Conspiracy Theorists - a ‘but why?’ Discussion.

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**Prestor Jon**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
If I had to choose between 'censorship' of factually untrue statements presented as truth or a violent revolt I think I'd prefer the former.

If we’re going to post false dilemmas I’d rather have a nice bacon cheeseburger than an asteroid impact that wipes out humanity.

**tneva82**

Jerram wrote:
Notice how its usually the left on this board who starts the political crap throwing.

When 47% of the voters including 30% of democrat's think some hanky panky went on, the dumbest possible response the political class can use is STFU plebes, yet that's what they've been doing.

(https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/most_say_mail_in_voting_worked_but_47_say_fraud_likely)

What should be done? Claims have been investigated and nothing done. Only thing different that could be done is hand trump presldency.

And where 30 comes? Not on page. 47 doesn't surprise. About half the voters are rep's who believe it's rigged if trump didnt win.

**r_squared**

Prestor Jon wrote:
r_squared wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
r_squared wrote:
Actually cannot believe what I'm seeing.

I never thought I would see Americans advocating to overthrow their own democracy based on a bunch of easily disproved and debunked lies and conspiracy theories.

I feel that its getting closer to the time to start showing a lot less tolerance of "harmless" bs.

Right, because freedom of speech is clearly the problem here. We better had some more rights to the list while we’re at it just to make sure nobody even thinks about the need to reform antiquated election laws. Gotta male sure that any hyperbolic narrative the media churns out is parroted by as many people as possible.

I'm guessing you're not referring to the "hyperbolic narrative" of NTD, OAN and Fox then?

I think you have a problem when "freedom of speech advocates" are wandering around the houses of your democracy and attempting to overthrow legitimate democratic process advocated by the sitting President.

I don’t know exactly which narratives those channels are promoting because I don’t have cable and don’t use their websites. From what I can gather Fox and OAN (I honestly don’t know what NTD is) have been pushing the same tired Democrats are Socialists, no wait, they’re Communists pretending to be Socialists who are taking over the Democratic Party and soon they’ll take over America and the. THE WORLD. They’re funded by a cabal of bakers that eat babies and gold leaf while worshipping pagan gods on an island, not Epstein’s Island they only go there on vacation. We have to stop them before they burn down all the churches and murder everyone who has an American flag in their yard or has attended a college football game which makes this election and every election an EXISTENTIAL THREAT!!!1!! If the Republicans don’t when every private business will be taxed out of existence to the point where Jeff Bezos will have to fly commercial. If we lose the election we’ll have exhausted the soap box and the ballot box so we’ll be forced to open up the cartridge box and water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and by tyrants we mean anyone you didn’t vote for and also anyone you did vote for but who really don’t love the constitution enough.
That hyperbolic narrative is also terrible. Sure it’s amusing listening to conservative talk shows try to convince long time listeners that it’s actually not time for an armed revolt, the chair is NOT against the wall and John is totes clean shaven. Amusing but still not smart.
It’s not good when for profit media corporations chase ratings instead of actual news.

The specific narrative I was referring to in my previous post was the pearl clutching narrative that the videos of middle aged chubby people walking around the Capitol rotunda waving flags and shouting is the the darkest day in our national history even though for some reason those protestors were allowed to literally move barricades out the way and walk through the front door while Congress is in session. Protestors can get tear gassed and beaten by cops all summer long but somehow protestors can walk right through the front door into the Capitol and security could do nothing. Storming the Capitol wasn’t a smart move, people are going to get arrested and they really haven’t affected anything other than driving up weekday ratings and website views.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/capitol-protests-live-trump-dc-riots-shooting-b1783488.html

I would respectfully suggest that it's a bit more serious than a few chubby people wandering about. Apparently a woman has been shot and killed.

**Prestor Jon**

tneva82 wrote:
Jerram wrote:
Notice how its usually the left on this board who starts the political crap throwing.

When 47% of the voters including 30% of democrat's think some hanky panky went on, the dumbest possible response the political class can use is STFU plebes, yet that's what they've been doing.

(https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/most_say_mail_in_voting_worked_but_47_say_fraud_likely)

What should be done? Claims have been investigated and nothing done. Only thing different that could be done is hand trump presldency.

And where 30 comes? Not on page. 47 doesn't surprise. About half the voters are rep's who believe it's rigged if trump didnt win.

Which investigations are you referring to? We don’t audit elections. We don’t audit the DoD or the Fed either. There’s very little actual transparency in the government although the government audits citizens and businesses all the time. We have recounts but recounting bad data is t an investigations. Lawsuits have been thrown out and admitted irregularities have been dismissed because the numbers involved weren’t enough to change the outcome but that doesn’t disprove that the irregularities occurred. Vote counts in elections in the US routinely decline as final tabulations are done. That should never happen. If the election is conducted properly you should never see vote counts decline. Improper ballots shouldn’t get into the system and be counted and declining vote totals is an admission that fraudulent votes got into the system. Vote totals could increase if more ballots are found but a candidate should never lose votes that have been cast. Of course we don’t audit elections and we never get the allegedly totally accurate results for weeks or months after the election is over. There’s no reason to object to an audit of an election, it’s always in everyone’s best interest for the process to have integrity and accuracy.

**insaniak**

OK, folks, this is turning into a de facto politics thread, which is obviously not ideal. I'm going to lock it down for the moment. The thread will be re-opened once we've given it a spring-clean.