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The biggest problem for me is the time commitment. A two day + travel trip just don't work in my life

I think time and travel are the biggest problems for me. Driving anywhere a tourney would take a day or two depending on location. Flying isn't much faster as I'm three hours away any decent sized airport.

Taking off work several days to get my ass kicked at a tournament seems like a waste of time. Missed pay from work plus travel and hotel costs would be a lot of money I could have spent on other stuff, like lots of new little men to paint and play with.

I recently chose NOT to go to a gaming tournament because they had written mission rules that were to crazy. I started a thread with the missions in it, check it out and tell me what you think.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/404557.page

EDIT: Also they are NOT having a painting requirement, so I am not interested in seeing unpainted armies at a paid event either.

I've never felt the desire to go to a tournament. I'm a beer and pretzels kind of player. I play to have fun and see some carnage, not to argue with TFG for ten minutes about whether my penal legion squad's sergeant invalidates the Fleet of Foot rule I just rolled for the squad... I've run into some players who really wring every drop of fun out of the game in an effort to win at all costs, and I imagine I'd run into a lot more of them if I ever went to a tournament.

At the moment there's not a whole lot going on near where I live...... at least that I've found. I don't mind driving a couple of hours but when a hotel rental is involved to play in a tourney I have to op out. Also I hate the current mood with the hobby where hardly anyone has a fully painted army, or bs counts as ( that toilet paper roll is actually a dreadnought), or just straight up bad attitudes towards others they are supposed to be having "fun" with.

I am hyper competative. I have always done best in tournaments when I show up not expectng to win a single game. (including several rogue trader wins, a first round hard boys win and a third and sixth overall at GTs). Unfortunatly then I get competative and it brings out the absolute worst in me. I have actually stopped playing in tournaments as punishment because of it.

Ursa wrote:I am hyper competative. I have always done best in tournaments when I show up not expectng to win a single game. (including several rogue trader wins, a first round hard boys win and a third and sixth overall at GTs). Unfortunatly then I get competative and it brings out the absolute worst in me. I have actually stopped playing in tournaments as punishment because of it.

OMG this is me too. I haven't stopped playing Tournaments yet, but I'm leaning that way. I feel like Dr. Jekyl Mr. Hyde. I think I just need to resolve to maximize my opponents enjoyment of the game. I'll get back into competitive play after I've learned to be humble.

The last GT I was at I went only because a buddy had an extra ticket. I threw together a list and got my ass kicked in the frist game. Tied the second and won the next three. All the time I had a blast. In the end I tied for best sportman and took third best sportsman overall.

My last Hardboys, another, went just cause a buddy wanted company. Threw together a litst and WON. Went to the second round and got my ass kicked cause I was back in the competative mode.

Havent played in a tourney since. Now I belong to a Club based out of a buddies basement and play against a bunch of fiends. THere are a couple of them I can be as competative as I want. But I try to always play something different.

Gamer Stench and Rules arguments would stop me going to tournaments.

Thankfully Malifauxs' rules are well written, and only the most complex rule combos give rise to arguments. But when I see 40k players arguing over different rule interpretations, or when one is clearly in the wrong (i.e. not cheating, but the player clearly doesn't know either the game rules or his own armies rules) it really does suck.

yes I want competitive games, yes I want a challenge, but for gods sake; Learn the damn rules!! And have a wash.

I think "I'm afraid of cheaters" should be changed to "I don't like to have to loose games to a guy you can clearly tell is cheating but do not seem to have the authority to tell a judge"

I'm distance too, the main thing that keeps me away is that I'm not I live more than 3 hours from the 2 places in the country where all the Tournaments are held.

Money+travelling.

There arent any good comps in my area, last one I went to I travelled about 2000kms to get to, was worth the expense though.

I attend tournaments. And Ironically enough after this past Saturday (2W/1L) which I did pretty well, I might be done with it. It was 1000pts and as always armies were to be fully painted/based, and sorry, at 3 colors up that shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
So round one I get a GW employee with a Raven Guard army. He has a rhino with troops on the far left of the board, and so do I. IN his movement phase he had moved up and popped smoke. I moved up six inches, and then measured from the top hatch of the rhino to see if he was going to be in melta town.

Raven Guard: You must play alot of fantasy.
Me: No.
Raven Guard: Uh. It's illegal to pre-measure.
Me: Seriously? There is literally nothing else on this side of the table I can shoot at. I am definitely going to be shooting at them. I'm damn sure not going to be firing my bolters at them, so that leaves the meltas.
Raven Guard: Still.
Me: Jeez. Sorry.

I lost that one, and dude wasn't really a jerk or anything, but that rubbed the wrong way. Round two I got the Power Rangers themed Tau kid. Seriously, I swear to God. He had three broadsides, three units of firewarriors, crisis suit general (a shas-whatever), and a sniper drone team. All fully painted. What he didn't have was a tape measure. He got to go first, and moved a squad of firewarriors up to snatch the first objective. They only moved like three inches, so it was no biggie. Then he moves his crisis suit about 18-20 inches or so with no measurement.

Me: Woah. Dude that's not gonna work.
Tau Kid: Did I do something wrong?
Me: Yes you moved waaay too far. Do you not have a tape measure?
Tau Kid: My dad has it over there playing fantasy right now (points across room).
Me: No problem kid. You can use mine.

As he proceeds to declare shootings and markerlights and what have you. I proceeded to give him some sage advice on what to do with these Tau. I explained to him he had to destroy my vindicator post haste, followed by my Predator. He did just that. He proceeded to tell me this was the second tournament he had been in with them, and the fifth time he had ever played his Tau at all. He did exceptionally well, but I managed to get my DP in his frontline and hold my plague marines on two objectives, winning the game. When the game was over I briefed him on what he did that really worked, what he need to watch for, and gave him a "have fun and don't get discouraged in turn 1" speech. That kid went on to win his last game.

Round three is the one that really pissed me off. It's a game I won. And still pissed me off. I was so pissed off about his game I complained about it the entire 45 minute drive back home. I got paired up with this Eldar guy. The only other time I played Eldar was in a tournament scenario, and I felt like I was getting hosed then. The rules seemed scetchy and in all fairness I didn't know jack about them really. This time was different. I had some grasp of what was up. So here's the list of gripes...

One fully painted model, not even based
Everything else basecoated
Except his gray jetbikes
Six dice
No measurement device
A photocopied codex
And no list for me to peruse

If the tourney didn't call for fully painted and based armies I wouldn't care. But I was up until 2am the night before finishing my stuff AND finishing my friend's bloodcrushers, so we could play. I work forty hours a week. I have responsibilities, bills, house note, whatever, and still manage to do what I need to do to play in this thing, and this head didn't even have the common decency to use a drybrush and coat his emodar pieces of with three colors. And didn't bring a measuring device. AND only brought six dice. Why is this a problem? Because he shot every single weapon seperately at the same targets. And it gets better. Late in game, My Nurgle prince is in cover and down a wound from being shot at last round, and gets shot at with some Eldar whatchadoodle. He makes his cover save though. I remember this, because I rolled one of that dudes die that was laying there. We get into cc and...

Eldumb: How many wounds does he have base?
Me: Four.
Eldumb: He's dead.
Me: No. He saved three and took two.
Eldumb: He was at one.
Me: No he was at three. You shot him with a starcannon or something last round and managed a wound. You shot him just now this round-
Eldumb: And he took a wound.
Me: No dude. Cover saved that.
Eldumb: I don't remember that.
Me: It just happened. I rolled your die.
Eldumb: Whatever.

And that whole game collectively will make you not want to play tournaments. He took his sweet time doing everything, and the worst part was that he wasn't turtling, he legitimately had no idea what was going on. He shot at my vindicator for four rounds. It was weapon destroyed on the first one. Why? He thought there were troops in it! And he never asked me, I swear. He finally immobilizes it and says...

Eldumb: What kind of troops are in there?
Me: None.
Eldumb: So what's in it?
Me: A pissed off crew that can't do anything.
Eldumb: What about that one?
Me: That's a predator. Just a tank. No troops in it.
Eldumb: Wait you mean these over here are the ones with guys in them.
Me: Yes.
Eldumb: Why did you let me waste all that shooting on an immobilized tank?
Me: I thought you were going for the kill point. ( And i really did.)

I find out after the game that this guy and his friend and his friend's mom drove four hours from Nashville to play. I told the guy good game anyway, but seriously him. Your gonna come all that way and STILL not meet the posted prerequisites for play? What an .
I try to be a good opponent. If someone has a question or thinks I'm cheating or something I don't get pissy. I quickly try to get them their verification either via asking a question or looking it up. At the worst I say good game, shake, and quickly pack up my stuff to get away from the person before I smash their face in. Generally I post-game chit chat, and try to give them critique on their play style, especially if they lost. Everyone should want better opponents. But If I would have been responsible for that tournament I would have sent Eldar guy packing his sorry back across state.

Sharkvictim wrote:-snip-

This sums up every reason I don't go to tournaments. Too much drama. I don't mean on your part, but just people who are so, so picky that you don't move your models one micrometer over 6" for movement, people who insist that you measure out the 6" for all fifty-some Ork boyz that just assaulted, people that waste half the time limit arguing some meaningless point. I actually had a friend lose a game because of someone's argument that Ork Bikers could run, because they had the Waaagh! rule (this was at a point when the FLGS didn't keep the FAQs on hand, so nobody could bring them up to point out that they don't have it anymore). Despite being in the Shooting phase, the guy was allowed to redo the bikers' movement since he didn't know that Waaagh! didn't work with them. The whole thing took up so much time that the game was called right before my friend's terminators were going to rush in and claim victory for him.

I'm with Stormfather on this one. I know the rules are important, but is it worth arguing every little point, every little obscure rule in the BGB?

I think they would be like "OMFG A 14 YEAR OLD NOOB'

The reason for why I don't go is because I do not know where the tournaments are being held in New Zealand and because I have no money to buy myself an army to use.

 Sharkvictim wrote:
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Probably doenst help you, but I kinda have to respect that you still played that idiot. I would've just called a judge and be done with it. Not only that, but even if his stuff was painted, with an attitude like that I would've snapped probably after around 2 minutes. Feel sorry for you man!


Personally, I only attented tournaments as an observer, and boy, am I glad about that!

A few gems:

- I know its a bad stereotype, but the nerdstench thing is awfully common. There was one dude who seriously had a plaguewind following him. You could almost hear the screams of the damned, as he entered the building. I would NOT have been surprised if he had Fungi growing in his beard.

- People taking forever in their turns. I seriously watched a mate playing a game for around 2 hours, and in those 2 hours they played maybe 1.5 turns. And this was a regular 2kp game! The Guy would sometimes just stand there and stare at his units blankly for 30 seconds, before doing even basic movement. Not only that, but he had to get the Codex out for even the most basic units. It was infuriating.

- Rule Lawyers. Im not talking about checking basic stuff, but calling the judge every 10 seconds, arguing even the most basic of rolls or movements. I could see the other player boil, but he kept his cool and played trough it.

- The odd player being very rude. Im glad to say this is the exception, but if you encounter one, the game becomes a torture. I remember two of these angels specifically. One would constantly belittle my buddy for every move he made, boast about his superior tactic and generally be a massive about every model he killed. Can you imagine playing someone that outright screams over 3 games being played on the tables around, announcing loudly "That he just OWNED the guy." everytime he removes one of your more costly units? Eventually one of the regularls told the guy to shut the feth up, which helped. And I was never so glad to see a dude being beaten (altough it was close, and he would insist that it was only luck on my bud's part).

The other guy I remember constantly picked up models without asking, and even worse, ranted about "bad paint-jobs". I seriously stood there, amazed that someone can be THAT much of a jerk to other people. "That model looks awful, I would strip it down and do it again." "Wow, you seriously need to read up on some tutorials."
The models didnt look bad at all. It was tabletopstandard, Base colors, a Wash and a few highlights. They werent Top-Tier, certainly. But outright belittle your opponent, make fun of his work and just be a massive Jerk? Thats too much.I've heard about Elitists before, but that one was certainly new.


The bottom line for me, even tough I now have the armys to play, I will never attend Tourneys as a Player. Unless they include specific rules that ban stuff like the above.

I used to go to comps quite a bit in the FoW scene...

Eventually I stopped, comp play brings out the worst in people.

Edit: I was also sick of getting my ass handed to me by the newest 40K ripp off FoW army...I ended most of my comps in the bar before anyone else got through a few turns. Eventually the game became so toxic I gave up and moved onto something else...and believe it or not I've never been happier.

Nothing against 40K/FoW players but I've met some seriously gak people. They are great outside of gaming, but when gaming...it's like a totally different person takes over. I can't stand that gak.

I'd rather play a friendly game with someone, not cheat him with codex creep and not want to shank him with a tiger tank at the end of the game,,,

I'm a bit of a sore loser with games as competitive as those in tournaments so to avoid making enemies or unpleasant experiences for other players, I try to avoid it.

My favorite army is routinely banned.

Elysian

I got bored playing against the same lists no matter where I went. People would bring these ultra competitive lists that were utterly boring to play against. Upside was that I learned how to compete against them using units that I felt were fun rather than competitive.

Oh, and for some reason I cannot put my finger on yet, I feel that the 40k rules in particular are out of date?

I still enjoy the theme of the game at least!

THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE. I can't noise of such magnitude. Give me a Deadmau5 concert, fine. Give me 200 people shouting over everyone else trying to shout over everyone else? This is why I hate church dinners too.

I am not skilled enough, dont have a good enough army and i dont like fast paced games.

Frankly i play for fun.

I'm just lazy. Plus there are enough people who play at my FLGS that I can get a game pretty much whenever I want however I want (ie. competitive or not). I do sometimes take part in the mini tournaments at my FLGS but a) I'm not sure they count and b) it's not very often...

Dont like hyper competitiveness at aaaaallll

The last tournament I went to was 15 years ago. It was slanted so undead armies would win. I haven't attended one since.