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Nothing says fun like close combat Carnifexes, but they need something extra to make them a tactical threat.  I don't think it needs to have any guns or anything but what do you think of

Carnifex Drop Pod
- It's a drop pod
- identical to Space Marine pod without the gun

I'd say 25 points since I'd say Dreadnought + drop pod > Carnifex + drop pod but either or

Alternatively you could have a burrowing biomorph where the carni can pay 15/20 points to tunnel

The cheapest carni you can make is 96 w/ RC and ST so 20 point biomorph makes it 116 points so heavy only, which is appropriate.

I'm rather compelled by the image of a Carnifex dropping on the Battlefield from high atmosphere... too slapstical for my taste.

How about just give him a Biomorph for Fleeting? (Leaping would look strange imo)

Greets
Schepp himself

1: Since when isn't a Carnifex a tactical threat? I suppose a purely close combat Carnifex gets little respect these days, but who wants a melee army in 4th ed anyway?

2: On what planet of crazy is a Dreadnought better than a Carnifex?

3: 25 point Space Marine drop pods are too cheap as it is, gun or no gun. This is not something that should be emulated.

I want a melee Carnifex for my melee Tyranids!!!

But i have to agree, the Carnifex in its current incarnation is far more feared that the Dreadnought, even with Assaultcannon.

Greets
Schepp himself

Yeah, I'm not seeing why Carnis should get to drop pod in either, especially from an unbalanced rules front as well as it's not being really fluffy. I could see the return of seed lists composed of all small bugs (though they would definitely need a price increase), but not Carnis from the Sky.

But i have to agree, the Carnifex in its current incarnation is far more feared that the Dreadnought, even with Assaultcannon.

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That is completely Laughable.  A CC Carnifex can usually just be ignored, like all the other sad foot slogger assaulting units! Only the shooting kind are even a concern, the dakkafex and the venom cannon strangler combo, but with their marginal antitank capabilities and amazing handicap in escalation, theyre not very good either.

...why Carnis should get to drop pod in either, especially from an unbalanced rules front as well as it's not being really fluffy...

unbalanced rules? like 35 point dread pods...

not fluffy? Mycetic spores are already in the fiction.  MYCETIC SPORE=DROP POD, tyranids come from space remember? But there really isnt any point arguing about fluff, if it doesn't "Feel Right" to you I wont be able to convince you.

I love the idea for drop pods for tyranids, a few months ago I proposed the same rule myself, not just for carnifexes but for all tyranids!  While concerns about "feels right" are entirely subjective theres no denying  they already layed the ground work with the mycetic spore tyranid army in black and white...

Yea, it's a great idea.

I agree nyarly, the seeding swarm was the way I would play Tyranids.  While Zilla nids are the best build, I dislike the way the army functions and looks.  I hope that when 40k eventually gets a rules re-write there will be a toning down of skimmers and monsters and a revitalization of ground infantry and tanks. 

Yeah, I think it's a great idea too, and thanks for the responses.  It's a shame they made the great Carnifex kit and yet the more interesting biomorphs are limited in effect.  A 180+ point monster should make you go DAMN when it shows up on the table.

In my opinion, I don't think any kind of fleet rule is a good idea.  That's what raveners are for.  I could live with leaping if it was expensive and the save was put down to 4+.  Very aliens.

And yeah I agree it doesn't violate the fluff much.  Tyranids are pretty much just all consuming space monsters.  I don't even think they eat or breathe oxygen it's more like they just exyme everything.-

With reference to the dread vs carni -- Dreadnoughts are better armed, not just assault cannons but lascannons and missile launchers.  Carnifexes have more wounds.  I just keep shooting carnifexes until they go down, they're only T6.  If you have enough guns; you can even ignore them till they're on your doorstep, which has to be very irritating for an opponent.  With dreads, being a vehicle -- yeah they could pop first shot.  They could also pop smoke, make it into combat and eat your face for the rest of the game.

Mycetic Spores have been in Tyranid fluff for as long as I can remember. They are drop-pods, so saying 'Nids with pods is unfluffy is just plain wrong.

I just don't see why it should be limited to Carnifexes. Lots of Tyranid creatures should be able to get Mycetic Spores.

BYE

For as many points as it takes to make a hand to hand carnifex thats worth a crap, they are about useless at their current speed. They are fairly easy to just ignore and rarely make up their points other than to just create a huge point sink.

Since carnifexes are basically the enraged pyscho killer tanks of the nids, what about giving them a rule like arco flagellents have, where they get an extra D6 inches of movement a turn, but if they roll a 6, they take a wound with no save? You could regenerate the wound if you buy the biomorph, but that puts you into a heavy category and makes you that much more expensive....opinions? It could also be an upgrade for twenty points or something...

I always thought about taping a bunch of Gaunts around a Fex and shoothing him at the planet. The Guants burn off in reentry and the impact would cause a giant explosion. I think it would be fun.

If Carnifexes are so much worse than Dreads, why isn't the Nidzilla list tournament ready and the dreadzilla list wasn't even really discussed yet?

Don't get me wrong though, I love the idea of dropping Tyranids from outta space (or from the underground...or from "under the sea...(sing)")
I already love to drop spore mines from outta space on the heads of my enemies...

Greets
Schepp himself

Well, if you wanted a fast CC Carnifex, why not have a "quadreped" biomorph? Have the biomorph give the Carni the Beast movement rules, but as an offset, have it take up one of the weapon slots.

EDIT: didn't Pete Henious put together a Mycetic Spore list in CA?

got this great mental image of a carnifez being pushed off then side of a ship and plumeeting down at an isnane speed. Oooooooooooooh cra.. hr hits an imperial bunker ands smashes it to smitherines killing the guardsmen. The hivetyrant on board the ship turns to his gauts. Good work boys but next time try to remember the drop pod ok.