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They have fancy names... Aint that reason enough?

 Red Corsair wrote:

bobafett012 wrote:
I've seen a bunch of posts saying that the points costs are model only no wargear, but GW just answered this question

Q: Do weapons the unit starts with in its description have to be purchased separately for matched play, or are the points included in the cost of the model?

A: All models come with a standard weapon, and those are covered in the points cost of the base model.

For example, Sanguinary guard come with Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword and frag and krak grenades all for 22 points a model. You can add or upgrade weapons for more but 22 is for the model with default equipment.

No, in the rules it says all models count as having a base weapon for combat. I think this is whats causing confusion, otherwise those charts make NO SENSE. I mean do you really think a hellblaster should be a point less then an intercessor?

It was confusion. Ignore the error.

Caederes wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Via Facebook (IDK if said yet)

"Warhammer 40,000 All models come with a standard weapon, and those are covered in the points cost of the base model."

They are so obviously wrong that I'm actually really worried what it could mean for the more "casual" players that will see that and take it as gospel. We know it's not correct but a lot of people will just take their word for it.

This is why it makes no sense for one person to do a Q&A who isn't even part of rules development.

A large portion of what he has answered in these Q&A sessions has been flat out wrong.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Via Facebook (IDK if said yet)

"Warhammer 40,000 All models come with a standard weapon, and those are covered in the points cost of the base model."

They are so obviously wrong that I'm actually really worried what it could mean for the more "casual" players that will see that and take it as gospel. We know it's not correct but a lot of people will just take their word for it.

This is why it makes no sense for one person to do a Q&A who isn't even part of rules development.

A large portion of what he has answered in these Q&A sessions has been flat out wrong.

Once again, for emphasis.

Come people lets get some more photos of data sheets.

Dark Angels points, man.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Via Facebook (IDK if said yet)

"Warhammer 40,000 All models come with a standard weapon, and those are covered in the points cost of the base model."

They are so obviously wrong that I'm actually really worried what it could mean for the more "casual" players that will see that and take it as gospel. We know it's not correct but a lot of people will just take their word for it.

This is why it makes no sense for one person to do a Q&A who isn't even part of rules development.

A large portion of what he has answered in these Q&A sessions has been flat out wrong.

No, he's done a fairly solid job. The thing is we have to accept that he works with the rules team, but isn't a part of it. He's one person who is not infallible. Even if he was on the rules team he could still make mistakes or misunderstand a question.

Pointing blame and getting mad about it won't solve anything and just drags the thread off topic. Let's focus on actual information we have instead of this.

Many thanks for the Imperial Knights preview!

Bit miffed that I cannot build the Draikana, but oh well.

[Accidental double post]

 ClockworkZion wrote:

No, he's done a fairly solid job. The thing is we have to accept that he works with the rules team, but isn't a part of it. He's one person who is not infallible. Even if he was on the rules team he could still make mistakes or misunderstand a question.

Pointing blame and getting mad about it won't solve anything and just drags the thread off topic. Let's focus on actual information we have instead of this.

It's also not an official Q&A. It's just the social media person responding to posts as best they are able to.

Do you guys think that the renegade knight will have same point costs?

 Buzzdady wrote:
So is it now legal to have a knight without any weapons other than its titanic feet (which are 0 pts)? Naked Dreadnought, Riptide?

Not likely. The datasheet will call out what comes standard. So you'll pay the base cost plus for any weapons that are pointed.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Via Facebook (IDK if said yet)

"Warhammer 40,000 All models come with a standard weapon, and those are covered in the points cost of the base model."

They are so obviously wrong that I'm actually really worried what it could mean for the more "casual" players that will see that and take it as gospel. We know it's not correct but a lot of people will just take their word for it.

This is why it makes no sense for one person to do a Q&A who isn't even part of rules development.

A large portion of what he has answered in these Q&A sessions has been flat out wrong.

No, he's done a fairly solid job. The thing is we have to accept that he works with the rules team, but isn't a part of it. He's one person who is not infallible. Even if he was on the rules team he could still make mistakes or misunderstand a question.

Pointing blame and getting mad about it won't solve anything and just drags the thread off topic. Let's focus on actual information we have instead of this.

First, I am not mad thank you for your concern though

Second, how well he's done is subjective. But, objectively, he has misled the community several times now when he tries to clarify any really meaningful data and not making, albeit funny, but meaningless jokes and puns.

They don't even filter the questions, so 90%+ is people asking for their factions.

And for the record the thread gets way off topic any time someone posts one of his horrid rules "clarifications."

 Buzzdady wrote:
[Accidental double post]

They all come equipped with two weapons, i.e. the Gallant comes with a Reaper Chainsword and a Thunderstrike Gauntlet.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

No, he's done a fairly solid job. The thing is we have to accept that he works with the rules team, but isn't a part of it. He's one person who is not infallible. Even if he was on the rules team he could still make mistakes or misunderstand a question.

Pointing blame and getting mad about it won't solve anything and just drags the thread off topic. Let's focus on actual information we have instead of this.

It's also not an official Q&A. It's just the social media person responding to posts as best they are able to.

This is not true. He officially works for GW and he officially was given the task and responsibility to answer the publics questions for PR. Everything about what he is doing is official.

Are the Necron leaks translated anywhere or should I take a quick crash course in Italian?

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/necron-8th-edition-leaks-monolith-and.html

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Why would you need reserve points for the spawn. You aren't summoning it, you are turning the character into one. It looks like a neat power to me.

That's generally how similar powers work in AoS, so I'm assuming that's how Bolt of Change will work in match play in 8th. We don't know for sure, though.

Yes, YES, YES! This just gets better and better

Brian888 wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Why would you need reserve points for the spawn. You aren't summoning it, you are turning the character into one. It looks like a neat power to me.

That's generally how similar powers work in AoS, so I'm assuming that's how Bolt of Change will work in match play in 8th. We don't know for sure, though.

If you DO NOT have to pay points for it, it's fine. If you DO, It's awful.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Are the Necron leaks translated anywhere or should I take a quick crash course in Italian?

My Italian and Spanish are pretty decent, I'll go hop in my desktop and do a rough translation. Anything in particular you want?

It really doesn't matter what the FB guy says about points - I'm 100% certain the actual books will explain how it works. There won't be any confusion for new players.

 Red Corsair wrote:


This is not true. He officially works for GW and he officially was given the task and responsibility to answer the publics questions for PR. Everything about what he is doing is official.

GW is not soliciting questions on their facebook page. They are posting the article, people are commenting, and the social media team is responding. A real Q&A is when Pete streams live and tells people to ask questions.

AquelM wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Are the Necron leaks translated anywhere or should I take a quick crash course in Italian?

My Italian and Spanish are pretty decent, I'll go hop in my desktop and do a rough translation. Anything in particular you want?

The Overlord if you can do it, the picture is kinda fuzzy, thanks friend

I'm going to try and google translate the monolith

Ok. Guys. I'm going to sleep. When I wake up. If there are no AdMech/Chaos Daemon skans, there's gonna be hell to pay >.<
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 Red Corsair wrote:

This is not true. He officially works for GW and he officially was given the task and responsibility to answer the publics questions for PR. Everything about what he is doing is official.

It's PR.

It's no more "official" than the emails you get from GW or FW when you ask for a rules clarification.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 rippounet wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/pqYKP

Space wolves.

Holy crap, Jaws of the World Wolf is terrifying.

SW Spells being better than Tzeentch spells is a painful thing.

It was always like that tho, from the moment I started playing in 1998 Tzeentch was garbage

Ok guys, here are the points cost of current Imperial Knights versus new Imperial Knights accounting for all the smaller guns they are equipped with (i.e. a Paladin has two Heavy Stubbers) EDIT: Fixed a few mistakes, I forgot to count the Reaper Chainswords for some of the variants and somehow pointed Gallants higher than the others

Universal for all -
OLD *Add +5 points to replace a Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun
NEW *Add +17 points to replace a Heavy Stubber with a Meltagun (but you don't pay for the original Heavy Stubber being replaced, so it's more like +13 points)

Crusader OLD - 425 (with Thermal Cannon)
Crusader OLD - 430 (with Rapid Fire Battle Cannon)
Crusader NEW - 512 (with Thermal Cannon)
Crusader NEW - 540 (with Rapid Fire Battle Cannon)

Errant OLD - 370
Errant NEW - 430

Gallant OLD - 325
Gallant NEW - 389

Paladin OLD - 375
Paladin NEW - 458

Warden OLD - 375
Warden NEW - 466

Thunderstrike Gauntlets are only 5 points more expensive than Reaper Chainswords now as opposed to 10 points more expensive.

Now, as for those top-mounted guns...

Ironstorm Missile Pod OLD - 30
Ironstorm Missile Pod NEW - 16

Stormspear Rocket Pod OLD - 40
Stormspear Rocket Pod NEW - 45

Twin Icarus Autocannon OLD - 35
Twin Icarus Autocannon NEW - 30

Omg i wonder if the monlith can deepstrike...
And if the C´tans can be safe behind warriors and so on...

Lorex wrote:
Omg i wonder if the monlith can deepstrike...
And if the C´tans can be safe behind warriors and so on...

Looks like it because they have < 10 wounds.