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 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Although I've pre-ordered it myself, I'll be well annoyed if I have to carry 3 or 4 books with rules spread across them to play a single new gang when they come out.

Learning from experience, you'll have to carry on alot more than that. You'll have a bunch of books, pdfs, erratas, faqs, apps, white dwarf articles and the little rule pages that come with some special characters.

Only way to overecome this is to compile a unified rules document. I'm prepared to do exactly that.

I have always wondered why GW use books and not folders for rules. That why they can release new units/campaigns/etc etc left and right and just include a print out or stats on the box that can be inserted into the folder. If a unit's stats are amended or rules changed no need to print a whole new book, just replace the page.

That leads to fewer book sales.
Even softbacks have disappeared again.

 Skinnereal wrote:
That leads to fewer book sales.
Even softbacks have disappeared again.

Yeah GW is still working on the flawed assumption they can get more sales by putting out more items forgetting sales on books eats on sales on miniatures and indeed can turn away potential customers.

Ruin_In_The_Dark wrote:
I have always wondered why GW use books and not folders for rules. That why they can release new units/campaigns/etc etc left and right and just include a print out or stats on the box that can be inserted into the folder. If a unit's stats are amended or rules changed no need to print a whole new book, just replace the page.

Books look better on shelves and take up less room. Perhaps not so much of an issue for GW, but I've heard it from other rules publishers that that's the reason they use books rather than loose-leaf pages in folders, even though the latter is more practical.

They used to sell binders that you could use to put rulebooks in (the staple-bound, paperback rulebooks from boxed games like Space Marine and Advanced Heroquest), but I'm not sure who actually ever used them.

Tablets are fairly cheap nowadays, qnd can store hundreds of books...

 Crazyterran wrote:
Tablets are fairly cheap nowadays, qnd can store hundreds of books...

Great suggestion, I happen to have one sitting around collecting dust as it is.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Tablets are fairly cheap nowadays, qnd can store hundreds of books...

Browsing and looking up rules in tablets is just a pain.

Much better with physical paper (I've experimented with both). Also paper don't run out of battery.

Baxx wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Tablets are fairly cheap nowadays, qnd can store hundreds of books...

Browsing and looking up rules in tablets is just a pain.

Much better with physical paper (I've experimented with both). Also paper don't run out of battery.

I loved having the community edition in digital format - the find function makes everything so much easier

Ruin_In_The_Dark wrote:
I have always wondered why GW use books and not folders for rules. That why they can release new units/campaigns/etc etc left and right and just include a print out or stats on the box that can be inserted into the folder. If a unit's stats are amended or rules changed no need to print a whole new book, just replace the page.

Once upon a time, they did.

Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus etc all came with printed 'guide holes' so they could be stored in a binder.

Any guess as to the state said pages quickly wound up in?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Ruin_In_The_Dark wrote:
I have always wondered why GW use books and not folders for rules. That why they can release new units/campaigns/etc etc left and right and just include a print out or stats on the box that can be inserted into the folder. If a unit's stats are amended or rules changed no need to print a whole new book, just replace the page.

Once upon a time, they did.

Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus etc all came with printed 'guide holes' so they could be stored in a binder.

Any guess as to the state said pages quickly wound up in?

I put my hands up & I admit I didn't think of the state of the pages after a few games!

Picked my box up last night at LGS. Very happy with it! I am reading the rules and it reminds me of Warmachine/Hordes rules, which I love.

The models look better live than the pictures. I like that you can use the tokens to mark things or use a combo of tapping cards and placing models face down and up etc.

Oh no are they still doing the lay-models-down thingy? After playing warmachine & hordes, I've learned to detest that.

Baxx wrote:
Oh no are they still doing the lay-models-down thingy? After playing warmachine & hordes, I've learned to detest that.

Technically they have Tokens as a primary means of taking care of that. I will lay them down when easy and token them every other time.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Ruin_In_The_Dark wrote:
I have always wondered why GW use books and not folders for rules. That why they can release new units/campaigns/etc etc left and right and just include a print out or stats on the box that can be inserted into the folder. If a unit's stats are amended or rules changed no need to print a whole new book, just replace the page.

Once upon a time, they did.

Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus etc all came with printed 'guide holes' so they could be stored in a binder.

Any guess as to the state said pages quickly wound up in?

As a callow pre-teenager, I made a horrendous mess of cutting up my 1st edition Space Marine rulebook to go in a binder - to the extent that I cut through some of the punched holes, making the whole thing useless.

MWG Josh just posted an apology video for the way he handled his review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnhihILJXo

 Hragged wrote:
MWG Josh just posted an apology video for the way he handled his review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnhihILJXo

Respect.

Now there's the voice of a man who's been told to apologise.

And apologies to GW too? I seem to remember MWG's little tirade against GW. How quickly that worm turned.

Idiotic that he apologize. He told us what he thought about the game, so there was nothing to apologize for (even if I didn't agreed with most of what he said) Guess he was afraid of GW reaction.



Anyway, really don't like that some tactical cards are exclusive to ordering on the web site.
I won't get them, since I ordered from my LGS, so I hope I'm not missing mucch

Josh did go to Yaktribe and tell the folk to email him feedback few days ago.

Maybe if GW made the go-to weapon for Escher the autogun instead of the crappy 1 shot flashlight, poor Josh would have a better experience. Imagine Escher, now with cheap autogun instead of cheap flashlight.

Lasguns are one shot weapons?

Yes, they shoot once each time. not to be confused with one-use only, or oneshot-instagib

 Hragged wrote:
MWG Josh just posted an apology video for the way he handled his review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnhihILJXo

Fair enough about the interrupting of his opponent, but not sure he needed to apologise for anything else. I thought he exaggerated points, but I'd rather a guy give his honest opinion than feel like he needs to be nice to GW so they still send them free stuff, which is really how this video felt. I watched the games and it did look like the format favours Goliaths... Was there stuff he could have done better? Yes, I'm sure. But he played 6 games and gave an honest opinion, and if he was salty about the results of the games then so be it.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Idiotic that he apologize. He told us what he thought about the game, so there was nothing to apologize for (even if I didn't agreed with most of what he said) Guess he was afraid of GW reaction.



Anyway, really don't like that some tactical cards are exclusive to ordering on the web site.
I won't get them, since I ordered from my LGS, so I hope I'm not missing mucch

I don't think her should have apologized - but if lots of people think the review was unfair (which they did) then it's going to harm your reputation and cost you viewers, so an "oops, that video was still whilst I was in the red mist" seems sensible.

Had a chance to read some of the fluff from the core rulebook, it's mostly older fluff slightly updated (not a bad thing imho!) and plenty of nods to really old stuff, like..

- Spook being found in old military supply bunkers
- Caryatid! The little blue-skinned cherubs are back!

Hives mentioned are:

- Palatine a.k.a. Hive Primus
-- Orbiting over Primus is the Eye of Selene, through which all orbital traffic goes (inefficient, but this is done so the ruling house gets its cut of the spoils, ALWAYS)
- Trazior a.k.a. the Three Sisters (Orlock and Goliath are fighting over this one)
- Acropolis, a merchant hive with strong Delaque presence
- The Temenos, headquarters of the Ecclesiarchy and has a spire called Sisters Tower where a convent of Sororitas reside, house Cawdor obviously
- Quinspirus Cluster, next to what used to be an ocean, its docks are now buried under the undercity
- The Skull, a destroyed hive now inhabited by things best left alone
- Hive Secundus, bombed into ruin after Genestealer infestation brought on by rogue Tech-priest biologus, couldn't be completely wiped out so the ruins are surrounded by massive trench lines and bunker systems manned by conscripts and penal troops, the Genestealers are still in there, fighting the feral human survivors
- Hive Mortis, once a production powerhouse, but brought low by a plague that wiped out most of its population, now recycles corpses as a massive resyk plant a-la Dredd
- Gothrul's Needle, used to be a spaceport under the sway of the worst enemy of the great Houses: democracy! Primus wages a shadow war against this hive, with Delaque doing most of the work in bringing them low

FLGS loaned me a copy of the core and campaign books to look over until it comes out. Having ran through the core book, I have to say that things look absolutely fantastic. They really put a lot of love into this revamp, the rules are a significant improvement over the original ruleset, and leaps and bounds beyond Shadow War.

I'm usually pretty critical of GW in most things, but they really hit this one out of the park. I desperately hope that Newcromunda is a big success, and really look forward to getting a league going in the new year.

Both gangs are looking like they'll be really fun to play, and I can't wait to see what's in store for the other gangs.

 Hragged wrote:
MWG Josh just posted an apology video for the way he handled his review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnhihILJXo

The day after the Miniwargaming owners were in Nottingham.

Why is it that influencers on social media are fined if they don't disclose that they are being paid to promote something, yet you-tubers aren't? MWG have obviously accepted cash or goods from a company, who in turn are asking for favorable content reviews.

 BrookM wrote:

- Acropolis, a merchant hive with strong Delaque presence

makes me silly hopeful....for new badmf Delaque goodies

I think it's fat more likely the crap get was getting all over different forums was the reason for it

 BrookM wrote:
Had a chance to read some of the fluff from the core rulebook, it's mostly older fluff slightly updated (not a bad thing imho!) and plenty of nods to really old stuff, like..

- Spook being found in old military supply bunkers
- Caryatid! The little blue-skinned cherubs are back!

Hives mentioned are:

- Palatine a.k.a. Hive Primus
-- Orbiting over Primus is the Eye of Selene, through which all orbital traffic goes (inefficient, but this is done so the ruling house gets its cut of the spoils, ALWAYS)
- Trazior a.k.a. the Three Sisters (Orlock and Goliath are fighting over this one)
- Acropolis, a merchant hive with strong Delaque presence
- The Temenos, headquarters of the Ecclesiarchy and has a spire called Sisters Tower where a convent of Sororitas reside, house Cawdor obviously
- Quinspirus Cluster, next to what used to be an ocean, its docks are now buried under the undercity
- The Skull, a destroyed hive now inhabited by things best left alone
- Hive Secundus, bombed into ruin after Genestealer infestation brought on by rogue Tech-priest biologus, couldn't be completely wiped out so the ruins are surrounded by massive trench lines and bunker systems manned by conscripts and penal troops, the Genestealers are still in there, fighting the feral human survivors
- Hive Mortis, once a production powerhouse, but brought low by a plague that wiped out most of its population, now recycles corpses as a massive resyk plant a-la Dredd
- Gothrul's Needle, used to be a spaceport under the sway of the worst enemy of the great Houses: democracy! Primus wages a shadow war against this hive, with Delaque doing most of the work in bringing them low

Ooooh, cool. At least if it turns out Hive Primus is too small for my wee bit of worldbuilding, I can use Quinspirus instead. However, the fact they seem to be drawing so heavily on Confrontation fluff makes me hopeful they stick with the bigger hive sizes from back then rather than the more modest version from Necromunda proper.

Thebiggesthat wrote:

 Hragged wrote:
MWG Josh just posted an apology video for the way he handled his review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnhihILJXo

The day after the Miniwargaming owners were in Nottingham.

Why is it that influencers on social media are fined if they don't disclose that they are being paid to promote something, yet you-tubers aren't? MWG have obviously accepted cash or goods from a company, who in turn are asking for favorable content reviews.

Don't think they're being paid per se, more likely a quid pro quo scenario where they agree to give a mostly fair but probably slightly softball review in exchange for continued access to pre-release review copies of upcoming product - in either case, they in fact do have to disclose that on youtube, and twitch, and anywhere; disclosure guidelines in both the UK and USA(and I assume EU since for the moment the UK pretty much only has proper regulations because we're still following EU law) are platform-agnostic, which is why I doubt they're being paid straight-up.

That said, to be honest in this case I don't blame GW for having a quiet word - there's a difference between doing a thorough, honest, but critical review, and making the product look bad because you bumbled through making mistakes and then shat on the product itself for the bad experience that was a result of your own failings. The former is the risk GW takes by sending out review copies, the latter is the reviewer failing to do their job properly, I don't see an issue with GW stepping in for a wee "shape up in future or no more review copies" in the latter case providing they accept the former with good grace, and folk who were critical of previous prerelease items still seem to be getting them.