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The stand is higher, so it won't touch other aircrafts, just shadowed over them.
   
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lost_lilliputian wrote:
Taken from a user post on the B&C.




Not sure that picture says anything, both images look photoshopped to me. The bases of both bombers seem copied (like actually being the same photo of the same base). The Grot Bomm photos are also of the same model.

I've seen a few GW product pictures in the past where different model photos were copied together and not scaled properly.

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TheGoodGerman wrote:
lost_lilliputian wrote:
Taken from a user post on the B&C.




Not sure that picture says anything, both images look photoshopped to me. The bases of both bombers seem copied (like actually being the same photo of the same base). The Grot Bomm photos are also of the same model.

I've seen a few GW product pictures in the past where different model photos were copied together and not scaled properly.


Here's a photo from an earlier WarComm article that'd let you judge the size of it. I think the regular bomber is just a little undersized.
The base in the comparison image is from the mega bomba.

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Yeah, GW seem to like photoshopping models on to bases rather than just photographing them on their base. Maybe it's hard to get the lighting right so they photograph the bases separately. If you look at the store page, Thunderbolts, Fighta Bommers, Marauders, they are all clearly photoshopped on to the same base as the Eavy Bommer, Mega Bommer, etc.

So we're just trusting GW have scaled it correctly when they did their photoshop. They possibly do photograph it with the base then just swap it out in photoshop, in which case they probably do scale it correctly.

That said, eyeballing it, I have a Eavy Bommer sitting on my desk and it looks pretty close to the size shown in those images.


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Sarouan wrote:
Thanks for the picture, indeed it's way bigger !

Now I wonder about the stability of the model with just one peg to make it stand...My own 'eavy and grot bommer tend to lean forward already
My Eavy Bommer just falls off its base, the hole on the model is too big so it doesn't seat properly. It's exceptionally bloody annoying.

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Chopstick wrote:


GLORIOUS!!!

Resin kit though.


It’s sooo pretty
   
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Has there been any news about Chaos or Eldar yet?
   
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 Togusa wrote:
Has there been any news about Chaos or Eldar yet?


No nothing new officially yet. Last year FW (Andy Hoare) mentioned Eldar in a twitch stream so we know they are coming.

However there have been rumours and even a very high chance the next box set will be Eldar vs Chaos. One even optimistically said later this year but given the Covid-19 and associated delays I don't expect that anymore, more realistically next year at this rate. We are still waiting for all the Taros campaign releases like ground assets and remora drones.

Then again, never say never hey. Christmas is coming and last December they released the Grot Bommer. The new preview of the Mega Bommer caught most by surprise and even though no date was mentioned, it's normally a 3 month window from being shown to release.

At the end of the Warcom flight plan they say 'Check back for next month’s Flight Plan for another exciting glimpse into the future of Aeronautica Imperialis'.

So we'll have to wait till then to see what's coming up next.
   
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I desperately want eldar of all flavours to go against my Orks and Imperials.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
I desperately want eldar of all flavours to go against my Orks and Imperials.


I know how it feels!
Last Christmas/New Year break talking to a UK friend I was excited for AI believing Eldar were coming, and he was like all no, sorry Tau are next haha.

Anyway I patiently wait, but with my Eldar colour scheme already set and paints already bought lol
   
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Eldar would be cool, though I think the rules need an overhaul. I know I've harped on about lackluster rules previously but I think Eldar will struggle with the current rules system, as the rules don't favour fast maneouvrable aircraft without much firepower or structure.
   
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Lazy people already complaint about game being too complicated (when they played X-wings). Imagine SG adding one more pages of rule, people's brain would melt.

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Chopstick wrote:
Lazy people already complaint about game being too complicated (when they played X-wings). Imagine SG adding one more pages of rule, people's brain would melt.


I’ve never heard anyone complain AI is too complicated. It’s one of the most basic games I’ve ever played.

But it’s not a question of complexity, it’s a question of how the game plays. Aircraft are too manoeuvrable, which devalues planes that specialise in manoeuvrability, and there’s too much bias toward firepower and structure points as you see games just become shoot outs.
   
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It's right here in this very thread. You gotta read this thread more.

Anyway, a chance for an overhaul is probably 0%, but i'll put in 0,1% because nothing is impossible. It isn't that hard to convert the current version back to the previous ed, but for me an overhaul need something more exciting. Like formation, named squadron rule, special equip, and possibly special manuever for some aircrafts.

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Chopstick wrote:
It's right here in this very thread. You gotta read this thread more.
Seriously? Got a link? Coz that's bloody insane, it's one of the simplest games you could imagine. I can't imagine the person who said that had actually tried to play a game more than once.

Unless they were talking about things that were broken in the rules, as there were some rules in the initial release that either didn't make sense, had multiple interpretations or were just worded far more complicated than they needed to be. Some of them were fixed with the FAQ / errata, but I haven't checked if all of them have.

Anyway, a chance for an overhaul is probably 0%, but i'll put in 0,1% because nothing is impossible. It isn't that hard to convert the current version back to the previous ed, but for me an overhaul need something more exciting. Like formation, named squadron rule, special equip, and possibly special manuever for some aircrafts.
The problem is, the game is just not all that compelling or engrossing. If they don't do something about it I think the game is just going to die off. Something like blood bowl has its flaws, but I had gotten a lot of entertaining games out of it before I started to notice the chinks, but the flaws in AI are so apparent I noticed them within 2 games.

I'm struggling to think of anyone who has commented they really fell in love with the game. Most people who collect it seem to love the models and think the game itself is somewhere between decent and junk.

Sure, I could house rule it back to the original AI rules, but the problem with that sort of crap is trying to get a community going. The company selling the game needs to make solid rules a community develops and then the community can tweak it to their liking.

It's frustrating because the original AI, IMO, had relatively solid rules, but (again IMO) failed largely because it was a FW exclusive that suffered from lack of advertising and mainstream appeal that comes from games released by GW proper. Now we have a game released by GW proper with nice models and plastic kits but they fecked up the rules.


I don't think it's impossible for them to change it, as there currently is no definitive rulebook, it's just rules in campaign books. They could write a proper rulebook and release it separately with updated rules.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I don't think it's impossible for them to change it, as there currently is no definitive rulebook, it's just rules in campaign books. They could write a proper rulebook and release it separately with updated rules.


The Taros book has actually updated rules in comparison to the Rynn one, since they put all the core rules in every book.

Releasing campaigns is just how they do it with AI so far. They put a background and release the aircrafts involved in that background.

What really drags AI down is the lack of different factions with enough choices so far. It's too slow to release them.

I would rather count on Eldar vs Space Marines for the next campaign, so that they keep having an imperium faction as the protagonist in their AI narrative, since they pretty much covered the main aicrafts from imperial navy and Astra Militarum.

I just hope they'll keep releasing plastic kits and not switch the entire production to FW resin because it's not selling enough. FW resin sucks.

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The lack of factions is tough one, because overall they have released a lot of kits, I don't think they can release a hell of a lot faster.

An approach they could have taken is just to release 1 fighter for every faction and 1 bomber for the key factions, or maybe have done some dual kits. That way they could have gotten a broader range of factions out without needing to invest more heavily.

For example, did Orks really NEED a heavy bomber in wave 1, or maybe they could have gotten away with just the Fighta and Fighta Bommer and used the machining/casting time to release an Eldar kit instead.

I do wonder if the approach they've taken is because they assumed the people who would buy it are collectors, therefore will buy everything if it's spread out enough. I know I'll probably end up buying a couple of kits from every faction when they're drip fed like this.

Maybe they felt they couldn't beat it, but I think GW should have been aiming to dethrone X-wing, as I think X-wing has been slowing a bit in recent times and a fresh game could have maybe drawn some players away.


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GW didn't make this game,.

Warhammer Underworld is the one GW made and pitched against X-wing, with the claim to be "The Ultimate competitive game". All (not one-off) pvp games made by GW have tournament support with special prize kit send to stores, These game made by FW don't have that.

With Heavy Bommer/Grot Bommer, plastic ork is pretty much done for the season. With 2 factions left rest assured they'd get the same treatment with 3,4 kits released quickly for their factions, no need to make the poor Ork players wait a year just to get the heavy bommer, meanwhile Imperial player is having fun with their 3 kits and more to come.

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Chopstick wrote:
GW didn't make this game,.

Warhammer Underworld is the one GW made and pitched against X-wing, with the claim to be "The Ultimate competitive game". All (not one-off) pvp games made by GW have tournament support with special prize kit send to stores, These game made by FW don't have that.


Obviously GW didn't try and pitch this game against X-Wing, my point is they should have. The rules as they were released didn't even feel like they've been playtested by anyone outside the design team, let alone designed to play like a competitive game.

But it wasn't really "ultimate competitive" I was thinking about when I was talking about it taking on X-Wing, I more meant a game that functioned well enough to be a game in it's own right (i.e. people buy it to play, not just because the models look cool).

With Heavy Bommer/Grot Bommer, plastic ork is pretty much done for the season. With 2 factions left rest assured they'd get the same treatment with 3,4 kits released quickly for their factions, no need to make the poor Ork players wait a year just to get the heavy bommer, meanwhile Imperial player is having fun with their 3 kits and more to come.


But not everyone plays Orks or Imperials. So the "need" to make poor Ork players wait a year is so that Eldar, Chaos, etc players actually have something to play with in the meantime.

Personally I don't care too much either way myself, because Orks and Imperials were always my favourite factions anyway (followed by Eldar then Tau), but it seems sooo many people have said they'd get into it if only X faction was released, and having a solid player base at launch IMO was really important.

I'd be curious to know how popular the game is in reality, I'm only guessing from what I read on forums and what I've seen at the local shops / clubs that it hasn't really taken off.

With 2 factions left...
Have GW said there's only going to be two more factions? The original game only had two more, but I figured they'd try and milk it more by releasing Necrons, Dark Eldar and maybe even Tyranids (not to mention the typical "50 Shades of Imperium").

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Gotta read more, 5 factions were funded, there are 2 left. And there're 3 factions left from the original book.

Also they aren't just gonna throw out a bunch of new faction kit without book or big box.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
Gotta read more, 5 factions were funded, there are 2 left. And there're 3 factions left from the original book.
Unless I missed something (maybe I did) back when the game first released they said 5 factions were already designed. Nothing about there only being 5 factions, or "funding" for 5 factions, that's just what they had already designed at the time.

Are you counting Space Marines as a separate faction when you mean 3 are left from the original book? I usually just bundle Space Marines in with Imperium, seeing as how they only had the Thunderhawks in the old rules, they weren't really designed to be run by themselves.

Also they aren't just gonna throw out a bunch of new faction kit without book or big box.
Well of course they'd have to release rules in a book. The original AI had all factions in a single book, and when the expansion book came out it focused on Imperium and Tau, but still released new rules for the other factions (the Eavy Bommer didn't come out until the expansion in the original game, they could have done the same this time).

It's just a different approach they could have taken to satiate the fans who don't care about Imperials or Orks.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are you counting Space Marines as a separate faction when you mean 3 are left from the original book? I usually just bundle Space Marines in with Imperium, seeing as how they only had the Thunderhawks in the old rules, they weren't really designed to be run by themselves.


One of the early designer Twitch interviews mentioned Space Marines as one of the possible 5 factions. It was an offhand comment, so I wouldn't call it definite, but a strong possibility.
   
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After a decade they manage to make a bunch of aircrafts for Space Marine. So yes the faction won't be just a Thunderhawk meme.

In fact the Xiphon is the best fighter produced by the Imperium.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I'd be curious to know how popular the game is in reality, I'm only guessing from what I read on forums and what I've seen at the local shops / clubs that it hasn't really taken off.


:-) Only GW will know if it's 'taken off', 'stalled' or 'crashed and burned'. And that depends the on the return they expected a specialist game, with a more sporadic release cycle. Certainly the Wings of Vengeance wave must have been encouraging enough for the Mega-Bomber to be produced so it's probably got enough 'thrust' to make it to the third wave (Eldar v ????). Will they call it quits after that? Who can say? Best guess is that FW keep producing the odd plane here and there for a while.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
After a decade they manage to make a bunch of aircrafts for Space Marine. So yes the faction won't be just a Thunderhawk meme.

In fact the Xiphon is the best fighter produced by the Imperium.


Isn't the Xiphon a 30k aircraft though?

I never really liked the idea of Space Marines getting a lot of aircraft, I liked the fluff where after the HH they limited individual branches of the Imperium from becoming all powerful, so Space Marines wouldn't have an air force but would have to rely on the Imperial Navy for support.

Also GW's Space Marine aircraft all look ugly as all hell The FW stuff looks okay, but I figured that was just 30k aircraft.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I'd be curious to know how popular the game is in reality, I'm only guessing from what I read on forums and what I've seen at the local shops / clubs that it hasn't really taken off.


:-) Only GW will know if it's 'taken off', 'stalled' or 'crashed and burned'. And that depends the on the return they expected a specialist game, with a more sporadic release cycle. Certainly the Wings of Vengeance wave must have been encouraging enough for the Mega-Bomber to be produced so it's probably got enough 'thrust' to make it to the third wave (Eldar v ????). Will they call it quits after that? Who can say? Best guess is that FW keep producing the odd plane here and there for a while.


Right at the start with Wings of Vengeance things seemed promising, but then the hype seemed to die off really quickly. Taros unfortunately launched in the middle of the pandemic.

If we get some Eldar, personally I'll be happy for myself as I can just wrap up my collection of tiny planes even if the game dies after that... it'll just be sad because I always felt AI had real potential with those old FW rules just needing some minor tweaking.

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Chopstick wrote:


GLORIOUS!!!

Resin kit though.


Up for preorder this coming Friday. Any thoughts on price?
   
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£60 I reckon
   
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That mega bommer looks like a boss from Capcom's Varth: Operation Thunderstorm. Which is awesome!

Casual gamer, casual fun! 
   
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93USD for the big boi.

I'll take 2 Heavy bommer + 6 Dakkajet instead with that money.

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It really doesn't look that bigger than the 'eavy bommer, to be honest. Just wider, hulk looks very close.

I also have concerns about the "bespoke flying stem which allows it to sit higher than other models." Mainly because all pictures so far doesn't show it higher as others airships. Is it on a regular flying stem, or is the difference of height actually negligeable ?

At that price, that's a bit too many questions to ask to blind buy before having returns from buying customers.

We know from experience pictures from FW can be sometimes misleading...I'm looking at you, Vultures without missiles.

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