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Pre-orders up on NZ. Surprised to see a World Eaters transfer sheet in the kits, which is nice:



The product description for Jakhals mentions more customisation than I'd anticipated though we'll see how that actually turns out.

And the Eightbound can be built with bare torsos...

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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Pre-orders up on NZ. Surprised to see a World Eaters transfer sheet in the kits, which is nice:



The product description for Jakhals mentions more customisation than I'd anticipated though we'll see how that actually turns out.

And the Eightbound can be built with bare torsos...


Bit unfortunate they've stripped away the colour from the World Eaters symbols - I prefer the green and blue Earth-like planet between the jaws, it's a good contrast to the rest of the armour.

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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Pre-orders up on NZ. Surprised to see a World Eaters transfer sheet in the kits, which is nice:
Spoiler:



The product description for Jakhals mentions more customisation than I'd anticipated though we'll see how that actually turns out.

And the Eightbound can be built with bare torsos...
Topless Eightbound with an AoS khorne helmet would probably look a lot less derpy than the stock models, and the left over plate looks roughly terminator scale. Had a good nosey at the Jakhal sprue pics, they have lots of chain weapons poseable at the wrist, but as most of the unit is dual wielding doesn't look like there would be a lot of spare parts.
   
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 DarkStarSabre wrote:


WE are pretty solid for keeping in theme with regards to appearances and haven't deviated too far from the original aesthetic. We can only hope that DG were a fluke and maybe the EC will keep the similar aesthetics...


What aesthetic do the EC really have to keep? It's actually quite stunning how few "Slaaneshi marine" models GW have ever made. Outside HH, there are:

About ten(?) from Rogue Trader, without much of a coherent aesthetic
The one from the set now called "Traitors of Chaos" which firmly established the look for the other three gods, but not Slaanesh
The original Noise Marine
Those weird 3rd(?) Ed Noise Marines that got very memory-holed very quickly
The upgrade set for plastic CSM, still on sale
The EC Chaos Lord
Lucius
The rereleased Noise Marine

Any more? It's possible I have missed something. But if not, that is six plus an upgrade kit since the 2nd Ed codex?

There are some recurrent elements there (notably speaker grilles in strange places) but as a group they don't even fit with each other that well. The EC are much more of a design blank slate when it comes to a full range compared to the other three. Granted, what they've now done for HH will probably lead the way.



   
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 Marshal Loss wrote:

The product description for Jakhals mentions more customisation than I'd anticipated though we'll see how that actually turns out.

Eh. The fact that the stimm backpacks connect to every arm at the wrist kills a lot of the customization and even available poses. They feel unnecessarily constrained by that design element.
From a gear standpoints, you've got 7 with two blades, 1 with a big blade and 1 with a banner and 1 big guy, and that's it.


One thing of note is the gear selection for Berserkers is real simple now.
Chainaxes and chainswords are the same thing - Berzerker chainblades.
2 can have two handed eviscerators
2 can have plasma pistols.
Sergeant can have a plasma pistol. The end.

Hope not too many people had axe and sword models, because that seems right out. As are power fist sergeants, of course.

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The eightbound having options for bare chests is wild. Like why didn't they build the exalted version like that, or the weaker version? You really can't tell the difference the way they are now and it would have been a good way to differentiate them easily
   
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twoseventwo wrote:
 DarkStarSabre wrote:


WE are pretty solid for keeping in theme with regards to appearances and haven't deviated too far from the original aesthetic. We can only hope that DG were a fluke and maybe the EC will keep the similar aesthetics...


What aesthetic do the EC really have to keep? It's actually quite stunning how few "Slaaneshi marine" models GW have ever made. Outside HH, there are:

About ten(?) from Rogue Trader, without much of a coherent aesthetic
The one from the set now called "Traitors of Chaos" which firmly established the look for the other three gods, but not Slaanesh
The original Noise Marine
Those weird 3rd(?) Ed Noise Marines that got very memory-holed very quickly
The upgrade set for plastic CSM, still on sale
The EC Chaos Lord
Lucius
The rereleased Noise Marine

Any more? It's possible I have missed something. But if not, that is six plus an upgrade kit since the 2nd Ed codex?

There are some recurrent elements there (notably speaker grilles in strange places) but as a group they don't even fit with each other that well. The EC are much more of a design blank slate when it comes to a full range compared to the other three. Granted, what they've now done for HH will probably lead the way.


Supposedly the EC all became Noise Marines. I would hope that they don't go down the road of flanerization like with the World Eaters and quietly walk that bit back with the EC rediscovering the pleasures they used to enjoy, to the detriment of their victims.

They could have the EC differ in specializing in Slaanesh's 6 "Circles of Seduction" vices.
   
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Even the World Eater models are an example of how Flanderisation/brain bugs can ruin a range.

1. There was a Khorne Lord on Juggernaut model.
2. We will make a new Khorne Lord on Juggernaut model!
3. The old model had a plasma pistol.
4. The new model will have a plasma pistol.
5. The model can only have a plasma pistol, because no model/no rule.

1. The Berzerker kit is old!
2. We will make a new Berzerker kit!
3. The old Berzerker kit included Chain Axes, Chainswords and Plasma Pistols.
4. The new Berzerker kit will include Chain Axes, Chainswords and Plasma Pistols.
5. Berzerkers can now only have these (plus Malibu Stacey's obligatory new hat/eviscerator), because no model/no rule.

In their attempt to modernise, update and recreate old kits they have created limitations that weren't there before.

I mean look at the sprues:
Spoiler:






How can plastic be so tightly packed, and yet so empty?

And let off the sirens! Trigger the fireworks! Australia has hit triple digits for basic infantry squads!

That's right, what was bordering AUD$100 at $98 for a long time now has finally crossed the Rubicon Stultus, and now Berzerkers are AUD$105! I expect all basic squads of that type to be that price (or higher) from now on.

 blood reaper wrote:
Bit unfortunate they've stripped away the colour from the World Eaters symbols...
One could say that it's emblematic of this release.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


 blood reaper wrote:
Bit unfortunate they've stripped away the colour from the World Eaters symbols...
One could say that it's emblematic of this release.




Mind you, the original Realms of Chaos did say Khorne's worshippers were a serious dour lot as they viewed bloodletting as a serious activity to be done with the utmost solemnity. Similar to the Ork Goffs' and their views on decoration, it seems the only permitted colors were Khorne's favored of red, brass, and black.

Of course then this softened a bit later with World Eater symbols that had a splash of blue and green in the world being eaten, however it seems GW has gone backwards. One could make an argument that maybe this is to show the monomaniacal focus of the World Eaters as they have fallen even deeper into Khorne worship, washing out all color from their lives and increasingly any conscious rational thought as they devolve into frothing madmen....Or it is flanderization
   
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Iracundus wrote:
One could make an argument that maybe this is to show the monomaniacal focus of the World Eaters as they have fallen even deeper into Khorne worship, washing out all color from their lives and increasingly any conscious rational thought as they devolve into frothing madmen....
And yet...

Another Codex afflicted by Chaosistency!

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


And let off the sirens! Trigger the fireworks! Australia has hit triple digits for basic infantry squads!

That's right, what was bordering AUD$100 at $98 for a long time now has finally crossed the Rubicon Stultus, and now Berzerkers are AUD$105! I expect all basic squads of that type to be that price (or higher) from now on.


Yep I'm not real impressed either. That unit of Berserkers (10) equates to $10.50 per Berserker.

Those Eightbound guys are $98 for 3! So like $32.66 ea. They must be powerful in game or really huge or something. Hmm I see they're on 40mm bases. Well I do like them, just not price.

Seems expensive to start a new army now whether it's an infantry heavy army like Astra Militarum or even more elite like Khorne.

What worries me about moving forward from here is that GW normally makes a statement about incoming price rises. So will GW announce a price hike this year? What month do they usually do that? And what will that bring for existing kits as well as new ones?
   
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Iracundus wrote:

Supposedly the EC all became Noise Marines.

That isn't true, though. Even in relatively recent stuff (like the Fabius trilogy), Noise marines are a very specific sub-cult that's almost separate from the rest of the legion, who run the gamut from shades of the old perfectionist duelists to the complete degenerates who've thrown almost every shred of the old ways away.

To be honest, I think that's partly why the EC are stuck at the end of the update cycle. With no simple flanderization to focus on, GW's at a loss of what to do with them. And since they never quite know what to do with the mark of slaanesh (other than defaulting to immune to psychology and/or an initiative bonus) they're effectively chaos marines+ (with both melee and ranged experts), and they don't want or don't have room for that as a concept.

With world eaters, they managed to surpass my worst fears of blandification and just hacking out huge sections of the model range (while keeping it all in the lore section, which is just insult on injury). With EC, they're kind of just kicking the can down the road, because they're at another mental block (the recurring bane of many an elf and eldar faction, so I guess its at least fitting that the old enemy suffers the same fate)

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Voss wrote:
That isn't true, though.
Watch as GW makes it true when EC get Flanderised.

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Anyone else think that this new Khorne release price structure heralds the most expensive starter sets ever for 10th ed in a few months time?
   
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I don't see what's wrong with the sprues of the new kits, it's a solid upgrade to what we had before. Also, those bleeding symbols in the transfer sheet look awesome.
   
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On the bright side, and not strictly WE-related, the Arks Of Omen: Balefleet Battleforce was AUD$40 cheaper than I was expecting. After 25% discount it makes it over 50% off buying the individual items separately,. That's like old Maelstrom Game UK levels of discount.

The Daemon Prince is an eye-watering AUD$135 (I think it's release was delayed in Oz for some reason). Glad I paid $60 for mine.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with the sprues of the new kits...
The loss of Champion options. The loss of any options for HQs.


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I don’t see any skull helm bezerker helmets like the old kit ☹️ bummer

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with the sprues of the new kits...
The loss of Champion options. The loss of any options for HQs.



Or just, the loss of HQs to even have options.
   
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I'll echo the criticism about not showing off Eightbound without the apparently optional armor pieces. There's something really weird going on at GW. They didn't show off Squat exosuit helmets either although they could have easily built a squad member like that, and the alternate (and better) Primaris banner bearer pose wasn't advertised until it showed up on the online store.

You'd think that with ever increasing prices and the decreasing options GW kits have, GW would have an incentive to show off options when they're there.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
What worries me about moving forward from here is that GW normally makes a statement about incoming price rises. So will GW announce a price hike this year? What month do they usually do that? And what will that bring for existing kits as well as new ones?


In the last years the annual price hike kicked in early in March, or maybe very late in February. I think GW gave two or three weeks of advance notice. Since it's GW we're talking about and Guard and World Eaters are a good preview, I expect GW won't skip the general price hike and we'll see an announcement soon.

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Preview vids are up on YT, doesn't look like there is much not already leaked.
   
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Gosport, UK

I’ve just seen the price of the Juggerlord, nearly £40 is insane.
   
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 Insularum wrote:
Preview vids are up on YT, doesn't look like there is much not already leaked.


There's basically nothing to discuss at this point - it's a pretty empty codex. All those people spurning that old leak of the unit selection as fake because the page number was 88 must feel pretty silly now.

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 blood reaper wrote:
 Insularum wrote:
Preview vids are up on YT, doesn't look like there is much not already leaked.


There's basically nothing to discuss at this point - it's a pretty empty codex. All those people spurning that old leak of the unit selection as fake because the page number was 88 must feel pretty silly now.


i am sorry, but this isn't a codex.
This is a joke at most:
no special havocs, no red butchers, 9-in-1-souls-possessed battle royal elites in the wrong numbers half the armored options the list should have non existent.

Ya, honestly WE players are better off if they run the bloody CSM dex and that one already stinks to high heavens for some things.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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I wish Angron (and chaos space marines in general) had the option to include older marks of armor as trophies. I feel like these seasoned warriors would have relics and trophies from the Horus Heresy, but its always "primaris helmet, Cadian helmet, or even just firstborn helmet." Where are the MK 3s on spikes? If you want to use daemon prince angron in HH, he's got a primaris helmet buried in a pile of skulls on his base...
   
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That's because only Primaris make worthy trophies. Firstborn are weak babby Marines for weak babby players. Now buy the latest Primaris Leiutenant!
   
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 blood reaper wrote:
 Insularum wrote:
Preview vids are up on YT, doesn't look like there is much not already leaked.


There's basically nothing to discuss at this point - it's a pretty empty codex. All those people spurning that old leak of the unit selection as fake because the page number was 88 must feel pretty silly now.

The Tabletop Tactics codex review started with nostalgia for the Khorne Daemonkin book from 7th. I took that as a bad sign.

They're more excited for the format changes (all the army rules together, for example) than anything else.


They're excited for the lack of subfactions, and less relics/traits/strats, but the discontent at the loss of models is bleeding through early.

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Voss wrote:
 blood reaper wrote:
 Insularum wrote:
Preview vids are up on YT, doesn't look like there is much not already leaked.


There's basically nothing to discuss at this point - it's a pretty empty codex. All those people spurning that old leak of the unit selection as fake because the page number was 88 must feel pretty silly now.

The Tabletop Tactics codex review started with nostalgia for the Khorne Daemonkin book from 7th. I took that as a bad sign.

They're more excited for the format changes (all the army rules together, for example) than anything else.
The format change is really good - but if you're going for super streamlined you kinda have to make sure that the remaining content is top notch. 8 stratagems and 1 of them is smoke launchers while none of them are extra traits/relics is silly, likewise with WL traits - only 6, 3 locked to named guys, but in reality there are only 2 traits as you either have Angron (because he's probably the best unit in the codex) or Lord Invocatus (because he has the best warlord trait), the other 4 traits may as well not exist. Would have been so easy to copy/paste/update old traits and relics so you end up with a short streamlined list of things worth considering.
   
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I'm wondering if this is just a transition period, and once Emperor's Children come out they will switch to God Books plus Undivided. Then let a God specific army take just less than half of undivided, or an Undivided army take non God Legion god units.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
I’ve just seen the price of the Juggerlord, nearly £40 is insane.


$105 Aus :0 that’s a little steep isn’t it, this supposed to be big battle game.
   
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Voss wrote:
 blood reaper wrote:
 Insularum wrote:
Preview vids are up on YT, doesn't look like there is much not already leaked.


There's basically nothing to discuss at this point - it's a pretty empty codex. All those people spurning that old leak of the unit selection as fake because the page number was 88 must feel pretty silly now.

The Tabletop Tactics codex review started with nostalgia for the Khorne Daemonkin book from 7th. I took that as a bad sign.

They're more excited for the format changes (all the army rules together, for example) than anything else.


They're excited for the lack of subfactions, and less relics/traits/strats, but the discontent at the loss of models is bleeding through early.

Wonder how much GW paid them to be excited about less army rules LMAO
   
 
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