Knight Models: Latest releases: League of Shadows pg59/60

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**LunarSol**

Licensed wargames just seem like a problem. Model production is a pretty failure prone business to begin with before you take into account licensing fees and restrictions.

**TheWaspinator**

It doesn't help when it's a licensed game being made by a small company. Companies like Hasbro have tons of people to deal with legal licensing issues. Knight Models probably has one guy on it.

**LunarSol**

I did the kickstarter for the Mega Man board game (terrible game, but the lovely prepainted models was all I was after) and Jasco did a really nice job explaining the licensing process without using it as an excuse or getting hostile with Capcom about it. It was genuinely interesting to see the kind of design notes they were getting and seemed to treat them more as "this is what we need to do to get it perfect" than "this is something holding us back".

It still just seems like a losing prospect most of the time. I get it when it comes to superheroes; there's really no way to compete with the icons, but for the most part it just seems like a bad road to follow, not unlike licensed video games.

**Kamsm8**

I wouldn't call it a completely losing prospect - it can definitely make the game feel way different than non-licenses ones. For instance, this game seems to have way more 'cinematic' moments than 40k/Fantasy/Infinity, as did the Lord of the Rings game by GW. It also helps the immersion - most of the time, you know these characters going in. It's way easier to imagine a reason that Batman needs to beat up Joker than it is to figure out why this random assortment of Nomads are fighting PanO in some random city while stealing motor cycles out of a closet.

**Howard A Treesong**

Did the Arkham Knight drone tanks ever get released? They’re pictured in the rule book but seem to have vanished without trace.

**drazz**

No drone tanks yet.

Raven, also from the Flash/Arrow book, was just teased this week, with cards out today. She will be available next month.

Hawk and Dove have also been seen in the book, but have not been released.

**The Warp Forge**

Surprised that Harry Potters latest news has not been mentioned...

Well Harry Potter was going to be a KS but they just announced on FB a few days ago that its just going to be an exclusive pre-order on the KM Website.

**AduroT**

There’s a whole seperate thread for Potter where this has been discussed.

**rybackstun**

I doubt I'll ever play BMG again, as there is no community for it out here, but I've always been super interested in those tanks. Are they any good?

Scarecrow Militia is one of my favorite Gangs and I do plan on building up at least a Display force of them and those Tanks would look hella good with them.

**Aeneades**

The Militia tanks were never released and at this point I am not sure if they ever will be.

**angel of death 007**

I made my own with my 3d printer

Have yet to try them. It is a shame that there is not more support because both the superheros one and batman are great skirmish games

**Rygnan**

Aeneades wrote:
The Militia tanks were never released and at this point I am not sure if they ever will be.

I know you aren't a member, but in the Support Group (old ACL, it's a stupid name change but whatever) a few of the playtesters have been throwing around that the vehicle rules are being tested and updated to 2nd edition. It's pretty likely we'll see the Militia tanks when those rules are out, probably alongside the DCEU Batmobile that's been teased in the compendium. I think we're in a Raven sort of scenario here, with a model that's been shown for a while, but the rules just aren't out so it'd be pointless to release the model

That then begs the question though, why didn't they get released in 1st edition? I obviously can't answer that one

**The Warp Forge**

Rygnan wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
The Militia tanks were never released and at this point I am not sure if they ever will be.

I know you aren't a member, but in the Support Group (old ACL, it's a stupid name change but whatever) a few of the playtesters have been throwing around that the vehicle rules are being tested and updated to 2nd edition. It's pretty likely we'll see the Militia tanks when those rules are out, probably alongside the DCEU Batmobile that's been teased in the compendium. I think we're in a Raven sort of scenario here, with a model that's been shown for a while, but the rules just aren't out so it'd be pointless to release the model

That then begs the question though, why didn't they get released in 1st edition? I obviously can't answer that one

Only thing I can think is to add more meat to the AK Campaign book as well as adding rules to the Batmobile in its 50 shades...

**tpryan01**

rybackstun wrote:
I doubt I'll ever play BMG again, as there is no community for it out here, but I've always been super interested in those tanks. Are they any good?

Scarecrow Militia is one of my favorite Gangs and I do plan on building up at least a Display force of them and those Tanks would look hella good with them.

I just found out about a lite supers game called "Super mission force" that I am going to e using my DC and BMG stuff with (as well as my metric ton of Heroclix)

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/211788/Super-Mission-Force

**BigDaddio**

I'm curious to know something from those with more experience dealing with Knight Models. From what I've read, it seems they have some problems with inconsistent casting quality. I know that happens, especially with resin models. It also sounds like KM is very slow to respond to emails reporting defects when they arise (if they respond at all). What I want to know is, when they do respond to a report of defective product how is it resolved? Do they require a photo like most companies, or do they make you send it back to Spain?

I ask because how they word the "Right of Withdrawal" notice on their webshop. It sounds like they expect defective merchandise to be returned to them no later than 14 days after receipt if there is a problem, after which they will replace if possible (and refund if not possible to replace). Has this always been their policy?

For those who haven't seen it, here's the wording on the notice:

"Right of withdrawal

The right of the User to withdraw the purchase made through the Online Store is acknowledged, and, therefore, if he or she is not satisfied, and provided that the nature of the acquired Product so permits, he or she can return the Product within a maximum period of fourteen (14) calendar days starting from the date of the delivery of the order to the address indicated by the Customer.

Through the Online Store by completing the online form attached to the return request.

The refund of the purchase amount, where appropriate, will be carried out using the same payment method with which the Product was purchased, after deducting the shipping and return costs which shall be borne by the Customer.

In any event, for the purpose of exercising the right to return goods, it is imperative that the Products be in perfect condition. The products should be returned in their original packaging together with the invoice. Before returning the Product, the Customer must ensure that the Product is duly protected and sealed so that it does not suffer any damages during shipping.

Should the product be defective, Three Stones P y D S.L shall take responsibility, to the extent in which it is possible, for replacing the product, at no expense to the Customer. Should, for availability reasons, the replacement of the product not be possible, a full refund of the purchase will be provided or change it for another product with the same valor."

**Aeneades**

They just need a photo rather than items returned. Finally had a response to my miscasts from December. It’s always best to send an email rather than use the web form as I have never had a response to the webform.

**Theophony**

@Bigdaddio, they take a long time to respond, but I believe part of the issue is being non-native speakers, so whoever is in charge of responding needs to overcome that hurdle. They might have that listed because they can use it if they believe someone is being disingenuous and trying to get free pieces. I had gotten one of the bat-mites from a Gencon shopper who honestly didn’t know that it was missing its legs (not cast) . Since I’m half way across the planet they didn’t want me to ship It, but did require a photo.

I will state that their time was longer than hearing back from CB on some missing parts. CB didn’t ask for photos, but as the parts were missing it would have been awkward. I have had more missing parts from CB than I have from Knight. Both were pleasant to deal with, but both took a long time. Not as long as Mantic with missing pledge, but for Spanish companies doing metal figures they were fine, not great, but fine. GW still has the best customer service I’ve seen over the years.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Here in the UK (and I suspect across the EU) all internet sales from a commercial organisation are subject to a 14 day 'change of mind' return from the date of delivery even if nothing is wrong with it as unlike buying stuff in a shop you've not actually have a chance to look at it in person

If the company has a correctly worded returns policy on their website (like this) you do, however, have to pay to ship it back

(if the company doesn't have the policy on their website then they have to pay the return costs too)

**BigDaddio**

Okay, thanks for the responses, guys.

**AduroT**

I don’t recall hearing any stories of product replacements going Bad, just that they tend to takes months of time to get sorted. You get your parts, eventually.

**Theophony**

AduroT wrote:
I don’t recall hearing any stories of product replacements going Bad, just that they tend to takes months of time to get sorted. You get your parts, eventually.

I even got their Limited Bat-Mite replaced which was a special figure that they were out of. They went and cast up a replacement, so they do take care of their customers.

**rybackstun**

It's disappointing that the Harry Potter game has put an almost complete stop on the BMG and DCUMG. I understand it's an undertaking to get the whole thing sorted, but to leave the playgroup that got their company to that point high and dry seems really gakky.

Hopefully DC gets a much larger release once the Harry Potter game finishes its campaign.

**Aeneades**

The complete drop in releases for Batman/DC for at least 2 months was really unexpected.

They have apparently had a huge number of Harry Potter models ready since last autumn and you would think they would split any other Harry Potter models over a longer period so that they can at least release a few Batman / DC items each month to build on the momentum gained from the new edition and move to resin.

The last Batman DC releases was start of February and looks like nothing new until May at the earliest. The last non-Harry Potter facebook post was a tactics article at the end of February.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't get a final sign off on the project until all of it was done,

so they may have had the sculpts done, but it would have been really risky to actually make loads of casts until about now

(although it would probably have been smarter to save a few DC releases which they could stockpile to release during this period)

**timetowaste85**

I’m still salty at losing the Marvel line for Harry Potter (I get reasons for two comic lines costing way more in licensing, or Disney killing it, etc). But being an avid HP “hater”, and being a Marvel junkie, it killed my business to KM. I haven’t spent a dime with them since. I do feel for you guys still going strong with DC/Batman. I haven’t even had the drive to finish my Batman or Marvel pieces.

**rybackstun**

Knight just posted an image of the Justice League Dark logo, so at least we know SOMETHING is coming.

**em_en_oh_pee**

rybackstun wrote:
Knight just posted an image of the Justice League Dark logo, so at least we know SOMETHING is coming.

Fingers crossed for Deadman.

**AduroT**

A new Swamp Thing is on the list I’m told.

**Rygnan**

I'm hoping it's Deadman honestly, reading those traits in the Magic book he's going to be a blast to play, and he's one of my favourite members of JLD already

**drazz**

Justice League Dark is shown as Deadman, new Swamp Thing and Black Orchid. I'll work on getting a pic now...

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