What is the worst 40K army for a beginner?

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**Riddick40k**

Chaos Daemons have my vote

**sarpedons-right-hand**

Eldar. They are horribly dependent on learning how each unit works together and can be really fragile....
If I could vote twice I would have gone for Tau. Horrible CC ability and you cannot avoid CC for long.

**4oursword**

Space Marines.

The background makes them seem like ultimate, best-at-everything legends...

Then you realise that they are mediocre warriors with a decent save and crappy guns.

They suckered me in when I started (midway through 4th edition) when I was going to get necrons.

Even after 5000 points of Marines, I still wish I'd gone with Nids or Crons as I was going to.

**DaemonJellybaby**

Eldar, with Tau coming close second,
Everything must fall into place of it will fail miserably

**KnightOfTheRaven**

The hate with space marines is strange. Yes their poster boys but i think with their large areas of flatness are the easiest to paint and not hard to play with.

Eldar, however have loads of detail and every unit must be in perfect coherency with another or you lose

**HoverBoy**

We don't really hate SM as such, we just hate the way GW is cramming them down everyone's throats.

**marmaduke**

tau

with their lack of shooting and need to tailor everything they do to the army they play

all that = no way you going to win

also with the current edition and how tau are they just are not shotty enough better to take IG who can actually shoot well

**Viersche**

I think the dark eldar isn't that newbie friendly

**sennacherib**

Tau.. because pulling of a win as even a seasoned player is getting harder and harder.

**iBambam**

This must be a really old poll considering DE now do have a new codex and Demon Hunters are now GK. I think Tau are the hardest army to get started, personally.

**Dust**

I started with Witch Hunters because I liked their models and background and I lost pretty much every game I played in the first six months

**elliot the black templar**

my mate last week started his first army geuss what he colects dark eldar ha ha

**Brother-Captain Scotti**

Tau due to their fragility, I would have gone for DE if it was the previous edition codex

**Trondheim**

Witch Hunters, they are just a terribel army to have the misfortune to field.

**Rented Tritium**

I don't understand why people keep saying Tau. They lose a lot, but that's not what really makes it "good" or "bad" for a beginner. Tau are actually great for beginners because their strategy is closest to the real world military. Someone coming from another game or from RTS pc gaming will be able to grok the general tau gameplay very quickly.

Honestly, beginners shouldn't win too much. Excessive wins slow down a player's development.

**Sharkvictim**

My first army was Tau. I played them for six months and then went CSM and never looked back. I even sold my tau. I look back on them now and figure if I spent the money on Tau that I spent on CSM I might win occasionally. Age of the codex is a consideration, though I'll take the badly written and slightly old Chaos codex over the older tau codex any day. I went with a friend of mine to GW and he asked them to set him up with a tau force. They asked him how much he was swilling to spend. For about 700 dollars he walked out of there with about 1500 pts of Tau flexibility, and they still crapped in his wallet "hooking him up" with vespids.
If someone goes in there and says hook me up with a Space Marine force they'll end up buying a battleforce, an hq, some termies, and possibly a landraider for about $230-ish. It wont be 1500 pts, but the moral of the story is that it would still be playable.

**Rented Tritium**

Playable for lots of wins and good for a new player are two different things.

If our goal for "good for a new player" is "win all the time", then yes, it's obviously space marines.

But that shouldn't be the goal. Playing space marines to beat other scrubs is easy. Playing space marines really well has a crazy learning curve.

Playing tau alright to playing tau really well is a much smoother learning curve.

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I think Eldar and Dark eldar are probably the hardest. I tried playing eldar for 2 years and ended up still not fully understanding what makes that book tick.

**templarsandorks?**

eldar or dark eldar as they are hard to play. maybe sob as they have

old metal models

**BlapBlapBlap**

I pick the Orks. I've known so many kids get these from AoBR and then decide that they are sneaky, amazingly skilled super spies, and play them as such. If you show them a good way to play Orks, they will then proceed to get annoyed because they've modelled loads of Kommandos and just realized they need troops... Plus they get upset when one guy dies. That's the job of GK.

**CuddlySquig**

This is a tough question. I'd say Sisters of Battle (Witch Hunters) because of how little support there is for them from Games Workshop. It'll be tough for a beginner to track down a copy of the White Dwarf that has the Sisters update in it. Dark Eldar is a tough army to play at the start, but at least you can actually play with them. For Sisters, it'll take some work to even be able to start playing.

**The Dragon**

Tau.. for most all of the reasons already given or Sisters of Battle.

The rules are phase and turn dependant-- which can trip new players badly not to mention yes the abominable model costs, WD requirement, and current under-poweredness.

**Doklunggraba**

Space Marines (Codex)... Why cause all your buddies will take the piss out of you for playing with cheese, THATS WHY!

**The Dragon**

Im sorry, surely you meant Grey Knights?

**YELLOWBLADES**

Probebly dark eldar

**dannydakka**

I think tau not because their hard to play(I have never tried)but its hard to learn the game when you only use one phase of the game
I found it louds easier to learn in a game with someone than on my own,and with someone else you could loose the game if you try something that army doesn't do very well

**Howlin' Mad Murdrean**

Dark Eldar. They're just so tactics heavy that you really cant make beginner's mistakes.

**wuestenfux**

Armies like Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Harlequins.
They are largely unforgivable. If you make a mistake, the whole game can be gone.
I suggest playing a Marine army at first. Rather boring, but you'll learn how to play.