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I havent played against up to date IH lists, but I've played vs a ton of heavy shooty lists both eldar and sisters in nephilim. Is it really that bad?

you give them a target or two at -1 to hit, pop auspice and transhuman and hope for the best. then you kill them as well as you can. Rinse and repeat. if they play the infantry version, every time they fail a save, a dude dies as all you have is flat2 or better.

im not saying, IH are not good, im just saying I think we are as good or almost as good. obviously, you'll have to git gud at rolling 4++s with all the melta in this new world, but with something like 6x3 saggitarums slogging forward under vexilla protection (I feel thats huge again to give us the best defense in the game) and 2-3 calladius who absolutely love killing marines our shooting is no slouch either.

I say that list has play into IH.


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.. with AoC gone we are now 1-2+/4++/3w beasts behind t5. and opponents can't reroll or wound on anything better than 4s. The vex makes most things hit us on 4s.

Hey all I really wanted to paint/play Sisters of Silence but sadly they're now in codex Custodes and can't be taken as allied or such for other Imperium armies. So I got myself the Combat Patrol.

As of now, are their units terrible or decent for regular play ? I aim to play with rule of cool so I know I won't be optimised but just wanted to know if I should wait 10th before really committing on the Custodes paint-wise (I have two other armies to paint). I'll be playing around 1000 pts.

I always loved the Vigilators and now they're 12 pts so that's a solid buff from 17/18 pts. But in a faction of melee Elites they might feel redundant. The Witchseekers have a neat flamer though, and their Rhino being able to forward deploy is a nice touch (can I have a squad of Flamers and a squad of Swords in the same Rhino and do the 6" move ?).

I've seen they have Aleya and a regular HQ now, are they good enough to play ?

Thanks in advance golden people

So I got into Custodes with the battleforce and wondered if a foot list could work.

Something like

Trajann
Allarus shield captain

3x cust gard
3x sagittarum
9x cust guard

1x allarus
1x allarus
9x warden
Vexila praetor - magnifica banner


3x bikes w salvo

So who is expecting what specific nerfs to Custodes?

I'm guessing a bump in points for Wardens, Guardians, and another smack in the mouth regarding Strats.

Guessing back to once per game for some, and strict limitations on when others can go. No way GW lets us stay at the 65ish% we are now.

10th is gonna be here sooner than another update for Custodes. Don't think it's something to consider thinking about.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So who is expecting what specific nerfs to Custodes?

I'm guessing a bump in points for Wardens, Guardians, and another smack in the mouth regarding Strats.

Guessing back to once per game for some, and strict limitations on when others can go. No way GW lets us stay at the 65ish% we are now.

Maybe these data have evolved during this 2 weeks but Custodes are not at 65% but more a 53% which is fine (according to stat-check). Iron hands on the other hand...

 thori wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So who is expecting what specific nerfs to Custodes?

I'm guessing a bump in points for Wardens, Guardians, and another smack in the mouth regarding Strats.

Guessing back to once per game for some, and strict limitations on when others can go. No way GW lets us stay at the 65ish% we are now.

Maybe these data have evolved during this 2 weeks but Custodes are not at 65% but more a 53% which is fine (according to stat-check). Iron hands on the other hand...

GW data is whack as always. Custodes are good in Arks and can win events. They are NOT at 65% winrate.

Like has been said already, I would be extremely surprised if GW made any changes to any faction not Astartes related in the next few months before dropping 10th. It's fairly clear they have stopped caring in the attempt to push SM 2.0 before 10th drops in the Spring.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Like has been said already, I would be extremely surprised if GW made any changes to any faction not Astartes related in the next few months before dropping 10th. It's fairly clear they have stopped caring in the attempt to push SM 2.0 before 10th drops in the Spring.

What? You said in your last post you were expecting points changes and stratagem nerfs to Custodes.

Incognito15 wrote:
So I got into Custodes with the battleforce and wondered if a foot list could work.

Something like

Trajann
Allarus shield captain

3x cust gard
3x sagittarum
9x cust guard

1x allarus
1x allarus
9x warden
Vexila praetor - magnifica banner


3x bikes w salvo

I do not know.. It is inspiered around the two 10 man warden list that has been doing OK? I dont really know how that list plays. I trued a verison of it and it is so very imobile. One units of boys with 'da jump' scored 15 points and 5 cp with behind enemy lines. The dakkajets took down my models holding bjectoves with the help of ghazgul whaag (ekstra shots and better AP.)

I would prefer my list with either faster movement (bikes) or some better shooting (bike rockets, dreadnought meltaguns or some forge world stuff.) Good luck though.

Spartacus wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Like has been said already, I would be extremely surprised if GW made any changes to any faction not Astartes related in the next few months before dropping 10th. It's fairly clear they have stopped caring in the attempt to push SM 2.0 before 10th drops in the Spring.

What? You said in your last post you were expecting points changes and stratagem nerfs to Custodes.

Right, and guess what?

GW is considering "minor" nerfs to Custodes and other mid-top tier factions. Heavy nerfs to DA and IH, and likely ignore GSC, but Custodes will likely get knocked back into the "Once per game" BS of their main strats, and then GW will drop 10th. The whole not caring thing is they don't care what shape they leave Custodes in. Because the game of 9th will be dead. Not they don't care enough to write another "balance" sheet. There is already a balance sheet coming out in a few weeks, based solely off the recent tournaments.

This makes me worry about the scale. It looks like the new termi is taller than a custodes.


from https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/23/a-mindblowing-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-is-coming/

Maybe the biggest change in the new edition is to datasheets.
The way core information on a datasheet is presented has changed, and with it we took the opportunity to re-stat every unit in Warhammer 40,000.
Every unit has new and reevaluated rules, so every army will feel new from day one of the new edition.
This huge update has also given us the opportunity to look again at lethality and durability across the entire game, and rebalance it at a stroke – something we could never do outside the launch of a new edition.

i hope this hints to a stats creep fix that makes custodes feel less like golden marines by having almost the same or worse stats.

So technically, there were some terminators (Non-primarchs) who were taller than a Custodian. Just off the top of my head, the Chapter master of the Minotaurs (sp?), The chapter masters of the BA Sub chapters, like Seth and the Knights of Blood guy, and Many of the Alpha Legion were said to be almost Primarch level height. At least 3 meters. It's closer to scale in my view.

Its the stat creep that comes with it that will scare me.

Custodies how is your Ork matchup? And how do you play it?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/04/just-how-tough-are-terminators-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000/
so SM termis have T5 and 4++ now... i really hope custodes will have T6 other wise this is a fething joke

They might raise Allarus with actual terminator armor to T6, but will be surprised (but do hope to be!) if they bump them all to 6 across the board.

If they don't bump them to T6 or do something to make them tougher a SM termi will be no different from a custodes which would suck. the termi will even hin on 2+ with the ability.

That termie doesn't swing at 2+ on everything, shoot at 2+, and have a 2+4+ baked into every unit. I get that I'm all about hyperbole, but even I'm saying, tone it down. If they bump Allarus up to T6, then we have to make bikes T7. That will never happen. But who cares? We know less than 10% of what 10th will be. Can we wait to see a single Custodes Stat line before calling Marines unfair?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
That termie doesn't swing at 2+ on everything, shoot at 2+, and have a 2+4+ baked into every unit. I get that I'm all about hyperbole, but even I'm saying, tone it down. If they bump Allarus up to T6, then we have to make bikes T7. That will never happen. But who cares? We know less than 10% of what 10th will be. Can we wait to see a single Custodes Stat line before calling Marines unfair?

Why not? T8 isn't cap anymore. Expect to see more T9 and even T10 in the game.

tneva82 wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
That termie doesn't swing at 2+ on everything, shoot at 2+, and have a 2+4+ baked into every unit. I get that I'm all about hyperbole, but even I'm saying, tone it down. If they bump Allarus up to T6, then we have to make bikes T7. That will never happen. But who cares? We know less than 10% of what 10th will be. Can we wait to see a single Custodes Stat line before calling Marines unfair?

Why not? T8 isn't cap anymore. Expect to see more T9 and even T10 in the game.

Don't be contrary just to be that way. You know why us fielding T7 bike squads and T9 Dreads would be cheese. 10th is shaping up to be Creeptacular before they even launch.

TIL that Terminators having T5 is power creep of the highest order

Relax LMAO.

No, saying we need to get T6 because they got T5, is power creep you incapable of reading trawfle.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
That termie doesn't swing at 2+ on everything, shoot at 2+, and have a 2+4+ baked into every unit. I get that I'm all about hyperbole, but even I'm saying, tone it down. If they bump Allarus up to T6, then we have to make bikes T7. That will never happen. But who cares? We know less than 10% of what 10th will be. Can we wait to see a single Custodes Stat line before calling Marines unfair?

Why not? T8 isn't cap anymore. Expect to see more T9 and even T10 in the game.

Don't be contrary just to be that way. You know why us fielding T7 bike squads and T9 Dreads would be cheese. 10th is shaping up to be Creeptacular before they even launch.

Cheerleader In whar? 9e? Newsflash. 10e is coming. As you indicate you know complete 10e rules prove or you proseduuri to be liar.

Comparing stats based on 9e rules proves being clueless noob. You dont know rules nor points. If that t9 dread ccosts 1500 of 2000 pts is it cheese?

But guess you love proving to be always wrong

There are two things I'd like to use in 10th edition and not just in HH:

- basic custodes troops with solerite power gauntlets

- the sisters of silence Kharon Pattern Acquisitor

Spado wrote:
There are two things I'd like to use in 10th edition and not just in HH:

- basic custodes troops with solerite power gauntlets

- the sisters of silence Kharon Pattern Acquisitor

I'll second the solarite gauntlets. That single weapon option would make custodes dangerous on a whole other level.

guys, t5 on termies makes perfectly sense. they want to broaden the spectrum and use a wider range of t. very cool. I feel worse about the strat that gives full rerolls vs a target. Like having elder doom and guide on a thin each turn. Seems completely bonkers.

Dataslate is here guys and this is the only change for us:

"Change the Adeptus Custodes keyword in all instances on the Arcane Genetic Alchemy and Emperor’s Auspice Stratagems to read Adeptus Custodes Infantry. You cannot use both of these Stratagems on the same unit in the same phase"

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/13/vehicles-are-even-tougher-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000/

Repulsor being T12 and Stompa T14 i think this is good news, i am pretty sure custodes will not stay at T5.

 nordsturmking wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/13/vehicles-are-even-tougher-in-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000/

Repulsor being T12 and Stompa T14 i think this is good news, i am pretty sure custodes will not stay at T5.

Nothing we can really gather from here unless we get a Dread preview and make educated guesses.

The specific numbers don't really matter any more at this point. Not until we know how everything else is balanced.

It's time for us to forget everything we've ever known about what "T5" means in the context of 40k. The whole system is changing.