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*Does the hospitaller dance*

Actually I think the first Daylami is an LGL. It doesn't have the extended barrel of a Rifle or a sickle magazine.

 -Loki- wrote:
Actually I think the first Daylami is an LGL. It doesn't have the extended barrel of a Rifle or a sickle magazine.

Could it be just a Light Shotgun?

Edit:
Going off the idea of it being just a Light Shotgun on the first one(a kind of "generic proxy" model for the Daylami almost) and your guess of Rifle Farzan, alongside of the purported shift to making Sectorial starters less "vanilla/player intro friendly" I got this as a list:
Hassassin Bahram
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3 3
DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8)
DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8)
ÁYYĀR (Surprise Shot L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Viral Pistols, CCW, Knife. (0 | 39)
FARZAN (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)

2.5 SWC | 111 Points

Open in Infinity Army

It weighs in similarly pointswise to the USARF Sectorial starter without going for all the frills.

what's this about new Szalamandra artwork?

^^^This from the WGC facebook page.


IIRC, the Halqa are due for a re-write. Maybe the Daylami are too. They could use it. Right now, as irregular orders, they are not the stuff of a starter box. Or the basis for any sort of army. Mostly the minis serve as Ghulam or Halqa proxies.

I think that we will not see better images until Monday at the earliest, and realistically Tuesday.

Any news on Aristeia!?

Ah, for the page roll, I'll repeat the releases
Releases for the next 3 months..

September
-Locust clandestine action team hacker
-Umbra legates spitfire
-Shikami combi
-Caledonian Volunteers box
-Hassassin Bahram Sectorial box (3 Daylami (?) a Muyib, an Ayyar, and a ??? Fiday? Farzan?)
-Re-pack of Nagas
-Re-pack of Hellcats

October
--Something unreadable--
-Andromeda
-Taskmaster Swast team
-Pneumarch -- CA HVT mini
-Crusader Brethren Multi-rifle+ LFT
-Re-pack of Gao-Rael
-Re-pack of Tiger Soldiers
-300 point Corregidor army box (re-pack)

November
--something unreadable--
-USAriadna Spec Ops Grunt version
-Joe Scarface (from the ITS pack)
-Jeanne D'Arc, in the classic Marianne pose. Very nice touch. Allons enfants de la Patrie!
-Hassassin Muyibs box
-Re-pack of Hac Tao
-Re-pack of Moran Masai hunter

The Guard "animal" Andromeda has looks a bit like a Su Jian to me.

Way too many TREQs in the renders.

Thanks for that, Red Harvest. That is a much, much, much needed redesign. I hated the old one with a passion, so this is very welcome for me. I might actually get one of those, now. Here's hoping for an actual combat pose!

Hmm...hospitallers have no combined rifle on that dossier.....

Did anybody see the Cube Jaegers?




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I'm also shocked to see that some figures will apparently have arm swaps. The Taskmaster is shown with a Red Fury and a Rocket Launcher and the Ariadna Spec Ops has a shotgun and something else (molotok?)

 Red Harvest wrote:
Maybe the Daylami are too. They could use it. Right now, as irregular orders, they are not the stuff of a starter box. Or the basis for any sort of army. Mostly the minis serve as Ghulam or Halqa proxies.

Their Infiltration profiles are actually kind of popular. 10pts to put Rifle camo token, or 8pts, 0.5swc to put a panzerfaust camo token in the opponents half of the table can be incredibly disruptive. The opponent can't ignore them, but they're bad enough that spending orders dealing with them is a waste.

I agree though, they should have been left out of the starter. Irregular orders in a starter is hard mode for new players. Though I'm not exactly sure what they could have been replaced with.

 jake wrote:
No Morats. Sigh...

What are you missing? (Serious question, not rhetorical)


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I sure like that Umbra Legate with spitfire.

Was there any presentation on the future sectorials? I wonder, if there was any say on the ORC character?

Not surprised to see the aliens come up short again. The new CA models look nice, but this is a slim year for them. Just 4 releases (all blisters), one of which is the HVT, after everyone else got theirs last year. CA traditionally comes in last place for number of releases each year, but this is slim even for them. Amazingly, Tohaa managed to do worse, with only 3 releases this year (also all blisters). Like I said, I'm not really surprised. The alien armies almost always get the short end of the stick.

@jake What they lack in volume they make up in quality. I really like the CA releases.

Joan, the Salamander, and the Shikami are the other winners in my eyes.

 schoon wrote:
@jake What they lack in volume they make up in quality. I really like the CA releases.

I like them as well. But I'd like to get as many CA or Tohaa releases as PanO, Yujing or Haqq. I mean, I understand that some army has to get the least releases every year, but in the 7 years I've been play CA has had the least or second least number of releases every year expect for one year. Same with Tohaa. And CA and Tohaa releases tend toward blisters instead of boxes. so they tend to see less new models overall. Thats extremely frustrating.

CA or Tohaa releases as PanO, Yujing or Haqq.

Do you happen to have the number of releases per faction?Judging things on a feel, Nomads, Haqq and ISS have occupied CB's interest and production for a while.

 Knight wrote:

CA or Tohaa releases as PanO, Yujing or Haqq.

Do you happen to have the number of releases per faction?Judging things on a feel, Nomads, Haqq and ISS have occupied CB's interest and production for a while.

Curently ALEPH is getting the least amount of releases for the last couple of years. 3 releases a year for the last 3 years (including this one)

 Barzam wrote:

I'm also shocked to see that some figures will apparently have arm swaps. The Taskmaster is shown with a Red Fury and a Rocket Launcher and the Ariadna Spec Ops has a shotgun and something else (molotok?)

SpecOps sometimes get these. The original Ariadna Intel SpecOps has two different sets of "offhand" arms(he can have a knife out or a hand for sneak-balancing).

It's funny that these things they used to do, like multiple models in a blister and arm swaps were things they stopped doing because of "quality concerns" but now all of a sudden they're back...

 Knight wrote:

CA or Tohaa releases as PanO, Yujing or Haqq.

Do you happen to have the number of releases per faction?Judging things on a feel, Nomads, Haqq and ISS have occupied CB's interest and production for a while.

I don't anymore, but I made a list last year that showed averages over 6 years. Unfortunately I can't find it at the moment. But you can look back through their release photos on facebook to get an accurate account of what they've released. A quick look shows that Yujing dominated last year, with Haqq and Ariadna in second. Last year was actually a pretty okay year for CA (mostly thanks to the new Onyx units). Looking back over the years PanO, Yujing, Nomads, Haqq and Ariadna take turns at the top, while CA is almost always at or close to the bottom along with Tohaa and Aleph.

Curently ALEPH is getting the least amount of releases for the last couple of years. 3 releases a year for the last 3 years (including this one)

Thats not actually true. They had 5 releases last year (Hector, Posthumans, Achilles*, Garuda and HVT) and 4 releases in 2015 (Dactyl, Acmon, Teucer and Scylla & Drak). But yeah, things have been slim for Aleph too. They definitely join Tohaa and Combined Army at the bottom of the heap.

*Or 4 releases in 2016 and 5 in 2015, depending on when you'd like to count Achilles.

Anyway, my point was that the Aliens (and Aleph to) get less releases than other armies. It would be nice if all armies got the same number of releases.

Blame the fact that they view releases not as faction, but sectorial oriented.

Right now the Combined Army is down a sectorial for rework and the Tohaa don't have one yet.

 Barzam wrote:
Thanks for that, Red Harvest. That is a much, much, much needed redesign. I hated the old one with a passion, so this is very welcome for me. I might actually get one of those, now. Here's hoping for an actual combat pose!

I like the old one a lot - and while I agree that it was due a redesign, this one isn't it!

It looks like the Iguana!

I was hoping for something that at least slightly echoed the old one.

This one is disappointing for me...

While I feel the concept art is nice and it will grow on me, I will have to agree on the sentiment, I wished it had more connection with the old one.

Though the tale and "wings" were elements I wanted to see in the new design (and a flamethrower to the head to complete the dragon image).

 Kanluwen wrote:
Blame the fact that they view releases not as faction, but sectorial oriented.

Right now the Combined Army is down a sectorial for rework and the Tohaa don't have one yet.

CA still has two sectorials, both missing lots of models.

It's really weird that they have this release schedule set up that totally allows them to put out equal or near equal releases for every faction, but they don't do it. They could say "Hey, this year we're going to focus on the Bakunin and Shock Army sectorials and Yujing as a whole army. They'll be getting the most releases. But that still means we'll have about 30 releases for the rest of the year. So lets make sure each of the other 5 armies each get about 6 releases, and lets try to make one or more of those a box." Instead, each year there's two or 3 armies that only get 3-5 releases (often just blisters) while everyone else gets 7-9. So I wish they would plan their releases more evenly.

So when will we get Vedic Aleph?

 Mymearan wrote:
So when will we get Vedic Aleph?

We don't know, but Soon(tm).

Mañana™, actually. Vedic sectorial is in the next book, which is now an updated Paradiso, called, imaginatively enough, Paradiso N3. Next year, late next year, is the soonest we will get the book... or so went the few rumors I heard.

However, CB may release something earlier, a "get you by" sectorial, like they did for the USAriadna. Doubtful, but possible.

At least they did release a new Vedic mini and unit this year. CB is working on them, sloooowly.

I'm sure we already know this but...what's going to be in Paradiso N3 then?

(Please?)

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm sure we already know this but...what's going to be in Paradiso N3 then?

(Please?)

Varuna for PanO
Tunguska for Nomads
Ramah Task Force for Haqqislam
Invincible Army for Yu Jing
supposedly a Tohaa Sectorial
Kazaks for Ariadna

Don't know what for Combined Army, if anything. Same with ALEPH. Everything I've heard about Vedic points to it being in the book after, alongside the Svalarheima Sectorials for PanO and Yu Jing, the Khanate for Haqqislam, and Merovingians for Ariadna.

Isn't the plan to update the Paradiso's campaign system and include it into next expansion?

 Knight wrote:
Isn't the plan to update the Paradiso's campaign system and include it into next expansion?

That's where things get kinda weird/fuzzy.

There's talk of an expanded campaign system for "As Yet No Definitive Titled Book Previously Referred to as Acheron Falls", building off of Campaign: Paradiso's stuff and with the new Campaign: Paradiso strictly bringing SpecOps up to snuff for N3.