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chaos0xomega wrote:
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Why "hopefully" not?

Because it's awful?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:


Aye I understand that, it just seems so close. The breaking of the fellowship happened at amon hen. Seems odd to have 2 sets for the exact same event.

Ambush at Amon Hen includes Lurtz, metal Uruk scouts, Uruks capturing Merry and Pippin, a dying Boromir, because it's designed for a scenario and several of the models are effectively tokens.

Breaking of the Fellowship set is purely the Fellowship at this time and includes fighting poses for just the Fellowship (or running poses in the case of Frodo and Sam), and includes Gandalf at Khazad Dum (who, at that time, the previous metal Khazad-Dum model had been discontinued when the metal Balrog was replaced with the plastic balrog). It also includes a more accurate Aragorn with his cloak (the first Ambush had been sculpted using only photos provided by New Line, and a set photo of Viggo in the reference material did not have his cloak on)

See that makes sense as an explanation

I would just like to point out as well, just so people dont think they're getting a mini they might already have, that BoftF Gandalf is NOT the same as Khazard-dum Gandalf. They're very similar in pose, but are different models.

 judgedoug wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?

Different poses - there's a ton of poses for many heroes and you can use what you prefer. Breaking of the Fellowship is just one of those vanity sets for those (of us) who love all the different sculpts and is no way required to play.
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15007

Many of the earlier "combo sets" (pre-2005) like, for example, Ambush at Amon Hen, were produced for specific scenarios that GW made for events depicted in the films as they were coming out.

Back when GW wasn't fixated on everything on plastic when this sort of thing was trivial.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

That doesn't make me wrong.

You saying "it is so because I say so!" doesn't make you right.

Increases odds of you being wrong though...

I am really looking forward to the BotF I was looking for that Aragorn for my Rangers/Grey Company Army for a long time

I dream of a day when all the people on dakkadakka who use the word subjective constantly are provided the chance to take an English class and a philosophy class, and finally learn what that word actually means. It is genuinely funny to see grown men keep doing this every time there's an argument over opinion.

I noticed the new Battlehosts up on Miniature Market. They didn't sell out right away or anything, I'm sure interest is quite limited compared to a 40K product, but as long as GW keeps them out there they could really expand their audience for the game.

I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.

I do believe the BoPF box and the new starter box is a great way to draw new players. If they change the box now and then and update the minis I can see it.

Sadly without the movies driving it it will be hard getting any new traction.

I doubt GW will every redo the old plastic kids. With the exception of character series and terrain I can't recall when the put out a plastic warriors box.

Even if they don't redo some of the old plastic that's fine, but please make some of the garbage finecast stuff plastic. Or even let Forgeworld do it.

zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.

I do believe the BoPF box and the new starter box is a great way to draw new players. If they change the box now and then and update the minis I can see it.

Sadly without the movies driving it it will be hard getting any new traction.

I doubt GW will every redo the old plastic kids. With the exception of character series and terrain I can't recall when the put out a plastic warriors box.

Even if they don't redo some of the old plastic that's fine, but please make some of the garbage finecast stuff plastic. Or even let Forgeworld do it.

I haven't been following the show, so I don't know the timelines until they get to the Last Alliance era (if that is even the plan). But, in 2-3 years replacing the starter with a new Last Alliance themed one with redone plastics for that (aka the original plastics, must be some of the oldest GW ones still in production) I could see being a winner.

@Dawnbringer

Agreed, I would love to see that.

The plastic Elrond spoiled, and the preview with him, give me hope. I also think that has a chance because the Men of Numenor are all metal and need plastics. The High Elf Spearmen are finecase. Those sprues are also terribly awkward because both Numenor and High Elves are on the same Sprue.

I do agree, it's possible and I'm holding out. If I can redo the battle of the Last Alliance in all plastic/FW I'll be happy. Plastic Sauron please??

If you watched the last Middle Earth life spoiler I feel like they hinted at a future Gil-galad. He will likely be FW but that's fine.

zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I do agree, it's possible and I'm holding out. If I can redo the battle of the Last Alliance in all plastic/FW I'll be happy. Plastic Sauron please??

If you watched the last Middle Earth life spoiler I feel like they hinted at a future Gil-galad. He will likely be FW but that's fine.

I would put money down on plastic High Elves and Numenoreans, but I would not put money down on _when_. The GW ME team on Facebook and on various streams have come as close as one possibly can to confirming it without actually confirming it.

Actual Numenoreans or a remake of the Last Alliance?

zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.

Pelennor Fields sold out the moment they were announced. GW putting focus on the game drives interest for sure.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.

Pelennor Fields sold out the moment they were announced. GW putting focus on the game drives interest for sure.

The Battlehost boxes are a fantastic buy-in point for new players, especially for the price. They are hard to say no to, even if you don't really think you're going to play the game. They are also the only "true" 25mm "traditional" fantasy minis line I know of - no heroic scaling, the orcs and goblins and trolls and ogres look like real creatures and not cartoonish caricatures like GW minis, the armor and clothing look like things people would actually wear, etc. so I expect that the minis also see use in other games using model-agnostic rulesets when people are looking for a slightly more "realistic" aesthetic.

 frankelee wrote:
I dream of a day when all the people on dakkadakka who use the word subjective constantly are provided the chance to take an English class and a philosophy class, and finally learn what that word actually means. It is genuinely funny to see grown men keep doing this every time there's an argument over opinion.

sub·jec·tive
/səbˈjektiv/
adjective
adjective: subjective
1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"

2. dependent on the mind or on an individual's perception for its existence.

3.GRAMMAR
relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used for the subject of a sentence.

noun: GRAMMAR
noun: subjective
the subjective case.

Nobody here that I can find has used the term incorrectly, unless you forget that definition 1 exists and think the only uses of the word "subjective" are definition 2 and 3 (in which case *you* would be wrong).

chaos0xomega wrote:
Nobody here that I can find has used the term incorrectly...

And that my friend is why you all continue to fail.

I guess the dictionary is not the language the same way the map is not the terrain. Not that it doesn't accurately define it the word, it very much does.

 frankelee wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Nobody here that I can find has used the term incorrectly...

And that my friend is why you all continue to fail.

I guess the dictionary is not the language the same way the map is not the terrain. Not that it doesn't accurately define it the word, it very much does.

Nah, you're just full of it.

On Topic: The battlehosts were at a local store I came into today and the box itself is much smaller than I thought it would be.

Neat profile for them tho.

 frankelee wrote:
And that my friend is why you all continue to fail.

I guess the dictionary is not the language the same way the map is not the terrain. Not that it doesn't accurately define it the word, it very much does.

What are you talking about? You've confused the hell outta me.

It's really disheartening the BotF is $90. What the hell GW!!!
When it was originally released it was probably $35-40. That was standard then.

Not really surprising with how screwed everything is at the moment and for the forseeable. And still infintely cheaper than hunting the sculpts down indvidually.

Yeah for as much as I'm going to hate paying $125 for BotF, I'd end up paying double that easily if I tried to find them all individually. These sculpts aren't as common as other Fellowship sculpts and they tend to go for more.

zombie_sky_diver wrote:
It's really disheartening the BotF is $90. What the hell GW!!!
When it was originally released it was probably $35-40. That was standard then.

Yeah it was $75 usd when it was on MTO in early 2019, so a 20% increase. Still cheaper than scalpers, but this also means after the MTO the scalpers have a new higher base price!

GW says my BOTF I ordered on Friday has already shipped, they must’ve had some ready to go.

I received mine this past Friday, Sep. 30th.

Mine arrived this past friday too, along with Old Bilbo.

That always happens with mto's. They just make X amount of stock and when they sell through, then they go made to order.

Yeah I left my order until the 2nd. Partly I forgot about it, partly I was waiting to see if they dropped one last kit.

Guess I'm gonna be one of those people who gets there's at the end of the 180 days.

Far Harad, Isildur and more return next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/09/sunday-preview-kill-team-expands-middle-earth-heroes-return-and-new-hobby-tools/?fbclid=IwAR0h4_b4jR8RC58nU5pBawKux_b5FG3zpp7qei12wNqe29bMWyt053eugSQ

Yeah far harad finally!!!

Just a heads up, Waylands' got a black friday sale going on and among the things are the newer kits and battlehosts. The battlehosts especially at £36

https://www.waylandgames.co.uk/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/92724-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-minas-tirith-battlehost?fbclid=IwAR2lMxewEBNVLJTvvgnnFvg-Uu_SfqF0bcQG49OiaX1YPzITxsPs3NcgGGk