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It says he can ignore any targeting restriction... So does that mean he can fire into close combat? 

I seem to remember that was mentioned in n faq long ago, but I think that was when there was a separate assassin's codex.

seems far-fetched, but he does cost 110 points...

Yes, it expressly says he ignores enemy models when targeting.

Right but he still must have line of sight, and close combat blocks line of sight. He can fire at a model locked in close combat, but you must be able to draw line of sight to him

Technically speaking, the model the Vindicare is targeting is in combat, and since LOS is blocked by combat, then LOS to that model is blocked. It may be right there on the edge of the combat, but as it IS in combat, the LOS is blocked.

Actually the line says it blocks LOS through them. So, as long as the target is on the edge or is of a size category greater than the other combatants he can be a valid target for the vindicare. Creating a tarpit for a monstrous creature, and taging it with the various super shots the vindicare has (usually starting with Turbo-penetrator) is a pretty cheesy tactic. Like you said though, he does cost 110 points and even more so if the required inquisitor is taken into account, so it's not that cheesy.

Plus (according to my calculations), even if you fire all six turns at this monstrous creature, and use all three special rounds, assuming an average invulnerable save of 5+, you'll get less than 2.5 wounds per game on average.  It would seem that the assassin is much better suited to picking off key one-wound models (or being satisfied with taking a single wound of ICs for the half victory points).

Yeah, I'm trying to weigh whether the option of *possibly* being able to take out a few hidden power fists is worth the couple hundred points, or if I want to take 2 extra min/maxed lasplas squads.  the old fluff vs. effectiveness debate.  I was just looking at all my options, and what they could bring to the game.

by the way, here's what I was thinking:

Shooty Infiltrating SM army

plus

Inq. Lord w/Emperor's Tarot & low cost weapons
2 Veteran guardsmen w/plasmaguns
1-2 mystics

Vindicare Assassin

Posted By SunTzu on 01/31/2007 12:34 PM
Yeah, I'm trying to weigh whether the option of *possibly* being able to take out a few hidden power fists is worth the couple hundred points, or if I want to take 2 extra min/maxed lasplas squads.  the old fluff vs. effectiveness debate.  I was just looking at all my options, and what they could bring to the game.

by the way, here's what I was thinking:

Shooty Infiltrating SM army

plus

Inq. Lord w/Emperor's Tarot & low cost weapons
2 Veteran guardsmen w/plasmaguns
1-2 mystics

Vindicare Assassin

Well if the YMDC portion of your post has been answered to your satisfaction, the other really belongs inthe tactics forum. No offense. 

Yeah, you're right, sorry for that.  No offense taken.  I'll start a new post in the tactics section when I have a better idea of what my army is looking like.

thanks

I think this is the wrong call, the rules for the assasin clearly state he can ignore enemy models when targeting, in addition to saying he ignores normal targeting restrictions (in this case firing into a combat being a restriction, and cc blocking LOS as a restriction).

Yes he can, he ignores targeting restriction: no firing into CC, because thats what the rule says.

All I've got is the Witch Hunters dex. In there it just says he "can target any model in range and line of sight, regardless of any targeting restrictions (such as independant characters within 6" of another unit)."  To me that means he is still bound by normal LOS requirements with firing through CC being one of the factors.

It wouldn't surprise me if it reads differently in the deamon hunter dex though.  I would assume that this dex would trump the old assasins dex though if they differ.  That's just my feeling though.  No basis in rules there.

Kind of a tangent. I think the Vindicare sux. I used him for like 5 games and he never did squat. He took out land speeder in a ravenwing army once. Thats it. He is just one shot per turn. Half the time I would roll a one anyways. He is like somone said good at taking out 1 wound/key models.

Like:
The mekboy with shield generator would be good.
Maybe a librarian, but I think they have 3.
Necron lord but I think he has like 4
Powerfist guys,.....

As you see its hard to even think of anything. Most key models unsually have multiple wounds. Thats why I stopped taking him. Plus the inquisitor lord would take up either an elite or an HQ.

Like the man told me, that probably belongs in tactics, but you are right, if used incorrectly, the vindicare does suck.  It's all how you use them.  I want him for taking out hidden power-fists, IG Junior officers, eldar warlocks, and finishing off monstrous creatures with a wound left, all from 36" away. They also have a fear factor that shouldn't be underestimated.

but to each their own.