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as a member of the so called far left i can assure you that obama clinton and edwards are not far left, they are liberal centerists. both by their policies and their voting records.

Joeseph Lieberman is a Conservative Democrat not a moderate democrat. a true moderate democrat is someone like Ritchardson, Sarbanes or Kaine

For some reason I thought Lieberman jumped parties. Shows
you how much I pay attention.

malfred wrote:For some reason I thought Lieberman jumped parties. Shows
you how much I pay attention.

The Democratic party dumped him because he wasn't Left enough for them. He still caucases with them though.

the democratic party did not dump lieberman. another democrat gave him a primary challange and won it. lieberman then ran and won his seat as an independant. the DNC did not kick him out or even for that matter, fund his opposition very much. if the DNC really had wanted to kick out Lieberman they could have thrown enough money at the democratic candidate in the election for him to win it. they did not. (why should they if joe was going to caucus with them anyway...)

There's an inherent flaw in your arguments, djones: it's that your POV is so far right, centrists look like leftists. That's alright; America is built on the right to have different POVs. It just skews your perceptions of those who don't reside within your personal political horizons.

lord_sutekh wrote:There's an inherent flaw in your arguments, djones: it's that your POV is so far right, centrists look like leftists. That's alright; America is built on the right to have different POVs. It just skews your perceptions of those who don't reside within your personal political horizons.

Actually, I'm very centrist. Pro-Choice Atheists who support Gay Marriage aren't generally considered right wingers. I have strong views on both ends of the spectrum. I honestly haven't begun to even delve into my full POV, so please with hold from saying what it is in the future. I could call a lot of you left wing nut balls, but I haven't because in the 2 or 3 sentence posts we're making it's impossible to know what all of your beliefs are.

djones520 wrote:

lord_sutekh wrote:There's an inherent flaw in your arguments, djones: it's that your POV is so far right, centrists look like leftists. That's alright; America is built on the right to have different POVs. It just skews your perceptions of those who don't reside within your personal political horizons.

Actually, I'm very centrist. Pro-Choice Atheists who support Gay Marriage aren't generally considered right wingers. I have strong views on both ends of the spectrum. I honestly haven't begun to even delve into my full POV, so please with hold from saying what it is in the future. I could call a lot of you left wing nut balls, but I haven't because in the 2 or 3 sentence posts we're making it's impossible to know what all of your beliefs are.

Hi Mr. Guiliani, thanks for posting on the thread!


I think it's fairly typically for people to have different spectrums of beliefs. The Right/Left divide was popularized after the French Revolution. It's inaccurate and confusing when used in any context that isn't post-Revolution France.

In other news, Romney won convincingly in Michigan. Apparently it was cold and snowing so turn out was around 20%. The Republican race is really tough to call right now.

I think we can safely say Ron Paul will not be the Republican Presidential Candidate, so thats a positive.