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Plastic Devastator Bitz

Thanks to BattleWagon Bits for pics of the individual new bitz, many of which I didn't know about.  Plastic servo skulls (x2), pointy powerfist, gesturing chainsword arm, detail of the plastic heavy weapons ...

Actually fairly impressed with the set now, especially if it comes with the command sprue and a kneely leg or two.

- Boss Salvage

Very nice. I like the extra non-essential details- it's nice they put that on the sprues as well. Applause for the sculptor, even if I don't like the bare head or plasma cannon

Damn, I wish we had something like that in Germany...I would buy that shop empty! Empty, I tell you!

Greets
Schepp himself

Hey thats pretty cool!

Start the Teutonic chapter of BWBitz.

Currently the Lascannon bitz are $4.49.  If they stay that way, it's safe to say that the plastic Dev kit (thanks to BWBits) is now also a more affordable way to get single Lascannons.  That'd undermine one of the major complaints people have had.

I bet you could get five-fifty for the lascannon, easy.

Sadly, I just don't have much interest to paint more marines, even ones as nice as these look.

Good job BWB. I might have to come there soon.

But what if I just want to buy half a lascannon barrel?  Then I'm SoL.

You could find that special someone who needs the other half, and bingo bango bongo, you have a soulmate!

Somebody is bound to want to model a big Nid with a scenic base depicting a Dev Marine, half buried in the slime of the hive.

You just have to find that person while there's still time.

Posted By Phryxis on 02/21/2007 3:36 PM
That'd undermine one of the major complaints people have had.

Yes. An internet reseller charging a premium for Lascannon bits is sure to undermine a completely legitimate complaint about not being able to purchase Heavy Weapons separately from GW.

Although I can already suspect what your responce will be, I have to ask - do you actually read what you post before you post it Phryxis?

BYE

Posted By H.B.M.C. on 02/22/2007 5:12 AM

Posted By Phryxis on 02/21/2007 3:36 PM
That'd undermine one of the major complaints people have had.

Yes. An internet reseller charging a premium for Lascannon bits is sure to undermine a completely legitimate complaint about not being able to purchase Heavy Weapons separately from GW.

You mean like this individually like this from the GW website?

http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=300876&orignav=300866&GameNav=10

Nice try, but I don't see half-lascannons in there!

Not to mention the plastics haven't actually been released yet. When looking at the at the main "Space Marine" store splash page, it only lists the current current metal+plastic Devastator box & Multi Melta dev blister, to find the other Devastator blisters one has to dig through the clunky webstore a bit and click the "Heavy Support" link in the sidebar, where they appear. I expect that once the new all-plastic Devs are released, the current line will disappear just like the metal scouts did when the craptacular plastics scouts came out.

Were the Blisters always 10$ in The US and A?

Teutonic Battlewagon Bits....mhhh...I will think about that.

Greets
Schepp himself

I think they jumped from $8 to $10 about three/four years ago, the same time that cavalry blisters did, but I might be wrong.

A Lascannon costs $10. BWBits wants about $5 for the Lascannon bitz. Then all you need to build a Lascannon Dev is head, legs, torso. I'm sure you can get that for much less than $5 difference.

So, you're going to be paying closer to $7-$8 for a Lascannon Dev, singly.  The only difference here is that it's plastic (which most people seem to like), and you have to be aware of BW Bits.

It would appear that you can get exactly what you need for less than you used to have to spend.

Is it really that important to you to buy from GW rather than BW Bits?

Yet again, wondering how I'm the troll.

From GW: lascannon blister = $10
From BWB: Lascannon = $3.75
Head = 17c (pack of 10 for $1.75)
torso = 99c
legs = $1.99
back pack = 25c (pack of 10 for $2.49)
Total: $7.17
Why buy from GW? Why even talk about GW?
Iv stopped buying from GW altogether, I get what I need from BWB for less $$

Posted By Phryxis on 02/22/2007 1:11 PM
So, you're going to be paying closer to $7-$8 for a Lascannon Dev, singly.  The only difference here is that it's plastic (which most people seem to like), and you have to be aware of BW Bits.

Or, to put it another way, to buy a single Lascannon you have to mail order it from a different company. You are actually unable to buy said item from the company that makes it.

All your argument does Phryxis is undermine itself. Not being able to buy HW's separately from GW is a big problem. It means you have no choice, and if you want a single of anything you have to buy a whole box. 'But a reseller on the internets has it!!!' doesn't cut it.

BYE

Although I can already suspect what your responce will be, I have to ask - do you actually read what you post before you post it Phryxis?

Whoa! Reading what you post BEFORE you actually post it?

Weird...

Has Phryxis got access to some sort of time travel tech?

HBMC, did you even look at all the links posted? Old thread on this was closed, but all of the issues people were complaining about in that thread have indeed been solved.

According to White Dwarf the Devastator box is $35 for the awesome deal of 8 heavy weapons, in plastic. I (and just about everybody else) was expecting it to stay $45 which still would have been worth it IMHO becuase MOST people hate the plastic/metal hybrid weapons (yes, we all know you liked them). Comparing old Devastator Box to new box, this is the best deal since Battle for Skull pass.

Say you already have an army, or don't want all those extra heavy weapons. If you want a single plastic heavy weapon trooper, you can get them for about $8 through BW bits. Now for those people out there who preferr the old hybrid models, or if you have a problem with BW bits, you can still get the old ones via GW mail order for the same price they've been for the past few years. Perhaps they will go up and become "collectors models", maybe they'll even disappear entirely, but right now you have 2 differant ways of getting the hybrids and plastics, and one of those ways is through GW itself.

I fail to see how GW releaseing a plastic version of the worst models in the entire line to assemble (worse than speeders and LRCs, IMHO), for $10 LESS than the current metal hybrid box, AND having the old ones still available can be considered screwing over the little man. I love pissing and moaning about GW as much as the next guy, especially now that I've got the DA codex and seen with my own eyes how absolutely screwed my pure Deathwing army is, but this box is one of the greatest that GW has ever released. Kudos to them.

I don't think my argument undermines itself. I think my argument is probably pretty hard to accept when your sole intent is to find it unacceptable.

People were upset that they couldn't get single Lascannons. The problem is, they can.

People were upset that they had to pay more to get a Lascannon than before. The problem is they don't have to.

Yes, you have to deal with BWBits if you want to get single Lascannons for less than the price of the old blisters. If you don't find that acceptable, you don't find that acceptable. I think it's just fine.

I just don't see how people can argue that they can't get something when they clearly can.

Posted By Phryxis on 02/22/2007 4:11 PM
Yes, you have to deal with BWBits if you want to get single Lascannons for less than the price of the old blisters. If you don't find that acceptable, you don't find that acceptable. I think it's just fine.

except that you DON"T have to deal with BW bits, if you check the link earlier ALL of the old weapons are still available through GW mail order. And if you order through a GW store or FLGS you don't even have to pay shipping. HBMC's entire complaint, which wasn't all that big a deal to begin with for most people, is null and void. The singles are still available, and apparently have been all this time (if a little hard to find). If GW makes the individual blisters unavailable even through mail order, then he'll have a valid complaint again.

Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 02/22/2007 9:14 AM

I expect that once the new all-plastic Devs are released, the current line will disappear just like the metal scouts did when the craptacular plastics scouts came out.

FYI, the metal scouts are all still available both on the UK and US sites. Although on the US site it was quite a bit harder to find them.

store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us

 

 

 

Posted By Kalamadea on 02/22/2007 4:19 PM
If GW makes the individual blisters unavailable even through mail order, then he'll have a valid complaint again.

If GW's recent trend with removing blisters and going for a boxed version is anything to go by, then we won't have blistered heavy weapons - only a box.

If they keep blistered weapons, even just as a mail-order item, then fine, but at the moment their track record seems to say otherwise. Just look at Eldar Exarchs. You can't buy them anywhere except in a box.

Look, this is one of those situations where I'd be quite happy to be proven wrong, but I don't trust GW at all. It is extremely likely that they'll screw everyone over and force you to buy a box to get any single HW that you want.

Which brings me to my original point of Phryxis' argument being full of holes. Having the ability to bitz order plastic parts from a completely different company doesn't, in any way, make the problem with not having access to single HW's from the parent company go away. The problem is still there.

BYE

Posted By yakface on 02/22/2007 8:00 PM

Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 02/22/2007 9:14 AM

I expect that once the new all-plastic Devs are released, the current line will disappear just like the metal scouts did when the craptacular plastics scouts came out.

FYI, the metal scouts are all still available both on the UK and US sites. Although on the US site it was quite a bit harder to find them.

store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us

Ah, very good. I should have mentioned that I was speaking of GWUS (it's ridiculous to order from GWUK from the states given the current weakness of the dollar), and I hadn't otherwise been able to find the metal scouts on the US site at all, so kudos for that find. I do wonder if they recently re-added them in the past couple months as I would've sworn I did a site search for scouts sometime in November/December.

I do wonder how long they'll stay "off the rails" but in the store though. Ditto with the metal devs once the plastic set actually becomes available (assuming BWBitz is getting their bitz from preordered boxes that are being broken down). Though so long as the metal bitz are available, I'll gladly pay the $7 or so for the gun/pack/arm in metal to get exactly what I want and how I want it (ie: no split barrels).

The current version of the Exarchs were never available in a blister. So, really this isn't any indication of their track record regarding the cancellation of existing blister packs.



How exactly will they force you to do that? Is there some reason you can't shop at BWBits that I'm not understanding?

Are you just so hung up on the idea that GW would "screw you" that you can't be comforted with the knowledge that BWBits now allows you to get any Dev you want for about 25% less than they used to cost?

GW is offering the new Devs box for LESS than the previous. It comes with MORE weapon choices, MORE extra bitz, and it's in plastic, which many people favor. Why are people still angry? Isn't this entering the realm of haterism?



No. The problem is getting the exact Devs you want at a reasonable price. But you just HAD to insult me for some reason, and now that it's become clear that I was correct and you weren't, you're pretending that it's of critical importance that you be able to buy models directly from GW, rather than swallow your pride and let it lie.

The real problem that people were speaking to, the one that I was addressing in my original post, is the inability to get single Devs, and to get them for what we used to (or less). Thanks to BWBits, we can do both.

But, you can't accept that. Instead you're pretending that anyone (besides you) cares where they get the bits, and moreover you're pretending that when I said "one of the major complaints people have had," you're allowed to decide what complaint I was referring to.

That's not how it works. You don't get to misconstrue what I say, fabricate meanings, and then demand that my arguments hold up to your imagination.

I've been polite with you to this point, but it's beginning to get ridiculous. You decided to insult me for reasons only understood in your sad, angry little head. It's ok, I let it go for three posts. Be a big boy and admit you were mistaken and we can move on. Or, hell, just shut up about it, and let it die.