40K RPG WRATH & GLORY

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**BrookM**

From Instagram:

**jonolikespie**

Huh, so are classes actually very slim little templates that just go over the top of race (and possibly several previous classes)?

**Gasmasked Mook**

That snippet reminds me a lot of the old WHFB career system! I wonder if they will have the breadth which that system had

**jonolikespie**

I wonder if it works in a way where say, an Acolyte is the base class, and Crusader and Death Cult Assassin flow off it as later advances?

**Grinshanks**

Looks to me like you will pick your 'species' and then 'classes' can be taken whenever the prerequisites are met.

I also anticipate that 'human' and 'space marine' are separate species.

**warboss**

Are the characters in the Blessings Unheralded drivethrurpg entry all of them? I remember there being some issue before where characters were missing or somesuch and they put more out as a download but I can't seem to find a discrete link in the thread.

**jonolikespie**

There is a sister of battle and Inquisition acolyte who are both downloadable here:
https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-additional-characters-for-free-rpg-day/

If they are in the Blessings Unheralded then you got em all.

**warboss**

Thanks! My search-fu is weak apparently. They are actually included in the Wrath and Glory RPG day file set that was free for a short time.

**jonolikespie**

https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-core-rules-table-of-contents/

Table of contents is up for preview.

Plus in the facebook comments they left this little extra snippet:

**schoon**

That's a lot of 40K RPG goodness!

**Vector Strike**

Uh, where are the Marines specializations? I wanna play a Librarian!

**jonolikespie**

I'm not sure if that's a complete list or not. I'd nope not, otherwise I guess it's coming in a marine campaign book.

**Elemental**

I'm happy to see that vehicle and ship combat have rules. Rogue Trader was always my favourite old 40K games. I was hoping to see some rules for mass combat, but I guess they're less essential.

**jonolikespie**

https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-campaign-cards/

Campaign card previews are up. Clearly this is just an extra little thing you don't need to buy... and reading them I'm fairly certain I won't be.
I've enjoyed campaign cards in D&D before, where it was just little narrative things like declaring that an NPC we meet will have X attitude, for better or worse. These ones look like they are much more mechanically focused and much larger effects.

**warboss**

jonolikespie wrote:

Plus in the facebook comments they left this little extra snippet:

Interesting. Nothing unexpected there except maybe the Inquisitor being at 4; I'd have expected it at 3 personally from a purely in game power perspective (rather than fluff wise). Maybe inquisitors lords higher up...

I'll be curious to see what makes the Adeptus Restarted primaris better mechanically than the adeptus secondus OG marines.

**Tyr13**

jonolikespie wrote:
https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-campaign-cards/

Campaign card previews are up. Clearly this is just an extra little thing you don't need to buy... and reading them I'm fairly certain I won't be.
I've enjoyed campaign cards in D&D before, where it was just little narrative things like declaring that an NPC we meet will have X attitude, for better or worse. These ones look like they are much more mechanically focused and much larger effects.

Yeah, thats just insane. And I cant really see an ingame justification for most of these either. Its just - hey, Ive suddenly got more ammo. Great. **MAGIC**
Definitely not going to use that stuff.

**jonolikespie**

I thought the Flame of the Heart thing was kinda fun looking, a bit of a reference to a classic meme from over on /tg/ and I could totally see scenarios where if you weren't playing a SUPER SERIOUS campaign you could throw a hilarious wrench into the works.
Then I read that there's mechanical benefits for it and I hate that those are there. I don't want to see people playing these cards for mechanical effects.

I think the big thing bugging me about this game is that so much of it is tying narrative stuff to mechanical effects in such a way that it feels like it's holding your hand and forcing you to roleplay, as if it expects without these firm encouragements the players would just sit their silently rolling dice when the DM says so.

**Elemental**

warboss wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:

Plus in the facebook comments they left this little extra snippet:

Interesting. Nothing unexpected there except maybe the Inquisitor being at 4; I'd have expected it at 3 personally from a purely in game power perspective (rather than fluff wise). Maybe inquisitors lords higher up...

I'm curious about why the basic Tech-Priest is level 3, compared to the Psyker at 2, and why the Crusader is 3 vs the Sister at 2.

**Vector Strike**

Elemental wrote:

and why the Crusader is 3 vs the Sister at 2.

Storm Shield, Power Sword and well, training. The Tier 2 SoB is more or less a neophyte, barely inducted into the rank-and-file. The Crusader, on the other hand, is an experienced fighter and has seen stuff a puppy sister cannot even imagine

**ZebioLizard2**

And as people tend to forget, the Crusader tends to be part of a full order with strong, good training.

Kind of like the equivalent to the better Death-Cult Assassin orders, people tend to think of them as weaker due to their tabletop presence but Crusaders are actually pretty strong in the fluff and that's why Inquisitors and others tend to love taking them along in their cells due to their zeal, dedication, and immense training.

**streetsamurai**

what's a desperado?

**ZebioLizard2**

streetsamurai wrote:
what's a desperado?

Tend to be renegade shooters, killers, bounty hunters or the like who really are good at murdering who are more affiliated with 40k's underworld like underhives and the like.

**Albertorius**

streetsamurai wrote:
what's a desperado?

A gunslinger.

**warboss**

Elemental wrote:

I'm curious about why the basic Tech-Priest is level 3, compared to the Psyker at 2, and why the Crusader is 3 vs the Sister at 2.

I can't speak to the crusader but I'm guessing that the tech priest is a 3 because the mechanicum already has a 2 (skitarri). Eventually I'd expect them to further flesh out the various factions at different tiers beyond simply advancing them generically.

**Elemental**

warboss wrote:
Elemental wrote:

I'm curious about why the basic Tech-Priest is level 3, compared to the Psyker at 2, and why the Crusader is 3 vs the Sister at 2.

I can't speak to the crusader but I'm guessing that the tech priest is a 3 because the mechanicum already has a 2 (skitarri). Eventually I'd expect them to further flesh out the various factions at different tiers beyond simply advancing them generically.

The skitarii is a cyborg soldier, not a tech-priest, though. It just seems a bit odd to gate out the "tech guy" role from level 1 and 2 games, rather than have a basic Enginseer or something.

**ZebioLizard2**

Elemental wrote:
warboss wrote:
Elemental wrote:

I'm curious about why the basic Tech-Priest is level 3, compared to the Psyker at 2, and why the Crusader is 3 vs the Sister at 2.

I can't speak to the crusader but I'm guessing that the tech priest is a 3 because the mechanicum already has a 2 (skitarri). Eventually I'd expect them to further flesh out the various factions at different tiers beyond simply advancing them generically.

The skitarii is a cyborg soldier, not a tech-priest, though. It just seems a bit odd to gate out the "tech guy" role from level 1 and 2 games, rather than have a basic Enginseer or something.

Makes sense if you have a Mechanicus/Imperial Guard based expansion/splat/whathaveyou down the line. Where the Enginseer can be lower on the totem pole compared to the specialized and fancier variants.

**warboss**

Elemental wrote:
warboss wrote:
Elemental wrote:

I'm curious about why the basic Tech-Priest is level 3, compared to the Psyker at 2, and why the Crusader is 3 vs the Sister at 2.

I can't speak to the crusader but I'm guessing that the tech priest is a 3 because the mechanicum already has a 2 (skitarri). Eventually I'd expect them to further flesh out the various factions at different tiers beyond simply advancing them generically.

The skitarii is a cyborg soldier, not a tech-priest, though. It just seems a bit odd to gate out the "tech guy" role from level 1 and 2 games, rather than have a basic Enginseer or something.

I agree which is why I referred to the faction overall rather than the hierarchy of the Mars Priesthood; I'm just trying to point out their likely strategy. I'm sure the internet will come up with an appropriate tier 1 mechanicum entry like a servo skull or servitor.

**kurhanik**

warboss wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:

Plus in the facebook comments they left this little extra snippet:

Interesting. Nothing unexpected there except maybe the Inquisitor being at 4; I'd have expected it at 3 personally from a purely in game power perspective (rather than fluff wise). Maybe inquisitors lords higher up...

I'll be curious to see what makes the Adeptus Restarted primaris better mechanically than the adeptus secondus OG marines.

The surprises me the most is that Rogue Traders are only tier 2, I'd expect them up there with Inquisitors at tier 4. After all, don't they usually have a huge number of assets, including at least one huge ship, and a personal army? I'm assuming the Rogue Trader in the book is more focused on the abilities of the individual rather than the resources they can bring to bear, but then, a good chunk of an Inquisitor's power is that they can snap their fingers and have someone disappeared, or call on a unit of Scions to do some wetworks, etc.

**Insurgency Walker**

I'm thinking that their idea of a rogue trader isn't the ship master or actual charter holder but some officer or trade specialist.

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**Bobthehero**

So a veteran gun for hire is a higher tier than a Scion? Weird