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 Colpicklejar wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
People with indexes seem to be indicating no chapter tactics are in the books. That's... Worrying.



Did you really think they were going to stay? Legions, marks, chapter tactics, etc. will ALL be gone. Maybe they will give them back to us in later books, but there was no way they were going to do that.

Based on what 40k Facebook has said, they will still exist, but it looks like we won't see them until the codexes drop. Makes me woder if they're working to rebalance them and potentially assign point costs to them.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
Me too!

How many editions have you been playing?

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!


I'd be willing to say that this feels a lot like what 3rd Edition would have been if it were the evolutionary facelift to 2nd rather than something that supplanted it (like it ended up doing). A 2.75e if you will.

So yeah, I think the description makes sense. It is a revolutionary change, like 3rd, but mostly in so far as it shares more DNA with 2nd than it does with 3rd to 7th.

At times I look at what we've seen and it almost feels like something Andy Chambers would have designed. It has that streamlined but satisfyingly deep feel like Battlefleet Gothic or Epic, that always felt like his hallmarks (when allowed to design a game from the ground up that is).




 
   
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 theharrower wrote:
Not sure if this was discussed yet, but can someone help me out here? How on earth are Khorne Berzerkers Power Level 5 compared to Death Company at Power Level 9? Not only that, Berzerkers are 1 point cheaper, have a better statline, and fight twice in assault. Um, what?

Spoiler:

Power is a calculation made based on points cost for the models plus half of their possible upgrades. Considering how procy all DC upgrades are it's not hard to see why the rating would be higher.
   
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Oh and someone earlier in the thread was wondering if combat squads were still a thing. Looks like they most definitely are.

 
   
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Deffkoptas 55 points each plus Kopta Rokkits for 27 points, so 83 points each?

I'm liking most of the Ork staff o far, but that seems wildly overcosted

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Grey knights looking good,
The opposite of Necrons, Better units (mostly) and a bit cheaper point wise,

Notes:
The always amazing Dreadknight lost his +1inv save power,
Purifiers lost their 2 attacks,
Castellan Crowe is now a GREAT (time to paint that finecast),
Everything is a Psyker (like before) BUT now they can ALL access the whole psy tree, not just random pre-sets,
Default Smite gets nerfed a bit on some models, other powers may be better anyway, However there are alot of area buffs to increase it, and some characters have a buffed version for CC

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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
For things like Magnus, where he can cast multiple times, could we in theory cast smite 3x a turn with him?


The leaked psyker rules stipulate they can only attempt to cast one instance of a spell per round, so no casting the same spell twice.

It also says that Smite is an exception to the Rule of One in matched play.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!


Do you still have your truescale army? Also, did you play 3rd till the end with all the chapter approved revisions? It ended up fairly similar in basic rules to 4th and 5th.

   
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 Megaknob wrote:
All of that war gear is built into its profile to begin with or do you have to add every single weapon to every single model in your army ?


Matched play requires you to add it all up. But lots of basic wargear is 0.

I think power level will catch on as a preferred way to play pickup games as it's so much simpler. I will just require wysiwyg and that prevents power game shenanigans typically. For tournaments I think matched is still the way to go.


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 Gordy2000 wrote:
Deffkoptas 55 points each plus Kopta Rokkits for 27 points, so 83 points each?

I'm liking most of the Ork staff o far, but that seems wildly overcosted


Depends on how many wounds and other rules deffkoptas get.

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 Gordy2000 wrote:
Deffkoptas 55 points each plus Kopta Rokkits for 27 points, so 83 points each?

I'm liking most of the Ork staff o far, but that seems wildly overcosted


At first I saw the points costs of my armies were all higher and thought wow, i'm screwed, but then as the leaks came out, everyone is realizing that points increased for most units in the game. I think we're going to see the standard size game go up to about 2500 as some things are dramatically more expensive. land raiders went from 250 to 350, dreads went up over 100 points, drop pods, rhinos, razorbacks, many infantry units etc etc.

So don't let that get you twisted, I think it's the same for everyone at this point.
   
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 warboss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:

I loved 2nd, hated 3rd, liked 4th and 5th, and 6th and 7th drove me out of 40K.

So, I'm...cautiously optimistic for 8th, as it looks like an...OK combo of 2nd and 3rd?

If that makes sense?

I'm REALLY looking forward to the new Primaris models though!


Do you still have your truescale army? Also, did you play 3rd till the end with all the chapter approved revisions? It ended up fairly similar in basic rules to 4th and 5th.


Only a few bits and bobs.

I sold it off thinking it just would fit well/play well with others, and then GW went and did the whole Primaris thing - hilarious!

I didn't stick around for all of 3E - I bailed fairly quickly after they gutted 2E and turned it into 3E.

8E looks good but it also looks like a Bucket O' Dice Edition, and a Pick Up A Lot Of Models A Lot Of The Time edition too - so I'm a bit nervous there...
   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 WrentheFaceless wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
For things like Magnus, where he can cast multiple times, could we in theory cast smite 3x a turn with him?


The leaked psyker rules stipulate they can only attempt to cast one instance of a spell per round, so no casting the same spell twice.

It also says that Smite is an exception to the Rule of One in matched play.

It's still limited to once per psyker per turn.

Spoiler:

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Backfire wrote:
 Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah, but you know how it goes, Tau took the lion's share of complaints for it from what I've seen.


I think I saw complaints about it in 4th when it was apparently easier to get behind full cover. I don't think I have ever seen serious complaints about Tau JSJ in 5th to 7th. Battlesuits are still slow and determined enemy can always catch them, or shoot them through cover.

I doubt removing JSJ does anything for Tau at this point, however. The army has already become a parody of stompy Mecha monsters and what I've seen of the leaked rules, seems this trend is only reinforced. Nobody cares what small suits, infantry or vehicles do at this point anymore. Now it's all about Stormsurges dual wielding Riptides.


not sure if you were speaking metaphorically or not, but that last part is not even remotely true.

As a tau player who played them because of the cool models and their playstyle (long before riptides and stormsurges) JSJ is an incredibly integral part of the tau "style".
(don't even have a stormsurge or ghostkeel, have one riptide...).

I have 18 crisis suits and a buch of stealth guys - if they lose the JSJ this will dramatically change the enjoyment and feel of the game for tau.

Anyway - hoping the new tau are ok - I played them in 5th when not that great, so if at least they are not OP now....well, that is something I guess.


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 Ghaz wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 WrentheFaceless wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
For things like Magnus, where he can cast multiple times, could we in theory cast smite 3x a turn with him?


The leaked psyker rules stipulate they can only attempt to cast one instance of a spell per round, so no casting the same spell twice.

It also says that Smite is an exception to the Rule of One in matched play.

It's still limited to once per psyker per turn.

Spoiler:

I thought I saw the smite power itself specifically stated that it ignored that...?

Maybe I got that confused with AoS.... o.O

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I thought it said that too - even in the pic he linked to?

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
I thought it said that too - even in the pic he linked to?

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

Nope... we're both being facetious .

Seriously tho... spammed smite is going to be something else

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 Alpharius wrote:
I thought it said that too - even in the pic he linked to?

Unless I'm missing something?

(Entirely possible!)

The pic I linked to doesn't make any changes to Smite, just the other psychic powers.

EDIT: No exception for a psyker to attempt to manifest Smite more than once per turn in the core rules

Spoiler:

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Drop pod rules have been leak and well damn they are pretty bad. Can only carry troops (no dreads, or cents :| ) and requires 9" bubble that everyone already has for 100ish points. That has really killed my love for 8th, I can't see the logic in sticking tac troops in a pod instead of taking terminators.

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 tetrisphreak wrote:
 Megaknob wrote:
All of that war gear is built into its profile to begin with or do you have to add every single weapon to every single model in your army ?


Matched play requires you to add it all up. But lots of basic wargear is 0.

I think power level will catch on as a preferred way to play pickup games as it's so much simpler. I will just require wysiwyg and that prevents power game shenanigans typically. For tournaments I think matched is still the way to go.

I really don't think so. Everyone is going to have favorite loadouts with their points memorized or written down. It really isn't much harder to remember 187 than 17.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:


Only a few bits and bobs.

I sold it off thinking it just would fit well/play well with others, and then GW went and did the whole Primaris thing - hilarious!

I didn't stick around for all of 3E - I bailed fairly quickly after they gutted 2E and turned it into 3E.

8E looks good but it also looks like a Bucket O' Dice Edition, and a Pick Up A Lot Of Models A Lot Of The Time edition too - so I'm a bit nervous there...


Well.. I was going to suggest the primaris guys would go well with your taller marines and vehicles (I remember you selling some vehicles but figured they were spares/extras).... The reason I asked about 3rd is that with the vehicle and trial assault rules it ended up for the last year or two very similar to 4th. As for 8th, yeah... bucket o dice with some (but granted not all) mistakes of the past mixed with greed over gaming (admittedly again not as badly as with 6th/7th) edition makes me a bit nervous as well which is a change from cautiously neutral a month ago.

   
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 Ghaz wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 WrentheFaceless wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
For things like Magnus, where he can cast multiple times, could we in theory cast smite 3x a turn with him?


The leaked psyker rules stipulate they can only attempt to cast one instance of a spell per round, so no casting the same spell twice.

It also says that Smite is an exception to the Rule of One in matched play.

It's still limited to once per psyker per turn.

Spoiler:


That image does not say smite is limited to once per turn, per psyker.

Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.

I have a problem.

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 Cephalobeard wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 WrentheFaceless wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
For things like Magnus, where he can cast multiple times, could we in theory cast smite 3x a turn with him?


The leaked psyker rules stipulate they can only attempt to cast one instance of a spell per round, so no casting the same spell twice.

It also says that Smite is an exception to the Rule of One in matched play.

It's still limited to once per psyker per turn.

Spoiler:


That image does not say smite is limited to once per turn, per psyker.

No. The core rules however do (see my edited post above).

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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bobafett012 wrote:
 Gordy2000 wrote:
Deffkoptas 55 points each plus Kopta Rokkits for 27 points, so 83 points each?

I'm liking most of the Ork staff o far, but that seems wildly overcosted


At first I saw the points costs of my armies were all higher and thought wow, i'm screwed, but then as the leaks came out, everyone is realizing that points increased for most units in the game. I think we're going to see the standard size game go up to about 2500 as some things are dramatically more expensive. land raiders went from 250 to 350, dreads went up over 100 points, drop pods, rhinos, razorbacks, many infantry units etc etc.

So don't let that get you twisted, I think it's the same for everyone at this point.

Orks are almost all the same, except vehicles.

The new Kopta better be good if it's price went up to 250% of what it was. Almost nobody, not even riptides, got that big of a jump.

And if games go to 2500 regularly, I'm going to need a lot more orks.

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mercury14 wrote:
Have Harlequin leaks been dropped yet? Not seeing anything from them yet....
Check the thread. If you see them, they have. If you don't, they haven't. There was already a mod post about this.

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I'm hoping that they get the same buff to psychic as Tzeench in AoS where you match the lowest dice with the highest when casting and denying. That may make them more viable considering that the whole pool of psychic dice deal we banked on has been removed...

   
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Will post pics here

I love you. Please, make it so. I have so much to assemble.

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 Verviedi wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
Mechanicus fully scanned.
Will post pics here

I love you. Please, make it so. I have so much to assemble.

Done and done. Not my scan/work :p

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