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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
What advantage does having multiple banner bearers and musicians give ? In most cases the owning player chooses casualties and the unit only needs one of each to benefit , and benefit isn’t cumulative.

There are a handful of ways your opponent can choose the casualty and they’re more likely going to take out the champion it break coherency if they can do that.

Here's a riddle for you: what happens when your opponent kills your banner?

And more than handful, getting more numerous, every single army can do it

tneva82 wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
What advantage does having multiple banner bearers and musicians give ? In most cases the owning player chooses casualties and the unit only needs one of each to benefit , and benefit isn’t cumulative.

There are a handful of ways your opponent can choose the casualty and they’re more likely going to take out the champion it break coherency if they can do that.

Here's a riddle for you: what happens when your opponent kills your banner?

And more than handful, getting more numerous, every single army can do it

You get to choose which model to remove from the unit, not your opponent, so the last three models in your unit are the banner, musician and leader. And unless you are a Daemon or Skeleton, or Rally, that unit is pretty much fodder.

If your unit can get two different banners, you can stack them, but otherwise there is no riddle at all.

Yes, however sometimes only certain units are in range or can be removed to maintain unit coherency. Furthermore there's a few targeted abilities out there where your opponent can specify which model they are removing.

In general I've built and always stuck to 1 banner and 1 musician per unit. I think units with multiple just look silly in general. Heck for Slaanesh their cavalry have 1 banner, 1 musician, 1 icon and 1 leader. In a basic 5 unit set there's only 1 troop. So if you did a full unit of 20 you'd only have 4 actual troops.

Which again just seems silly visually to me - so I stick to that whole 1 per unit" aspect same as the leader. Sure it might not be optimal but visually it looks right.

 CMLR wrote:
Just watched this video about some rumours (I couldn't find) in Reddit:

GSG vs BoC, updated Bullgors, Doombull and Jabberslythe.

MoN, GSG, OMT and BoC Battletomes.

his list]New SC! Ogor Mawtribes with new hero (a brand new at that).[/list]

New OBR foot hero and archers unit.

New Chaos Warriors, Knights and Chosen.

Yet another Lumineth expansion.

3 new armies: Umbraneth (shadow aelves, maybe Malerion), Dawnbringer Crusaders (Cities of Sigmar redux), Oathbreakers (Chorfs).

Narrative: Azyr tainted.

He himself said that this came from a "trust me, I know someone" post.

Anyone readed the original Reddit post?

Any estimate dates ( this year or something else ) on these releases?

This is really bad news for those. who are bolstering their armies for The Old World.

War-Com news: WD Tome Celestial is for Seraphon.

Flashpoint Clash in Azyr. Rumour starts to coincide.

Seraphon get a replacement for the Primeval Domain a "new" core battalion, named Thunderquake, which is named exactly the same as the previous warscroll battalion, that let you to use 1 hero Stegadon, 2 Stegas/ Basties and 1 Kroxigor/Hunting Pack unit, which also used to let you use one Troglodon in the first Battletome.

Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

I'm going to laugh when it turns out they put three wings on one sprue and 1 on another and cant figure out how to separate the sprues to be sold individually.

 Theophony wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

I'm going to laugh when it turns out they put three wings on one sprue and 1 on another and cant figure out how to separate the sprues to be sold individually.

I'm going to cry when I see the price tag of a dragon retooled complex sprue....

 Theophony wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

I'm going to laugh when it turns out they put three wings on one sprue and 1 on another and cant figure out how to separate the sprues to be sold individually.

That would have been done months ago if the problem was there.

Only rumour I've heard concerns a shortage of the flight stands.

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

Are we talking about the big boys or the riders?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

Are we talking about the big boys or the riders?

He just said dragons without specifying further.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

I'm going to laugh when it turns out they put three wings on one sprue and 1 on another and cant figure out how to separate the sprues to be sold individually.

That would have been done months ago if the problem was there.

Only rumour I've heard concerns a shortage of the flight stands.

Yeah I'd think it more likely that it was overseas printed/cast materials since overseas is a nightmare right now. Containers cost a fortune and are in short supply so anything that misses a boat or is oversold etc... could take months to overcome; even for a firm like GW that has regular overseas shipments sent.

 Overread wrote:

Yeah I'd think it more likely that it was overseas printed/cast materials since overseas is a nightmare right now. Containers cost a fortune and are in short supply so anything that misses a boat or is oversold etc... could take months to overcome; even for a firm like GW that has regular overseas shipments sent.

The plastic used in the clear flight stands, supposedly, was the same as that used for some medical equipment.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Yeah I'd think it more likely that it was overseas printed/cast materials since overseas is a nightmare right now. Containers cost a fortune and are in short supply so anything that misses a boat or is oversold etc... could take months to overcome; even for a firm like GW that has regular overseas shipments sent.

The plastic used in the clear flight stands, supposedly, was the same as that used for some medical equipment.

That one of those random things people just pull out of their ass to make excuses for GW, innit? I just got like 2kg of freshly cast clear plastic sprues, myself.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Yeah I'd think it more likely that it was overseas printed/cast materials since overseas is a nightmare right now. Containers cost a fortune and are in short supply so anything that misses a boat or is oversold etc... could take months to overcome; even for a firm like GW that has regular overseas shipments sent.

The plastic used in the clear flight stands, supposedly, was the same as that used for some medical equipment.

Why in the world would anyone in their right mind decide that was a good idea?

Also that sounds like a dumb excuse.

 DaveC wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rob on the Honest Wargamer mentioned that there is fairly secure rumour there is an issue with the production on the SCE Dragons and they won’t be out in the next month it could possibly be months before they get released.

Are we talking about the big boys or the riders?

He just said dragons without specifying further.

the big ones don't use flightstands, just the small ones do






as for the clear plastic stands and medical equipment rumor... doesn't make sense to me, the only thing that would delay would be the dragon riders, even if they wanted to hold back "the big guys" to go along with them there's no reason they couldn't release the Vanquishers and Annialators. No this is likely a shipping issue,

 lord_blackfang wrote:

That one of those random things people just pull out of their ass to make excuses for GW, innit? I just got like 2kg of freshly cast clear plastic sprues, myself.

That's cool and all, but you're a private consumer not a business...and you're in Europe rather than Brexitland.


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BrianDavion wrote:

as for the clear plastic stands and medical equipment rumor... doesn't make sense to me, the only thing that would delay would be the dragon riders, even if they wanted to hold back "the big guys" to go along with them there's no reason they couldn't release the Vanquishers and Annialators. No this is likely a shipping issue,

We don't actually know what's delayed, beyond there being a "dragons are delayed because of production issues" rumour.

Because we haven't had a week of Stormcast preorders yet. We had book delays to start with, a week of just Kruleboyz preorders, the rest of the 40k Ork preorders, and now a bumper week of Specialist Games stuff going up on Saturday.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

That one of those random things people just pull out of their ass to make excuses for GW, innit? I just got like 2kg of freshly cast clear plastic sprues, myself.

That's cool and all, but you're a private consumer not a business...and you're in Europe rather than Brexitland.

The business I bought them from is a business.

But I'll yield a point for Brexit, the gakshow that keep on gaking.

How many plastic things you ordered? You can get say 200 doesn't mean gw can get 20000.

Well albeit i still doubt that's the reason. Shipping delays more likely.

I agree shipping delays are the issue, hell white dwarf 468 hasn't even released in north America yet

If only there were digital releases, if only...

 CMLR wrote:
If only there were digital releases, if only...

The internet is just a fad

yeah GW absolutely screwed themselves when they STOPPED digital relases JUST BEFORE COVID!

What I wish they stopped are those horrible ball-joint flightstands that are somehow less stable than all previous iterations of the flight stand. I do not for the life of me understand why they went with that and the small flightstand's nightmare cup-joint.

They really would be better off just going with an unusually shaped stand,rather than round, that way models would be much more stable, every iteration they have made since the peg style has been dire.

ok, at this point GW really owes AOS players a god damned answer, we should begin a facebook posting campaign to at least get them to address this long delay

It's hacking me right off personally. I've had something of a go on the facebook pages, but you never get anything other than copy/paste answer.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's hacking me right off personally. I've had something of a go on the facebook pages, but you never get anything other than copy/paste answer.

Because they don't have anything other than a copy/paste answer.

I get that it might make you feel better grousing at them...but they don't know anything more than we do. Rumour is that there's some kind of manufacturing delay on the dragons--which could be anything from boxes not arriving on time, instructions not arriving on time, bases not arriving on time, yadda yadda yadda. Hopefully it gets solved or they just make an announcement about the dragons being late and then push out everything they can. I'm waiting on the Vigilors myself.

I could go with that if they just made an announcement about it. They did it with the Sylvaneth tome, so there's precedent. At the moment it's just fingers in the ears, copy paste answers. It's just irritating.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I could go with that if they just made an announcement about it. They did it with the Sylvaneth tome, so there's precedent. At the moment it's just fingers in the ears, copy paste answers. It's just irritating.

If they need to do an announcement? They likely will. They announced other stuff being delayed this year and last.

It is worth noting though that with the Sylvaneth tome? They didn't have massive unknowns up in the air. It was, something to do with the bilateral shipping arrangements that were having problems at the time.