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Does anyone feel like doing Mass Warden Bombs would be effective now? Dropping 10 Wardens with spears into the back line and letting them bully the crap out of everything? I am honestly desperate to come up with a way to use these 10 wardens my wife bought me 2 years ago, that are still in plastic. Do you think GW would let me do a 1-1 swap?
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does anyone feel like doing Mass Warden Bombs would be effective now? Dropping 10 Wardens with spears into the back line and letting them bully the crap out of everything? I am honestly desperate to come up with a way to use these 10 wardens my wife bought me 2 years ago, that are still in plastic. Do you think GW would let me do a 1-1 swap?
You can generally do returns for equal or greater value of product at a GW if the product is sealed, yeah.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne! 
   
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So what are your thought on allies? I donĀ“t like the forge world models, which is limiting my custodes options a bit. But I was thinking that it might be worth adding 2 Amiger Helverins to my rooster.

I have also been playing around with the thought of using a block of wardens, now that the troops requirement is gone. For 5 more points you get one additional attack, + fnp and bodyguard.
   
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I feel like a warden blob makes for a really effective screen, with Jetbikes, and SM allied Terminator squads. Close combat or shooty. I'd love to try it but I never owned any SM Terminators and I can't really "counts as" with the Primaris Assault squads I own.
   
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 JNAProductions wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does anyone feel like doing Mass Warden Bombs would be effective now? Dropping 10 Wardens with spears into the back line and letting them bully the crap out of everything? I am honestly desperate to come up with a way to use these 10 wardens my wife bought me 2 years ago, that are still in plastic. Do you think GW would let me do a 1-1 swap?
You can generally do returns for equal or greater value of product at a GW if the product is sealed, yeah.


Hi guys,

It "seems" that a Custodes was Top1 at GT Australia Ark of Omens (this weekend ?) with this list:

Spoiler:

Player: Liam Hackett

Uprising Adeliade: 2023

Factions: Adeptus Custodes

Secondaries (given up)

Assasinate: 13 points (including warlord)

No prisoners: 85 wounds (9 points)

BID: 2

Nil other




++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Elites

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Detachment Type / Shield Host: Adeptus Custodes, Solar Watch

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Aleya [4 PL, 75pts]

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [10 PL, 175pts]: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Tip of the Spear

Trajann Valoris [8 PL, 200pts]: 1. Master of Martial Strategy, 2. Champion of the Imperium, Stratagem: Warlord Trait. (+1 CP if warlord, cancels out cost of warlord trait stratagem)

+ Elites +

Allarus Custodians [9 PL, 180pts]
. 3x Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia: 3x Balistus Grenade Launcher, 3x Castellan Axe, 3x Misericordia

Allarus Custodians [3 PL, 60pts]
. Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia

Allarus Custodians [3 PL, 60pts]
. Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia

Custodian Wardens [25 PL, 500pts]
. 10x Warden w/ Guardian Spear & Misericordia: 10x Guardian Spear, 10x Misericordia

Custodian Wardens [25 PL, 500pts]
. 10x Warden w/ Guardian Spear & Misericordia: 10x Guardian Spear, 10x Misericordia

Vexilus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [6 PL, -2CP, 115pts]: (Solar Watch): Sally Forth, Castellan's Mark, Misericordia, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: The Emperor's Heroes, Vexilla Magnifica

+ Fast Attack +

Witchseekers [3 PL, 60pts]: Witchseeker Sister Superior. Witchseeker flamer.
. 4x Witchseeker: 4x Witchseeker Flamer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Anathema Psykana Rhino [4 PL, 75pts]

++ Total: [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++


Really different list !

   
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So I'd give dollars to doughnuts the Warden bomb was a red herring in this match. Anyone got deets on how he actually played it?
   
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Imperial guard are suddenly really popular at my gaming group.... Go figure. And suprise suprise they're all playing born soldiers, russes and kasyrkins.

Anyone have good tips for dealing with those high damage weapons and auto wounding everything?
   
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Mad_Proctologist wrote:
Imperial guard are suddenly really popular at my gaming group.... Go figure. And suprise suprise they're all playing born soldiers, russes and kasyrkins.

Anyone have good tips for dealing with those high damage weapons and auto wounding everything?


Healthy application of https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-WW/Legio-custodes-heavy-dreadnought-body-2017 This, and some of our tanks out to outright make them turn into the brown pants legion.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Mad_Proctologist wrote:
Imperial guard are suddenly really popular at my gaming group.... Go figure. And suprise suprise they're all playing born soldiers, russes and kasyrkins.

Anyone have good tips for dealing with those high damage weapons and auto wounding everything?


Healthy application of https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-WW/Legio-custodes-heavy-dreadnought-body-2017 This, and some of our tanks out to outright make them turn into the brown pants legion.


No. Sry, but that's terrible advice. New Guard will happily remove any dreadnoughts you put in front of them. A unit of kasrkin with their wombo combo can take down 2-3 dreads on their own...and they don't even need super lucky dice for that.

Putting heavy vehicles or dreads in front of new Guard or Votann is generally a bad idea.

Take infantry, play the mission and hope that there is enough terrain on the board.
   
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And hope GW will errata that kaskrin stratagem to max 6 CP period and not per target unit.

2023 painted/bought: 143/140 
   
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Bergen

I do believe that imperial knights has a similarly worded relic or warlordtrait.

BLESSED BY THE SACRISTANS

This warlord bears a token of favour from Sacristans in the form of an artificer weapon of unrivalled quality.

Each time this WARLORD makes a ranged attack, on an unmodified wound roll of 6 that attack inflicts 1 mortal wound on the target in addition to the normal damage (to a maximum of 6 mortal wounds per unit per phase).

   
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 Niiai wrote:
I do believe that imperial knights has a similarly worded relic or warlordtrait.

BLESSED BY THE SACRISTANS

This warlord bears a token of favour from Sacristans in the form of an artificer weapon of unrivalled quality.

Each time this WARLORD makes a ranged attack, on an unmodified wound roll of 6 that attack inflicts 1 mortal wound on the target in addition to the normal damage (to a maximum of 6 mortal wounds per unit per phase).


The main difference being that the knight doesn't have the volume of shots a unit of kasrkin can pump out, can't get full re-rolls to hit and wound and doesn't get auto wounds on 5s to hit.

Kasrkin are just straight up busted and everyone knows that, but guard has plenty other tools to reliably remove dreads and tanks.
   
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GWs gotta sell those new sculpts. Don't expect a change any time soon, unless they start getting 70% WR.
   
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 thori wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does anyone feel like doing Mass Warden Bombs would be effective now? Dropping 10 Wardens with spears into the back line and letting them bully the crap out of everything? I am honestly desperate to come up with a way to use these 10 wardens my wife bought me 2 years ago, that are still in plastic. Do you think GW would let me do a 1-1 swap?
You can generally do returns for equal or greater value of product at a GW if the product is sealed, yeah.


Hi guys,

It "seems" that a Custodes was Top1 at GT Australia Ark of Omens (this weekend ?) with this list:

Spoiler:

Player: Liam Hackett

Uprising Adeliade: 2023

Factions: Adeptus Custodes

Secondaries (given up)

Assasinate: 13 points (including warlord)

No prisoners: 85 wounds (9 points)

BID: 2

Nil other




++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Elites

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Detachment Type / Shield Host: Adeptus Custodes, Solar Watch

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Aleya [4 PL, 75pts]

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [10 PL, 175pts]: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Tip of the Spear

Trajann Valoris [8 PL, 200pts]: 1. Master of Martial Strategy, 2. Champion of the Imperium, Stratagem: Warlord Trait. (+1 CP if warlord, cancels out cost of warlord trait stratagem)

+ Elites +

Allarus Custodians [9 PL, 180pts]
. 3x Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia: 3x Balistus Grenade Launcher, 3x Castellan Axe, 3x Misericordia

Allarus Custodians [3 PL, 60pts]
. Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia

Allarus Custodians [3 PL, 60pts]
. Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia

Custodian Wardens [25 PL, 500pts]
. 10x Warden w/ Guardian Spear & Misericordia: 10x Guardian Spear, 10x Misericordia

Custodian Wardens [25 PL, 500pts]
. 10x Warden w/ Guardian Spear & Misericordia: 10x Guardian Spear, 10x Misericordia

Vexilus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [6 PL, -2CP, 115pts]: (Solar Watch): Sally Forth, Castellan's Mark, Misericordia, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: The Emperor's Heroes, Vexilla Magnifica

+ Fast Attack +

Witchseekers [3 PL, 60pts]: Witchseeker Sister Superior. Witchseeker flamer.
. 4x Witchseeker: 4x Witchseeker Flamer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Anathema Psykana Rhino [4 PL, 75pts]

++ Total: [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++


Really different list !






I love the list. Im a footslogger at heart with custodes and have even played 3x10 guards builds in the past, but honestly, I dont really understand how this list can win anything big.

So you advance and charge ONE of the blobs, right? and then what? The list has no shooting what so ever, its locked to like two maybe three areas where it can do stuff and just seems pretty easy to dance around and just shoot off the board.

what am I missing?



This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/01/24 13:10:19


 
   
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Scoundrel80 wrote:
 thori wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does anyone feel like doing Mass Warden Bombs would be effective now? Dropping 10 Wardens with spears into the back line and letting them bully the crap out of everything? I am honestly desperate to come up with a way to use these 10 wardens my wife bought me 2 years ago, that are still in plastic. Do you think GW would let me do a 1-1 swap?
You can generally do returns for equal or greater value of product at a GW if the product is sealed, yeah.


Hi guys,

It "seems" that a Custodes was Top1 at GT Australia Ark of Omens (this weekend ?) with this list:

Spoiler:

Player: Liam Hackett

Uprising Adeliade: 2023

Factions: Adeptus Custodes

Secondaries (given up)

Assasinate: 13 points (including warlord)

No prisoners: 85 wounds (9 points)

BID: 2

Nil other




++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Elites

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Detachment Type / Shield Host: Adeptus Custodes, Solar Watch

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Aleya [4 PL, 75pts]

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [10 PL, 175pts]: Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Tip of the Spear

Trajann Valoris [8 PL, 200pts]: 1. Master of Martial Strategy, 2. Champion of the Imperium, Stratagem: Warlord Trait. (+1 CP if warlord, cancels out cost of warlord trait stratagem)

+ Elites +

Allarus Custodians [9 PL, 180pts]
. 3x Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia: 3x Balistus Grenade Launcher, 3x Castellan Axe, 3x Misericordia

Allarus Custodians [3 PL, 60pts]
. Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia

Allarus Custodians [3 PL, 60pts]
. Allarus w/ Castellan Axe & Misericordia

Custodian Wardens [25 PL, 500pts]
. 10x Warden w/ Guardian Spear & Misericordia: 10x Guardian Spear, 10x Misericordia

Custodian Wardens [25 PL, 500pts]
. 10x Warden w/ Guardian Spear & Misericordia: 10x Guardian Spear, 10x Misericordia

Vexilus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [6 PL, -2CP, 115pts]: (Solar Watch): Sally Forth, Castellan's Mark, Misericordia, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: The Emperor's Heroes, Vexilla Magnifica

+ Fast Attack +

Witchseekers [3 PL, 60pts]: Witchseeker Sister Superior. Witchseeker flamer.
. 4x Witchseeker: 4x Witchseeker Flamer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Anathema Psykana Rhino [4 PL, 75pts]

++ Total: [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++


Really different list !






I love the list. Im a footslogger at heart with custodes and have even played 3x10 guards builds in the past, but honestly, I dont really understand how this list can win anything big.

So you advance and charge ONE of the blobs, right? and then what? The list has no shooting what so ever, its locked to like two maybe three areas where it can do stuff and just seems pretty easy to dance around and just shoot off the board.

what am I missing?





That event was in Australia. Apart from being known to have a bit of a wonky meta, I'd take a step back an wait a little bit until the arks of omen meta settles before making any final judgments on what lists are good now.

Maybe with obsec and the strat-nerfs reverted we're still among the top contenders when the dust settles, but imo it's a bit too early to tell.
   
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id say the 6x3 sagittarums with 3 calladius and EC rerolls seem amazingly strong now that ap1 makes a bit of sense again.
   
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one more thing: could someone please tell me exactly where the pretorian plate stands as of right now? how does it work? I've lost track of the nerf-reverse nerf track : )
   
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Scoundrel80 wrote:
one more thing: could someone please tell me exactly where the pretorian plate stands as of right now? how does it work? I've lost track of the nerf-reverse nerf track : )


Terminator captains unfortunately didn't get their obsec back as far as I understand. They are also eclipsed heavily by Trajann, the Bike Captain and to a lesser extent by the Blade Champ.
You can run the combo and do some cool stuff with it, but it comes with the opportunity cost of not running a better character.
   
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Tiberias wrote:
Scoundrel80 wrote:
one more thing: could someone please tell me exactly where the pretorian plate stands as of right now? how does it work? I've lost track of the nerf-reverse nerf track : )


Terminator captains unfortunately didn't get their obsec back as far as I understand. They are also eclipsed heavily by Trajann, the Bike Captain and to a lesser extent by the Blade Champ.
You can run the combo and do some cool stuff with it, but it comes with the opportunity cost of not running a better character.


Terminator captains should have obsec, they are infantry. anathema psykana troops is so the rhino doesnt get obsec.

- ADEPTUS CUSTODES INFANTRY and ANATHEMA PSYKANA Troops in ADEPTUS CUSTODES Detachments gain the Objective Secured ability
   
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terennNash wrote:

Terminator captains should have obsec, they are infantry. anathema psykana troops is so the rhino doesnt get obsec.

- ADEPTUS CUSTODES INFANTRY and ANATHEMA PSYKANA Troops in ADEPTUS CUSTODES Detachments gain the Objective Secured ability

They also need CORE, which captains don't have.
   
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but I was thinking: how do the rules of the plate work now? is it a heroic intervention, when do you fight, how does the move work basically? it doesn't work as written anymore, right?
   
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Scoundrel80 wrote:
but I was thinking: how do the rules of the plate work now? is it a heroic intervention, when do you fight, how does the move work basically? it doesn't work as written anymore, right?


So once per game in heroic intervene phase you aren't in combat but teleport within 3" of friendly unit and in engagement range to enemy? Guess you could try to argue it isn't heroic intervene denying opponent chance to attack you but that's stretching it. In any case you do it and you get to attack in any case.

As for when when you would normally fight.

Don't see what has changed regarding that relic.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2023/01/26 13:00:00


2023 painted/bought: 143/140 
   
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Allarus are in a wierd spot right now. They waffle between garbage and niche garbage. I'd rather tak Aquillon every day and twice on Monday. Or, for the points, Wardens. They have no business costing 60ppm. All their best stuff is tied to CP. Wardens with Axes or spears are now basically superior per cost.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Allarus are in a wierd spot right now. They waffle between garbage and niche garbage. I'd rather tak Aquillon every day and twice on Monday. Or, for the points, Wardens. They have no business costing 60ppm. All their best stuff is tied to CP. Wardens with Axes or spears are now basically superior per cost.


No, they are not. They have good value as a very annoying deepstrike threat when played as singletons and for completing behind enemy lines. A single allarus is also a good backfield objective holder that is quite annoying to remove when in cover.
So yeah, allarus are actually fine, aquilon have better weapons but are overcosted in my opinion.
   
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Denison, Iowa

Allarus for single-model annoyance, Aquilon for 3-man units with a purpose.
   
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Hi guys,

I have a really hard time now versus Iron hands of my friend.
He plays 3 Redemptor, 2 * 10 reactor squads, 3 devastator full melta with 1 storm speeder. There are too many melta everywhere.

How to counter this kind of heavy fire list ?

I tried previous solar watch list but with few success...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/02/05 09:54:25


 
   
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 thori wrote:
Hi guys,

I have a really hard time now versus Iron hands of my friend.
He plays 3 Redemptor, 2 * 10 reactor squads, 3 devastator full melta with 1 storm speeder. There are too many melta everywhere.

How to counter this kind of heavy fire list ?

I tried previous solar watch list but with few success...


I feel you, I run an pretty much all bikes list, and I can't keep my guys alive in the current Meta. SM die a lot easier now to massed low cost shooting, so you MIGHT try loading up on spears and fast attack shooting...Our spears are basically death to most cheap infantry. I've heard good things about blobs of wardens getting 20-30 shots off with spears.
   
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What are your experience feedback guys versus Iron hands or heavy fire list on Ark Of Omen meta ?
   
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Asstarts can throw such ungodly powerful dakka right now I'd just pack up and leave if my casual opponent showed up with IH. If you are in a tournament meta situation, just play for time and pray for them to make mistakes.
   
 
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