscrolls doesn't say you must equip them with skareshields, so you could get 4 boxes go give a single 10 man unit two hand weapons. The rule about Scare Taktiks is justified with them ululating. Let's be honest, only Grots get scared of those shields.
   
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 CMLR wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If we want to be technical, without shields they would be considered not fully assembled. But the important part is that there is no equipment option where they don't have shields, so there is not going to be any confusion as to what their stats are either way. As long as suitable conversion measures were taken I doubt people would have a problem with it.


The warscrolls doesn't say you must equip them with skareshields, so you could get 4 boxes go give a single 10 man unit two hand weapons. The rule about Scare Taktiks is justified with them ululating. Let's be honest, only Grots get scared of those shields.
From my reading of fluff there is a magical/hallucinatory element to it, which makes more sense (not that the flavor text explains such). And yeah, kitbashing to give them all two weapons wouldn't be something anyone would have a problem with.

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...probably has a some amount of Nazi memorabilia, has many concerning opinions about racial and cultural minorities, and/or likely refers to women as 'females'.
--Saying this about another member does not violate Dakka's Rule #1, apparently. 
   
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 CMLR wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If we want to be technical, without shields they would be considered not fully assembled. But the important part is that there is no equipment option where they don't have shields, so there is not going to be any confusion as to what their stats are either way. As long as suitable conversion measures were taken I doubt people would have a problem with it.


The warscrolls doesn't say you must equip them with skareshields, so you could get 4 boxes go give a single 10 man unit two hand weapons. The rule about Scare Taktiks is justified with them ululating. Let's be honest, only Grots get scared of those shields.


Hey now, at least it's not as bad as Reivers giving a -2 Leadership in 40k because they wear goofy skull masks.

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Ugh ikr...

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ERJAK wrote:
...probably has a some amount of Nazi memorabilia, has many concerning opinions about racial and cultural minorities, and/or likely refers to women as 'females'.
--Saying this about another member does not violate Dakka's Rule #1, apparently. 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:


The warscrolls doesn't say you must equip them with skareshields, so you could get 4 boxes go give a single 10 man unit two hand weapons. The rule about Scare Taktiks is justified with them ululating. Let's be honest, only Grots get scared of those shields.
From my reading of fluff there is a magical/hallucinatory element to it, which makes more sense (not that the flavor text explains such). And yeah, kitbashing to give them all two weapons wouldn't be something anyone would have a problem with.


Without the Battletome, I figured out that the skareshields somehow emanates some of Kragnos intimidating prescense.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Hey now, at least it's not as bad as Reivers giving a -2 Leadership in 40k because they wear goofy skull masks.


Still surprised that they don't give -10 Leadership to the player instead.
   
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 CMLR wrote:
And yeah, kitbashing to give them all two weapons wouldn't be something anyone would have a problem with.


Rulewise they don't actually have a shield so no issue whatsoever. Only mention of shield is in fluff text but fluff != rules.

They are equipped with sword or spear. Not with shield.

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Just watched this video about some rumours (I couldn't find) in Reddit:




  • GSG vs BoC, updated Bullgors, Doombull and Jabberslythe.

  • MoN, GSG, OMT and BoC Battletomes.

  • New SC! Ogor Mawtribes with new hero (a brand new at that).

  • New OBR foot hero and archers unit.

  • New Chaos Warriors, Knights and Chosen.

  • Yet another Lumineth expansion.

  • 3 new armies: Umbraneth (shadow aelves, maybe Malerion), Dawnbringer Crusaders (Cities of Sigmar redux), Oathbreakers (Chorfs).

  • Narrative: Azyr tainted.


  • He himself said that this came from a "trust me, I know someone" post.

    Anyone readed the original Reddit post?

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     CMLR wrote:
    Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements..


    Using them as reinforcement doesn't solve anything. Still need to convert the banner.


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     CMLR wrote:
    Just watched this video about some rumours (I couldn't find) in Reddit:
    Anyone readed the original Reddit post?


    Isnt this basically the old rumour circulated before? Also any rumour that involves word start collecting I'm dubious. GW seems to be moving AWAY with it in new editions. 40k SC's died out. I doubt AOS gets new ones either.

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     CMLR wrote:
    Just watched this video about some rumours (I couldn't find) in Reddit:

    He himself said that this came from a "trust me, I know someone" post.

    Anyone readed the original Reddit post?


    It’s basically the 4chan rumours from June repackaged with a few omissions and nothing new.
    There’s a copy on Faeit 212

    Whilst nothing on the AoS side has been disproven yet the 1000 sons vs Grey Knights was wrong about 1 side being entirely new in the end each just got 1 mini.

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    tneva82 wrote:
     CMLR wrote:
    Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements..

    Using them as reinforcement doesn't solve anything. Still need to convert the banner.



    It does. You only need one banner and one musician in a reinforced unit.

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     CMLR wrote:
    tneva82 wrote:
     CMLR wrote:
    Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements..

    Using them as reinforcement doesn't solve anything. Still need to convert the banner.



    It does. You only need one banner and one musician in a reinforced unit.


    Well if you want suboptimal unit sure. On that logic no banner is needed.

    If you don't want to overpay you have 1 banner per 10 models. Ie 2 for 20.

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    Two banners doesn't stack the bonus.

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    ERJAK wrote:
    ...probably has a some amount of Nazi memorabilia, has many concerning opinions about racial and cultural minorities, and/or likely refers to women as 'females'.
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    What advantage does having multiple banner bearers and musicians give ? In most cases the owning player chooses casualties and the unit only needs one of each to benefit , and benefit isn’t cumulative.

    There are a handful of ways your opponent can choose the casualty and they’re more likely going to take out the champion it break coherency if they can do that.
       
     
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