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LunaHound wrote:

I'd forgotten about these models, but that'd make a great basis for a Penitent Engine pilot... Thanks!

hey johnHwangdd, If models are seen at uk gamesday this year, but codex isn't released until november, do you win or is it a draw? What about If not all of the models are Jez Goodwin, but just a significant proportion?

Even store staff a joking about this, this is getting humiliating, everyone knows DE have been squated.

Kanluwen wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Thanks, Red. I figured if Kanluwen didn't know, you would. I'd forgotten it was by Ben Counter.

When did I suddenly become the Encyclopedia Black Library?

You just happen to be one of the more well-read members of the forum with a penchant for remembering obscure BL details is all.

Yes obviously they have been squated . . . </> sarcasm

Come on if they had been squated then they wouldn't be on the website, they wouldn't be in the Battle Missions book. So unless you have evidence to show otherwise, just accept that they are still an active army in the eyes of GW.

Oshova

Only problem being, active army for GW; when talking about an army from 3rd ed that is not a can (bring the marine hate ;D); means keeping it as long as it doesnt mean too much work.

Beyond marines, most codices from before 5thEd really ned a rework for different reasons.

DE need one because they dont have alot of choices in their codex, and the competitive army list is really easy to predict. Plus the models mostly suck.

My CSM are only lacking in number of choices for a good list ^^.

Oshova wrote:Yes obviously they have been squated . . . </> sarcasm

Come on if they had been squated then they wouldn't be on the website, they wouldn't be in the Battle Missions book. So unless you have evidence to show otherwise, just accept that they are still an active army in the eyes of GW.

Oshova

Sorry, sorry. I was joking. I know they are going to get an update i'm sure, for all the players that really want one from GW. I just hope it is soon that's all.

As much as I would love to play a bunch of eldar in Capitan Morgan pose flying around on rhino sized speeders with ship sails, Id have to agree with what almost everyone else has said: Ill believe it when its on the advance orders page.

Black Blow Fly wrote:

Ketara wrote:I'm inclined to believe, simply because if they were going to squat them, they would have done it by now.

I don't know about that... Considering all the hate GW received when they dropped the squats I can see them simply not saying anything and never releasing a new codex. Two years ago at Adepticon Phil Kelly said they would eventually get a new codex but it still hasn't happened yet. It's too bad.

Here is a list of races that still need a new codex:

Black Templars
Dark Angels*
Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters
Necrons
Tau
Eldar*
Dark Eldar

Did I miss any?
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Chaos

Leggy wrote:hey johnHwangdd, If models are seen at uk gamesday this year, but codex isn't released until november, do you win or is it a draw?

What about If not all of the models are Jez Goodwin, but just a significant proportion?

If you go to the first page, when I initially accept Yakface's challenge, he's talking about release, so I think that the (US) release date is what matters, not announcement date.

As Yakface said that Jes was sculpting the models, not "Jes & team", I'm thinking it'd be a push.

Of course, feel free to PM Yakface to get his thoughts.

ceorron wrote:

Oshova wrote:Yes obviously they have been squated . . . </> sarcasm

Come on if they had been squated then they wouldn't be on the website, they wouldn't be in the Battle Missions book. So unless you have evidence to show otherwise, just accept that they are still an active army in the eyes of GW.

Oshova

Sorry, sorry. I was joking. I know they are going to get an update i'm sure, for all the players that really want one from GW. I just hope it is soon that's all.

Much to my friends and my relief, the crons and DE where in the battle missions book. However, Inquisitors where not. This scares me.

Black Blow Fly wrote:Here is the actual background to the dark eldar. They are the original eldar. Eldar were basically the hippies who forsaw the coming destruction of their homeworld and built craftworlds so they could move off planet to survive the impending death of their homeworld. Commoraugh is not the homeworld of the eldar. The surviving members of the original eldar moved there to re establish themselves. The vast majority of all eldar were destroyed with the birth of Slaanesh. Their destroyed planet gave rise to the Eye of Terror. Both eldar and dark eldar are a dying race. They once ruled a vast section of the galaxy but slowly succumbed to their hedonistic ways. The dark eldar are the few survivors who were off planet when the disaster occurred. They are few and not thriving by any means. They have very limited technology since most of it was lost during the destruction of their homeworld. As such they are forced to survive operating very much as bands of pirates. You will note there is no army to represent them in either Epic or Battle Fleet Gothic. They have no warmachines as such.
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Okay, some detailed corrections:
1.) "Original Eldar": All Eldar fractions (craftworld, Exodites, Corsairs) existed already pre-fall and are in a sense original, the Dark Eldar society has the closest resemblance to the hedonistic pre-fall main culture, although with very important modifications.
2.) Hippies: The first wave of departing Eldar were the Exodites, who chose to colonise far away maiden worlds, prefering the simple life there to the hedonistic life back home. The second wave of departing Eldar were the Craftworld Eldar. Most Craftworld Eldar didn't forsee the fall, they departed earlier because they didn't like the hedonistic (hippie like ) society. They had to depart quite early as the area of destruction was huge. Most craftworlds were destroyed.
3.) Homeworld: There was not just one Eldar homeworld, but hundreds of them. Plus uncolonised and colonised maiden worlds. Most homeworks were destroyed, the rest turned into crone worlds. Many distant maiden worlds survived, colonised by Exodites or not. The webway was also unaffected. Some Eldar managed to flee into the webway just before the fall. Azdrubal Vect claims to be the founder of the city (not planet) Commorragh (not Commoraugh) which seems to be a construct.
4.) Eye of Terror: The area of destruction is a thousand light years in diameter, centered around the heart of the Empire, but not a single planet. All Eldar in that area were instantly killed (no survivors to flee!). As said, Exodites, a few craftworlders, Halrequins and Corsairs survived, not just Dark Eldar. The exact way, how DE fled, was not revealed in published background BTW.
5.) Technology: DE share some technology with craftworlders (antigrav jetbikes and some fliers), but have also developed their own stuff, including shadow lances that shoot "black matter", something that no other race seems to have mastered. They have (BFG) ships, but these only fit the largest webways. For slave hunts, smaller vehicles and hit-and-run tactics are more appropriate.
6.) Eldar souls contain high psionic energies (Eldar Codex p14). The basis of all Eldar technology is psionics (the race includes all fractions: craftworlders, corsairs, Exodites, Dark Eldar, Harlequins). The material of choice are psychoplastines, that is material formed by psyonic forces each Eldar owns, wraithbone being the most prominent of these materials (see page 13 Codex Eldar).

So much for a corrected version of "the actual background", as can be read in the Codices of Eldar and Dark Eldar. Be aware that the background will be rewritten and maybe changed with the new DE Codex. BL and FW seem to be on hold to produce new stuff for DE before that release.

olympia wrote:There will be one more 40k codex this year...DE or Necrons? hmmm....

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

John , so basically the bet / wager is:

Will new DE be released in 2010? ( not confirmation , not advanced order ) a pure an simple "will the new DE be out to the stores
available to us customers within 2010"right?

@ Kroothawk

Thanks for your post. It's appreciated and helps clarify better what I said. What I was told is that the dark eldar that survived were those that were off planet(s) and far away when the great fall occurred. Basically they were on party cruises. The dark eldar are thought of as the last of the original eldar since others like Exodites and Craftworlders came about later. So the dark eldar represent what was the mainstream eldar society prior to the great fall. We know that they at one time had their aspect warriors and it is commonly believed that the former leader of the Striking Scorpions split off with the dark eldar to create the Incubi.

While dark eldar and eldar are enemies there is a Black Library novel that was released a few years ago that revealed one craftworld had been infiltrated by the dark eldar and the ruling members of this craftworld had secretly succumbed to Slaanesh. There was also a short story in the old Inferno magazine that revealed the dark eldar had managed to penetrate the eldar matrix where the souls of dead eldar taken from their gemstones are stored (can't remember the correct terminology).

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Too bad that BL novel was "Warrior Coven" by CS.Goto who has no clue about Eldar and Dark Eldar.
The affected craftworld in that novel was none less than Ulthwé including Eldrad, but according to Goto, every second Eldar and Dark Eldar has nothing better to do than worship Slaanesh (including Lilith and all Dark Eldar of said novel). As said, he has not the slightest clue about Eldar. Thank God, Gav Thorpe is releasing a new Eldar triology this summer.

The dark eldar are thought of as the last of the original eldar since others like Exodites and Craftworlders came about later.

Later than what? The exodites and craftworlds were around before the fall.


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Kroothawk wrote:Too bad that BL novel was "Warrior Coven" by CS.Goto who has no clue about Eldar and Dark Eldar.
The affected craftworld in that novel was none less than Ulthwé including Eldrad, but according to Goto, every second Eldar and Dark Eldar has nothing better to do than worship Slaanesh (including Lilith and all Dark Eldar of said novel). As said, he has not the slightest clue about Eldar. Thank God, Gav Thorpe is releasing a new Eldar triology this summer.

Wait... His secret source has been C.S. Goto this entire time? No wonder he has no idea what he's talking about.

LunaHound wrote:John , so basically the bet / wager is:

Will new DE be released in 2010?

( not confirmation , not advanced order ) a pure an simple "will the new DE be out to the stores
available to us customers within 2010"right?

More or less, although the timeline doesn't go all the way to 12/31/2010. The wager (proposed on 10/10/2008) was whether a Dark Eldar Codex would / wouldn't be released within 2 years (10/10/2010), written by Phil Kelly & new models sculpted by Jes Goodwin.

You can check the link in this thread, or in my user profile.

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

JohnHwangDD wrote:Perhaps you should have put down a wager with Yakface like I did. I wonder if anybody on the board is man enough to take you up on a wager when you're proven to be right.

Well you're on to get a dollar because there's no way on earth DE will be out by October.

Ostrakon wrote:

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

I haven't read the confirmation myself, but AFAIK it was Grey Knights pure . A mail order man said Inquisition, but my bet is on a Grey Knight Codex without Inquisition and Sororitas, but with a Storm Raven model, maybe anti-grav bikes and other stuff.

Kroothawk wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

I haven't read the confirmation myself, but AFAIK it was Grey Knights pure . A mail order man said Inquisition, but my bet is on a Grey Knight Codex without Inquisition and Sororitas, but with a Storm Raven model, maybe anti-grav bikes and other stuff.

Anti-grav bikes would be nice, but I thought that the fluff has now relegated them to being pre-heresy, the Master of the Ravenwing is a highly unusual exception. Though GW could easily retcon that.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

I haven't read the confirmation myself, but AFAIK it was Grey Knights pure . A mail order man said Inquisition, but my bet is on a Grey Knight Codex without Inquisition and Sororitas, but with a Storm Raven model, maybe anti-grav bikes and other stuff.

Anti-grav bikes would be nice, but I thought that the fluff has now relegated them to being pre-heresy, the Master of the Ravenwing is a highly unusual exception. Though GW could easily retcon that.

Adeptus Custodes have jetbikes, don't they?


Or have these been retconned out of existence? That'd be a shame because they are pretty awesome and would perfectly fit with the GK theme of being, well, Knights. Space Knights with Space Horses (jetbikes).

I have an old Chaplain on a Jetbike . . . It's so small, but looks cool. Would love to have some GK on jetbikes.

Also someone down the local GW has made a pre-heresy army, they made jetbikes out of the normal SM bike models. Very nice.

But sadly the fluff says that the only surviving one belongs to Sammael. =[

Oshova

So they'll just change it, or come up with a new model/something similar. They have just created this stormraven thing out of nowhere and said it's an old stc template that the imperium found down the back of the sofa. They'll add whatever the hell they want to sell.

Anywyas, I seem to recall this thread being about dark eldar...

Kroothawk wrote:.....Most homeworks were destroyed, the rest turned into crone worlds....

Most homeworks were destroyed eah.. Must have been bad.

Talking seriously for a while.

I think in the new DE codex, whenever that should arrive, there should most deffinitely be harlequins it just works on many levels and are a requirement in my opinion.

For the release of the new codexs, this is how I think it should go:

Dark Eldar
Tau
Necrons
Daemon Hunters
Eldar
Witch Hunters
Chaos
Dark Angels
Black Templars

This is how I think it will go:

Daemon Hunters
Tau
Necrons
Eldar
Black Templars
Witch Hunters
Dark Eldar
Chaos
Dark Angels

Any other suggestions

As you will note I'm doubting that Deamon Hunters and Witch Hunters are rolled into one codex.

From what I've pieced together, the estimated release order of new codexes is:

Dark eldar
Grey Knights (DH)
Necrons

after that it's a complete mystery, Tau have supposedly been started but not long ago so they could follow another imperial release which could either be Black Templars, Dark Angels or maybe Sisters of Battle.

Dark Eldar + Tau + Necrons back to back? I don't think GW has ever released three xenos codices in a row, much less when two of these are high risk investments.
Tau + Necrons + Eldar is like above, three xenos codices in a row.
Considering the current rumors this seems more likely...

Dark Eldar
Grey Knights
Necrons
Anything beyond is pure speculation

I imagine that Games Workshop will want to wrap up the chapter marines in short order, so just sprinkle DA and BT in-between future releases.

Edit: Soundly beaten by Gargskull

Here are a few rumors I heard regarding their new rules:

*Reaver jet bikes can drag a model away with their chains from a hit and run on a failed save, and then bomb it (strength 4 small blast) back on a unit it passes over with it's next 24 inch move - causing them to go to ground if they take a wound.

*The Talos being a walker "of sorts", recieving a -3 for glances and a -2 for pens?

*A Haemonculi character upgrade dominating run down units (presumably taking control of the unit instead of destroying it)


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@Black Blow Fly: So you've finally read my post on the first page then

Don't disclose my source please.

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