WF - Scifi Greatcoat Infantry are OVER 100% - Minor News Update on 3/31/09

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**cadbren**

I can't find a decent picture at the moment, but I'd like to see something like the Imperial Trenchers from Warzone.

**Kid_Kyoto**

LunaHound wrote:better than their 2 concepts

a) failed Jin Roh
b) someone dressing in great coat with jet plane gear ontop of it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll agree with the poster who said the shoulders need to be broader. Overall I prefer the actual greatcoat render to the techno-corset & crotch-guard.

And the German-style helmet isn't that big a deal. I just want these Great Coat Infantry to have actual greatcoats and not have them covered up with useless techno-junk just to avoid being sued by GW.

If they could find a balance between Death Korp, Hellgast and City 17 Metro Cop they'd look pretty good.

whitedragon wrote:Why do they have to have big weird armor (the second concept looks terrible)...why can't they just wear big trenchcoats maybe with epaulets or shoulder pads? Is it too much to ask to wear armor under the trench coat? And the pinned back coat looks TERRIBLE.

This need not be an academic disucssion. The design is still very much in play with the sculptor posting regular changes, asking for feedback and acting on the feedback.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/forum/category/science-fiction-submissions/page1/

Honestly what's the point of attacking the design here (and BTW the renders Luna posted have been revised many, many times) when you could be helpful working on it on their site.

**Kid_Kyoto**

cadbren wrote:I can't find a decent picture at the moment, but I'd like to see something like the Imperial Trenchers from Warzone.

As I understand the debate RATHER LARGE shoulderpads were turned down early on as too-GWesque/Space Marine and not appealing to enough people.

**Shattered Soul**

Seriously, if you wore armor with a great coat it would be over the coat so when you got shot all they have to do is take it off and not struggle with getting your coat off first and letting you freeze to death when you go into shock.

**Kid_Kyoto**

plus the coat is there to keep you warm, the armor to keep bullets and such away.

You want the coat close to your body and the armor outside so it can be nice and thick.

**stonefox**

Shattered Soul wrote:Seriously, if you wore armor with a great coat it would be over the coat so when you got shot all they have to do is take it off and not struggle with getting your coat off first and letting you freeze to death when you go into shock.

Yep, just like your avatar the (important) krieg dudes also wore their armor on the outside. But don't let that get in the way of people wanting to get their cheap krieg stand-ins because having armor over the coat makes them look too different.

**whitedragon**

I was saying that so we could just have the great coat on the outside, which is what looks the coolest IMHO. Also, arguing realism as it applies to 40k is worthless.

**adamsouza**

They are in armor becuase the majority of people who preordered and followed the discussion in the thread asked for it.

**ph34r**

Yes. Complaining about how they are turning out over here does nothing. If they are not as you like them, then you should have done something about it, like posting your opinion in the thread over there.

**whitedragon**

I'm not going to buy them either way, so I'm not going to post over there. I just think it was a really good idea that is being...wasted by poor concepts, in much the same way as I disliked Dr. Thunder's female guardsmen commission. I wasn't really interested either way, but the finished product sealed the deal that I wouldn't be buying them.

Since I'm not one of the ones that this product is being marketed to, my input really doesn't mean all that much, but as a collector of interesting models, or for someone that may someday decide to collect guard, these don't really do anything for me at all.

**Savnock**

I for one like the current draft of the concept. It will look great in 28mm, and isn't too busy (thus very adaptable to other lines, like 40K). As for the "Space Nazis" theme, if the heads are separate, adaptation to "Space Russkies" or any other space-whatever-WWI-II will be easy. WGF will win with this one if they make it a good foundation for conversion as well as a decent fully-finished figure. Their market slice will be adaptation for converters, plus stand-ins for the less motivated/obsessed hobbyists.

And man, I loved those Warzone minis. I have a ton, and with the new IG codex they will finally see the light of day again. Human wave attack imminent!

**Kid_Kyoto**

Looks like things are getting close!

Um, okay fellas. I've been dealing with the 600 overdue L&U submissions. I think there are more yet to come ---
I have a brief from Tony to tell him what needs to be on the sprue.
Here's a choice. We've discovered that we can get six skinny chaps with no equipment at all on a sprue - the zombies. We can get 5 plus extra helmets and rifles on a sprue - the Zulu War British.
What we have here are fairly bulky figures (because A) they are consciously 'heroic' and B) they are in greatcoats and body armour). We've had a lot of discussion about what kind of gear they come with, ranging from the backpacks/no backpacks thing, the "I'd like a flamethrower" thing, the combat shotguns, the FG42s modified, the wish for a bigger SAW type thing, the extra pouches, the officers head with caps, the sergeant with a sidecap, the bunny ears, the rocket propelled chainsaw (or was that some other thread?)
Anyhow, it seems to me that the choice is probably -
1) a four figure sprue with core equipment (no backpacks, a standard gun for everyone, probably one each of the SAW, shotgun, maybe officer's head)
2) A three figure sprue with everything up to a combine harvester and a fridge full of 28mm beer.
In terms of cost, that probably means (at $5 per sprue) a difference of paying $1.25 per figure and $1.66. Plus all the gear of course.
What I need each of you to do ASAP is tell me A) which you'd prefer, and B) given that preference, what you'd put onto the sprue.
No saying, "Four figures plus all the gear, anyway." Laws of sprue design are immutable.
I also note that there are 1100 posts on this thread, so if you had a great idea at post 236, please do not expect me to go looking for it. It's taken me an hour to read everything I'd missed since, er, Tuesday. If you really want a jetpack/apple peeler combo, tell me now! (and also, what it's replacing from the other stuff!)

So if you want to make some substancial input this is the time!

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/2009/01/29/sci-fi-greatcoat-infantry/page56/#post7906359

**Kid_Kyoto**

And if anyone is wondering, this was my vote

I vote for 3 men plus the works.
3 bodies (running, standing, kneeling)
4 sets of rifle arms (either seperate rifle or at least left hand on the left arm, not left hand on the rifle), 2 aiming, 1 in the air, 1 lowered
4 rifles (one spare), NO BULLPUP so they're easy to replace with other guns
1 SAW (there are plenty of GW plastic flamers around)
1 phallic energy gun (ie GW plasma gun)
1 head with helmet but gasmask off, bare face
1 head with improved comms/vision
3 back packs
1 pistol arm
1 pointing arm
2 knife arms

**adamsouza**

1 phallic energy gun (ie GW plasma gun)

I will never be able to look at one the same way now that you've said that.

Although it does give me an idea for a Slaneesh army...

**Kid_Kyoto**

"Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! Slayer of worlds! Felt the power throb in his weapon. He clutched it tightly in his hand and turned towards his foe letting it build in the twin energy spheres and then finally! RELEASE! The throbbing weapon ejaculated burning white fluid over them as Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! laughed manfully!" - From the epic novel, Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! Obliterates! the! Universe! coming in 2010 from the Black Library

MAXIMUM! VIOLENCE! NOW!

**Vertrucio**

And now people are arguing whether we want a sprue with 4 troops and less gear bits (beyond the basic rifle), or 3 men and a bit more gear. Keep in mind that's $5 a sprue.

The reason for the low body count is that these guys will be in the heroic scale, closer to GW scale.

I voted 4 troops on a sprue with less extra gear bits. I can always get bits from other places, and in some ways would prefer getting it from other places, maybe even GW bits.

**Captain Vyper**

I will keep my eye on this as they have great potential but my god I will not be trying to read that thread over there any more, the bickering about the littest of things is madning. Keep us posted though on their progress.

**Vaktathi**

whitedragon wrote:I'm not going to buy them either way, so I'm not going to post over there. I just think it was a really good idea that is being...wasted by poor concepts, in much the same way as I disliked Dr. Thunder's female guardsmen commission. I wasn't really interested either way, but the finished product sealed the deal that I wouldn't be buying them.

For the upteenth time...they aren't finished. We have renders of different types to determine what route people wanted to go, and some photoshops of concepts by people, nothing approaching a finished product in any way.

**Tribune**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:"Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! Slayer of worlds! Felt the power throb in his weapon. He clutched it tightly in his hand and turned towards his foe letting it build in the twin energy spheres and then finally! RELEASE! The throbbing weapon ejaculated burning white fluid over them as Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! laughed manfully!" - From the epic novel, Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! Obliterates! the! Universe! coming in 2010 from the Black Library

MAXIMUM! VIOLENCE! NOW!

You, sir, are the new sig I need.

**Shattered Soul**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:"Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! Slayer of worlds! Felt the power throb in his weapon. He clutched it tightly in his hand and turned towards his foe letting it build in the twin energy spheres and then finally! RELEASE! The throbbing weapon ejaculated burning white fluid over them as Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! laughed manfully!" - From the epic novel, Bloodstorm! Ravenblade! Obliterates! the! Universe! coming in 2010 from the Black Library

MAXIMUM! VIOLENCE! NOW!

Kyoto, sir... you disgust me sometimes.

**JohnHwangDD**

OK, anybody got a link to the more recent renders, or do we have to dig?

**Kid_Kyoto**

JohnHwangDD wrote:OK, anybody got a link to the more recent renders, or do we have to dig?

Nothing from the sculpter (except from refinements in the gasmask) but we have some that fans are tossing around.

**Greebynog**

It'll be interesting to see what gets made in the end after this process.

Too many chefs spoil the broth.

Many hands, light work.

A camel is a horse designed by comittee.

Apply cliche as appropriate.

**BrookM**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:OK, anybody got a link to the more recent renders, or do we have to dig?

Nothing from the sculpter (except from refinements in the gasmask) but we have some that fans are tossing around.

Space facists are very popular, not just in uniform but also in their weapon choices. I spy the MG 42 and a modified FG 42, I can't wait for the first designs with runic icons on them.

**cadbren**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
cadbren wrote:I can't find a decent picture at the moment, but I'd like to see something like the Imperial Trenchers from Warzone.

As I understand the debate RATHER LARGE shoulderpads were turned down early on as too-GWesque/Space Marine and not appealing to enough people.

Thanks for the pic.

**JohnHwangDD**

@Brook: I'm just hoping for paired "Sig" runes hidden in the armor detailing.

**Agamemnon2**

Hm, looks like another GW-esque project of WGF's is moving onwards. "6mm sci-fi androids" have moved to the next stage, asking interested parties for a $1 deposit per sprue, and they're ironing out the sprue layout.

In the interest of all the people wanting 6mm Nec-- Space Androids, I hope it works out.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Agamemnon2 wrote:Hm, looks like another GW-esque project of WGF's is moving onwards. "6mm sci-fi androids" have moved to the next stage, asking interested parties for a $1 deposit per sprue, and they're ironing out the sprue layout.

In the interest of all the people wanting 6mm Nec-- Space Androids, I hope it works out.

I didn't give them much thought until I saw the sprue. Yeah, they don't look anything like Necrons but that's clearly what they're meant to be. I didn't think there was that much demand for either Epic or for Necrons.

**adamsouza**

There is soo much hype about playing anything other than 40K on the WGF boards that it never occured to me that people would want Epic scale Necrons.

In the greatcoat thread people openly stated that they wanted them for Imperial Guard, but I hadn't noticed anyone mention Necrons while discussing the 6mm Androids. Admittedly, I didn't follow that thread that closely.

I may pic up a sprue or two of the 6mm Androids to use as killer toy robots for a supervillain, but that's about all the interest I had in them.

John Bear Ross did an excellent job on them, I'm just not that interested in 6mm models.

**Balance**

The Not-Destroyers look like a hybrid between the old (weird coffins-with-turrets design) and new (flying spider-centaurs) designs.