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I have heard now from two different sources that with the release of the codex for large battles (cannot remember its name) that there will be a plastic baneblade and a titan. Baneblade will be about $65, which I suppose is about the most average joe will spend for a tank.

Is it just rumors gathering momentum or has anyone else heard anything? I know there have been posts about the plastic baneblade before, but a titan?

I seriously doubt that GW will be able to produce a Baneblade kit for a mere $65.00. I expect it to be much higher.

Posted By Breotan on 02/17/2007 10:43 AM
I seriously doubt that GW will be able to produce a Baneblade kit for a mere $65.00. I expect it to be much higher.

They can produce it for that much. It is whether or not they will sell it for that much. I think for general GW stuff (not including FW) I think I would be loathe to spend more than $70 for one model - buying a land raider makes me twtich a little bit.

Baneblade is much larger and more "involved" model than a Land Raider. LR's are what, 50? 55 bucks? Expecting a Baneblade to be only 10 dollers more is niave. In any event, the plastic baneblade is wishful thinking on the part of the fan base, mainly because someone at GW said they "wanted" to do one. I've yet to see anything concrete about it and doubt it's even on the table. I've not heard anyone suggest a plastic Titan is in the works at all.

Well most model tanks from other companys cost any where from 40 to 70 dollars these( Dragon,Revell/Mongram, Ertile, Tamyia) . IF GW is going too but out a model tank like baneblade its going too be Well over a hundred dollars( its twice the size of a landraider)

And at $50-55 the Land Raider is ludicrously overpriced when compared to similarly scaled armor models, especially when compared to Tamiya, Dragon, Academy and other top end manufacturers. While fanbois might find a $100 plastic Baneblade a deal compared to the resin version, the broader market won't touch it. I know I won't. But if priced at $65, sure, I'll take three!

edit: Actually, you can get 1/35 kits by those manufacturers for $25-$50 MSRP, more if it's a particularly huge kit with resin accessories, photo etched frets, and so on so forth. Then, considering that 28mm is ostensibly 1/56 scale, with 1/48 being closer to GW's heroic proportions, the 1/35 models are much bigger kits and using the closer comparison and more similarly scaled 1/48 kits the prices run an average MSRP of $30.

They could release a $65-$80 Baneblade but just raise the prices on everything else to compensate.

Anyway, if the plastic Baneblade/Stompa/etc. do become realities, I see them being in the same price bracket as Battleforces.

BYE

I've got no idea what their costs to produce models are. With the new CAD program they've got running, it might actually be fairly cheap for them to produce.

I personally run Catia V5 and SDRC Ideas at home, two very powerful automotive CAD packages. To knock out a fictional vehicle in a 3D modelling program is simplicity itself....hell I could do it like tomorrow....hey, why didn't I think of that?!?!?

Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 02/17/2007 12:46 PM
And at $50-55 the Land Raider is ludicrously overpriced when compared to similarly scaled armor models, especially when compared to Tamiya, Dragon, Academy and other top end manufacturers. While fanbois might find a $100 plastic Baneblade a deal compared to the resin version, the broader market won't touch it. I know I won't. But if priced at $65, sure, I'll take three!

edit: Actually, you can get 1/35 kits by those manufacturers for $25-$50 MSRP, more if it's a particularly huge kit with resin accessories, photo etched frets, and so on so forth. Then, considering that 28mm is ostensibly 1/56 scale, with 1/48 being closer to GW's heroic proportions, the 1/35 models are much bigger kits and using the closer comparison and more similarly scaled 1/48 kits the prices run an average MSRP of $30.

<hands you golf clubs and tissues>

The large scale war thing has been in the works for quite some time now. Thats the reason why GW is pimping the battle forces so much as of late. It is supposed to be in the next level of warfare, kinda like a large scale version of epic, but with 28mm. Of course it won't do them any good to try to Pwn us all when the tanks, large scale stuff, and FW are already specializing, but it will be a nice change from the old basic player vs player game. You'll be able to pit four on four type situations, Meat grinders, and straight up planetary campaign style hell, and all of the other things one would do with a 4X8 table full of tanks, stompa's, greater deamons, etc. This little project is that talk of the local GW shop, and the redshirts all sound like its thier little secret.

Personally Im a bit skeptical of the whole thing, but then again we are talking about GW.
I hope they go back and come up with a bonifide version of a schermish game. I'd much rather go for it with a squad or two instead of worrying about wasting all of that time placing fifty or sixty squads, multiple tank platoons, and other such things, just to as quickly pull them off the board as casualties.

I fought a titan a long time ago, and i still remember what it looked like when a chaos wolfhound starts stomping across the table, and your not fast enough to get out of the way.
As for the prices, I don't know, but seeing as a Land Raider is upping up to around 50-60, I don't see any reason to believe that the others would be any less.

from what I've seen, baneblades aren't that much bigger than land raiders, I'd be willing to shell out $70 for one

Baneblades make a raider look like a go-cart.
The problem i have with it all is the plastic in a raider is worth about 2 bucks. If they do make a baneblade it will be no less than 100 (just guessing here) and will sell just as well as anything else. When GW figures out that they would make more money with lower prices and selling more i think ill fall over dead.

Posted By 5thelement on 02/17/2007 5:48 PM
When GW figures out that they would make more money with lower prices and selling more i think ill fall over dead.

How 'bout The Battle for Macragge selling for $45?

I think the Battleforce price for the Baneblade sounds more than reasonable.
I'd pay it, and eventually will. It is one of the large plastic kits that is actually complete and doing test runs, not just rumors like the titan and stompa etc.

Posted By blackdog on 02/17/2007 9:03 PM

Posted By 5thelement on 02/17/2007 5:48 PM
When GW figures out that they would make more money with lower prices and selling more i think ill fall over dead.

How 'bout The Battle for Macragge selling for $45?

Congratulations on finding the exception.  Would you like a cookie?

i want to see an official pic before i jump on the "OMG PLASTIC BANEBLADE FTW!!!! " bandwagon.

But, if/when i do see such pic, I hope there's a seat left for me.

Ohhh, but wait for the rules.

In what reality would people pay $15 (or thereabouts) for a single plastic weapon? In the reality where Assault Cannons are Heavy4 Rending, that's where. Hell, I bought two whole sprues to get my Assault Cannons (before BWBits was around), and I'm sure many others did as well.



Then you'd just need one of those 3D "printer" things. They're only about $20k each, plus the cost of the "ink." Just think, in a mere 400 Baneblades or so, you'd be ahead of the $100 pricetag!

Seriously though, I want one: http://www.zcorp.com/home.asp

Prints in 3D, prints in color. Not only can you make your models, you can make them painted.

G.W. IS gearing up for large scale battles in the near future. Things to look for in the near future: plastic Baneblades, buy 2 get one free tank sales, plastic drop pods @ the beginning of next year, and of course the new Chaos dex, in oct, or november, can't remember which. I've heard a new race is scheduled too, but no rumors on what it'll be.

Posted By Phryxis on 02/18/2007 10:44 AM
Ohhh, but wait for the rules.

You mean the rules where non-skimmers with an AV don't crash and burn like a Ford Pinto in a rear collision?

GW would need to produce a large vehicle for every race, near enough, in order to provide the next level of gaming for Apocalypse.

Chaos would be easy with a conversion sprue for a chaos Baneblade
Orks should have plastic battlewagons.
Eldar coul d have a plastic super heavy tank too.

Thast would be the minimum.

http://www.zcorp.com/news/gallerydetail510.asp?ID=4

OMG it's a Squig...

Posted By Orlanth on 02/18/2007 2:57 PM
GW would need to produce a large vehicle for every race, near enough, in order to provide the next level of gaming for Apocalypse.

Well, that's easy enough.

1. Space Marines, Imperial Guard, and Inquisition forces are all covered by the Imperial Baneblade.
2. Chaos could just use the existing spiky sprues to make a Chaos Baneblade.
3. Orks could use bits from the upcoming modular vehicle kit to make a looted Baneblade.
4. Tau could have a Gue'vesa Baneblade.
5. Tyranids could have a Genestealer Cult Baneblade.
6. Necrons could have a traitor Adeptus Mechanicus Baneblade.
7. Eldar and Dark Eldar could have an allied Harlequin Baneblade.

Baneblades for everyone!

Abadabadoobaddon, your post remind me of the new Fantasy giant release, where every army was fielding one...

"Ha! You've got a giant? I have TWO!"

Posted By Lordhat on 02/18/2007 12:15 PM
G.W. IS gearing up for large scale battles in the near future. Things to look for in the near future: plastic Baneblades, buy 2 get one free tank sales, plastic drop pods @ the beginning of next year, and of course the new Chaos dex, in oct, or november, can't remember which. I've heard a new race is scheduled too, but no rumors on what it'll be.

Come on now!

I've heard all of the other rumors listed here a few times over.

All, that is, except for the "new race" one!

You're making that up, aren't you?

(Of course, I'm the only one who took the bait...)

You realize they don't *have* to make a superheavy for everyone. Some races could make do with a "X number" of heavy support choices per Superheavy slot instead.

Also - if you open up "close support flyers" as a possible "superheavy type choice" for army production - that opens up a lot of possibilities... Flyers acting in VTOL close support act would probably act a *lot* like skimmers (normal or fast as to preference)as far as the 40k rules go. Throw in a rule mechanic similar to the swooping hawks depart and return and you have the effect of VTOL close support pretty much nailed down. Think helicopter gunship loitering over the battlefield to lay down fire. ..

Space Marines - Thunderhawk. If they can prototype this from a forge world model - they'd be stupid not to. Practically a license to print money. Just about every marine player I know personally would buy one just to have one if they were plastic and ddin't cost the proverbial arm and a leg...

IG - Baneblade.

IG/Inquisitional/Drop troops - Valkyrie. See Thunderhawk comments. A plastic Valkyrie would *scream* off the shelves. Heck - I can see it being one of the better selling models up there with the Rhino. Non-GW players would buy them because of coolness. Careful sprue design could also unlock the possibility of a plastic Vulture for extra bonus points... (wings, nose, cockpit, landing hardware are all the same between the two. Differences are rear hull, tail and engines.)

Chaos - Couple of possibilities. Chaos tainted Baneblade. Demon engines.

Eldar - Revenant Titan or Scorpion II - either of which would likely do well enough.

Orks - Stompa... nuff said.

Tyranids - could do the Hierodule - but they might be better served doing the "extra heavy support thing"

Really - only three races don't have a superheavy niche *easily* filled.

Necron Monoliths are already borderline superheavy and the Necron mythos doesn't really have anything much bigger suitable for inclusion in 40k yet. Luckily - the Monolith is fairly tough - just give the necrons the ability to add a couple extra and suddenly the fleshlings are looking at some seriously bad days...

The Tau generally apply their "superheavy" class fire support via non-vtol aircraft, so that would be a bit of a stretch to add any of them to 40k. I'd really hate to see the Tau get a giant mecha... so I'd lean towards a couple more HS choices thematically...

Dark Eldar - er... I have no idea.... DE are in the same boat as a tau - not really "superheavy" types.

Anyways - even though my GW purchasing has slowed to a trickle - this may be one of the few ways to encourage me back into "the hobby".

"Dark Eldar - er... I have no idea.... DE are in the same boat as a tau - not really "superheavy" types."


There aren't enough DE players to financially justify making a Super-Heavy kit for them anyway, so it's a moot point.

Posted By keichi246 on 02/19/2007 7:58 AM

IG/Inquisitional/Drop troops - Valkyrie. See Thunderhawk comments. A plastic Valkyrie would *scream* off the shelves. Heck - I can see it being one of the better selling models up there with the Rhino. Non-GW players would buy them because of coolness. Careful sprue design could also unlock the possibility of a plastic Vulture for extra bonus points... (wings, nose, cockpit, landing hardware are all the same between the two. Differences are rear hull, tail and engines.)

I would club a granny like a baby seal if she put her liver-spotted hands on a plastic Valkyrie before me.   ") A droptroop army is a dream that is yet achievable with this, but alas, I may be a gramps before it sees light, if ever.  I will probably win Powerball before that ever happens. 

The Tau generally apply their "superheavy" class fire support via non-vtol aircraft, so that would be a bit of a stretch to add any of them to 40k. I'd really hate to see the Tau get a giant mecha... so I'd lean towards a couple more HS choices thematically...

The Tau have a super-heavy flier (Manta?  I think...) that is their "equivalent" to a Titan.  Forgeworld makes it and it is freakin' 'uge!

Posted By SisterJoey on 02/19/2007 8:39 AM

"Dark Eldar - er... I have no idea.... DE are in the same boat as a tau - not really "superheavy" types."

The Tau have a super-heavy flier (Manta?  I think...) that is their "equivalent" to a Titan.  Forgeworld makes it and it is freakin' 'uge!

Tau players outnumber DE players by an order of magnitude.