Codex:Death Guard pre-orders on January 16th (Jan16th: Preorders up, full leak, reviews)

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**NAVARRO**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
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NAVARRO wrote:
Doesnt the new PM box still sells 7?
For the same price that other armies get 10 models as well. What a bargain!

Yeah pretty bad! Im still hoping its not 5 or 10 only I mean the fact that the box has 7 would mean that, for you to get say 3 units of 5man, you would need to buy 3 boxes ending up with 21... rather than 30 man on other factions...

nuts.

**GaroRobe**

Prices in case it wasn't posted here.

$50 for the miasmic? I'm guessing they mean chosen of Mortarion?
Pox walkers are 36-40, kinda hard to tell, but the Canadian price is more legible

**Spoletta**

Abaddon303 wrote:
For what it's worth I'm quietly confident they'll keep the 4++.

I feel like GW have made the design decision to eradicate 3++ except for rare cases. The abundance of storm shields for loyalists meant they had to cap relic terminator armour at 5++.

If Blightlords and Deathshroud end up stack at 2+/5++ considering how durable they are meant to be it'll not sit right when you have so many loyalist marine units running around with 1+ 4++.

The DWK comparison is a good one and if anything supports my stance.
DWK are 3pts less that Deathshroud and have 3 wounds at T4 1+ 4++ but permanent transhuman. They also have 3 damage weapons and no -1 to hit so more resilient and more deadly for cheaper.

If our terminators keep their 4++ it puts them on a similar level to storm shield terminators, the T5 will mitigate some of the vulnerability to small arms that the 1+ loyalist armour save has.

Not that this discussion is really useful, since we will know shortly, but just for the sake of discussion, I disagree that they are less resilient and less deadly than a DWK.
T5 and -1 damage count for a lot on a terminator model, and the secondary attack mode puts them on par offensive wise. If they have a 4++, it would make them quite superior to a DWK.

**Voss**

GaroRobe wrote:

Prices in case it wasn't posted here.

$50 for the miasmic? I'm guessing they mean chosen of Mortarion?
Pox walkers are 36-40, kinda hard to tell, but the Canadian price is more legible

How does someone make an excel page that blurry? Even if they're just snapping a pic of a sheet of paper, they'd have to work to make it that bad.

**Kanluwen**

It's because the image snapshot is of a thumbnail link here on Dakka.

Spoiler:

Here it is from the actual link.

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The Miasmic Malignifier is the terrain piece.

**Abaddon303**

That's like £25 for the ten poxwalkers! You can still get the issue of Conquest they came in on the hachette partworks website for £8 and you get an extra plague marine...

**BrookM**

€25,- or £20,- for the Poxwalkers, which is a disappointing increase in price but sadly expected.

I still need to pick up a box or two to diversify my hordes of ETB models I've collected in the past, just not any time soon right now. :(

**Marshal Loss**

$60 for the Chosen of Mortarion? Ouch.

**mokoshkana**

Marshal Loss wrote:
$60 for the Chosen of Mortarion? Ouch.

It's not ouch. It is actually a deal considering that single character clam shells currently go for $35.

**Kanluwen**

Abaddon303 wrote:
That's like £25 for the ten poxwalkers! You can still get the issue of Conquest they came in on the hachette partworks website for £8 and you get an extra plague marine...

Not everywhere can get Conquest.

Price is also better than the Chainrasps were, which was $40 for the same ETB style kit.
Necron Warriors are $45, but they do actually include two different weapon options and Scarabs.

**Jidmah**

BrookM wrote:
€25,- or £20,- for the Poxwalkers, which is a disappointing increase in price but sadly expected.

I still need to pick up a box or two to diversify my hordes of ETB models I've collected in the past, just not any time soon right now. :(

Aren't those the same poxwalkers as in DI?

**Kanluwen**

Jidmah wrote:
BrookM wrote:
€25,- or £20,- for the Poxwalkers, which is a disappointing increase in price but sadly expected.

I still need to pick up a box or two to diversify my hordes of ETB models I've collected in the past, just not any time soon right now. :(

Aren't those the same poxwalkers as in DI?

The Easy to Build ones are different to the Dark Imperium ones. The ETB ones were designed to supplement the DI ones.

**Eldarsif**

Jidmah wrote:
BrookM wrote:
€25,- or £20,- for the Poxwalkers, which is a disappointing increase in price but sadly expected.

I still need to pick up a box or two to diversify my hordes of ETB models I've collected in the past, just not any time soon right now. :(

Aren't those the same poxwalkers as in DI?

Pretty much.

Kinda glad I got DI and Know no Fear twice as well as the cheap 9 pound poxwalkers. Won't have to shell for the price increase.

**Marshal Loss**

mokoshkana wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
$60 for the Chosen of Mortarion? Ouch.
It's not ouch. It is actually a deal considering that single character clam shells currently go for $35.

It's two recycled DI characters and an Aspiring Champion. Better value relative to other overpriced clampacks does not good value make. Very glad I already own all of these models

**broxus**

No new news today from GW? I expected an article every day for DG.

**Lord Damocles**

mokoshkana wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
$60 for the Chosen of Mortarion? Ouch.
It's not ouch. It is actually a deal considering that single character clam shells currently go for $35.

Not sure if genuine or sarcasm.

Good job!

**Dysartes**

broxus wrote:
No new news today from GW? I expected an article every day for DG.

There've been quite a few articles outside of the normal preview window for the Death Guard, which may explain this week being a bit quieter.

**Not Online!!!**

Lord Damocles wrote:
mokoshkana wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
$60 for the Chosen of Mortarion? Ouch.
It's not ouch. It is actually a deal considering that single character clam shells currently go for $35.

Not sure if genuine or sarcasm.

Good job!

in old words:

Why not both?

**mokoshkana**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
mokoshkana wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
$60 for the Chosen of Mortarion? Ouch.
It's not ouch. It is actually a deal considering that single character clam shells currently go for $35.

Not sure if genuine or sarcasm.

Good job!

in old words:

Why not both?

Is it actually good value? Of course not, GW is vastly overpriced.
Is it good value relative to normal GW prices. I think it is a good relative value, yes.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Assuming the Characters are close to worth that absurd price to begin with.

**broxus**

Jidmah wrote:
What damage nerf?

Gaining an extra attack does not make up for the loss of hateful assault and DTTFE. That is the potential damage nerf. Combats are bloody and Thr vast majority don’t last beyond one round anyways. I’m convinced we lost DTTFE, but am hopeful that we keep hateful assault. Otherwise the Deathshroud took a damage nerf.

**Not Online!!!**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Assuming the Characters are close to worth that absurd price to begin with.

they aren't and factions that have looks closeish related units f.e. lords / chose / CSM. are better off learning greenstuff. if not outright searching for alternatives and 3rd parties

**Slayer-Fan123**

broxus wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
What damage nerf?

Gaining an extra attack does not make up for the loss of hateful assault and DTTFE. That is the potential damage nerf. Combats are bloody and Thr vast majority don’t last beyond one round anyways. I’m convinced we lost DTTFE, but am hopeful that we keep hateful assault. Otherwise the Deathshroud took a damage nerf.

We don't know if Hateful Assault is gone to be fair. Someone said they still had Volleys so it would make little sense to lose that. However, with the base A2 they should've had to begin with and the extra AP-1 on their Knives I don't think it's fair to say they lost any damage. If anything they DID gain it, and more consistently to boot.

**Abaddon303**

So almost £80 for 20 poxwalkers, 2 characters and a champion.
You used to get that lot, plus another 6 plague marines, a lord of contagion and a bloat drone plus about 800 points of primaris for that price...

**Doohicky**

Abaddon303 wrote:
So almost £80 for 20 poxwalkers, 2 characters and a champion.
You used to get that lot, plus another 6 plague marines, a lord of contagion and a bloat drone plus about 800 points of primaris for that price...

Are you talking about the combat patrol box?

If so it's 30 pox walkers, 7 plaguemarines and 2 characters.
Whether you think it's value or not is fair, but at least don't forget almost half the models

**AngryAngel80**

GW, the company that is trying to make fomo greater than ever before. This feels like them wanting to punish you for not having started an army at the right time in the past to milk the young blood.

Not a new thing for them but man it has to feel harsh for those players.

**Talbaz**

NAVARRO wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
T

NAVARRO wrote:
Doesnt the new PM box still sells 7?
For the same price that other armies get 10 models as well. What a bargain!

Yeah pretty bad! Im still hoping its not 5 or 10 only I mean the fact that the box has 7 would mean that, for you to get say 3 units of 5man, you would need to buy 3 boxes ending up with 21... rather than 30 man on other factions... nuts.

Keep your pants on he in referencing the Field Manual FAQ, the Power Rating FAQ release on thr same day had the old squad sizes 5,7,10,15,20

**Abaddon303**

Doohicky wrote:
Abaddon303 wrote:
So almost £80 for 20 poxwalkers, 2 characters and a champion.
You used to get that lot, plus another 6 plague marines, a lord of contagion and a bloat drone plus about 800 points of primaris for that price...

Are you talking about the combat patrol box?

If so it's 30 pox walkers, 7 plaguemarines and 2 characters.
Whether you think it's value or not is fair, but at least don't forget almost half the models

No i was talking about 2 boxes of poxwalkers and the chosen of mortarion box.

At least at GWs current pricing for the individual boxes the Combat Patrol is a significant saving as you are getting about £140 worth of stuff in there.

**Castozor**

I´d say the box isn't even good at milking players really. As I said before it's only good if you plan on running a lot of poxwalkers and even then you'd probably want 2 boxes to get enough of them. But there is also Typhus which makes the idea of buying 2 seem like wasting money. I really have no idea what they were thinking here because a good starter for a DG army it is not.
Edit: on the chosen of Mortarion: I'm again a bit confused as to why this box needs to exist. The 2 characters are nice and not readily available otherwise, but a marine champion really? Just give me back Felthius and the easy2build PM's, at least those had value for beginners and people wanting to expand their DG further.

**puma713**

Castozor wrote:

Just give me back Felthius and the easy2build PM's, at least those had value for beginners and people wanting to expand their DG further.

Watch them make the Orb of Dessication really good, actually, driving Felthius' value through the roof.