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The problem with Vect and Leilith are that they don't have EW, which means they get killed as soon as they fail a save.

Vect would take about 4 rounds of combat to kill him, and in the same number of turns Lysander would cause 5 wounds on Vect which isn't quite enough to statisically say Vect would be dead. Basically it comes down to when you fail that 2++ inv, technically its advantage Vect but you are riding your luck with that 2++.

Leilith has the same issue except worse, her Shardnet dropping Lysander to two attacks helps but needing 5's to wound means she will take longer to kill him as well. Assuming she has 8 attacks (4 based + 3 for her WS bonus + 1 CCW I think) she is going to take 7 rounds to do enough wounds to drop Lysander, but even with 2 attacks he is only going to take 4 rounds to statistically get a wound through the 3++. Even if you added Furious Charge (from Pain Tokens) for the first round I don't think things would go well for Leilith.

A pimped up Archon with some form of power weapon (the whip is probably the most helpful in this case as the Huskblade doesn't help), Shadowfield, Drugs and a Soul Trap would probably do better than Leilith actually. With Drugs giving you either re-rolls to wound or +1A you would end up in a similar situation to Vect, hitting on 3's (except without re-rolls) but wounding on 2's (possibly with re-rolls). The only catch being that you have to have killed at least 1 character beforehand for this to work and you do depend on the Drugs roll a bit.

I both cases you could just throw a couple of Shardnet Wyches at him and massively swing things in your favour though, 1A per round isn't going to kill much (and with a Clonefield he kills absolutely nothing).

Destroyer Lord with Warscythe and inv save?

He is T6 and ignores lysanders inv save, has higher initiative and in case he gets killed, he has a decent chance to rise again

He's T5 base, and Lysander's S10. He instantly kills the Necron Lord.

Putting the Lord on a destroyer body puts him to T6 (not modified like a bike, just straight T6 I believe).

Ail-Shan wrote:Putting the Lord on a destroyer body puts him to T6 (not modified like a bike, just straight T6 I believe).

Your right hes T6 base with the uprgrade

Assuming lord gets the charge

lorrd 4 attacks- 2 hits- 1.33 wounds

lysander 3 attacks- 1.5 hits- 1.25 wounds

round 2
lord 3 attacks 1.5 hits- 1 wound

lysander 3 attacks- 1.5 hits- 1.25 wounds

round 3
lord 3 attacks 1.5 hits- 1 wound

lysander 3 attacks- 1.5 hits- 1.25 wounds

the lord going to win this fight, and even if lysander kills him hes got a 50/50 chance of getting back up

Yep, looks like I need to read the Necron codex more. Although the tome is so ancient that it's probably printed on stone slabs.

We were playing around tonight, and put Marneus Calgar, Abaddon, a Swarmlord, and all Dark Angels leaders against him, head-to-head, no charges. Lysander crushed them all except for Abaddon, but he was making lots of saves and eventually dragged Abaddon down.

Two matchups, not face-to-face, however does get around Eternal Warrior: Ezekiel's Mind Worm psychic power and the Deciever's Decieve power. It forces a leadership check against any opponent's model, when/if failed, the model is removed from play, not destroyed or wounded. But good luck getting him to make a failed Leadership test...

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:We were playing around tonight, and put Marneus Calgar, Abaddon, a Swarmlord, and all Dark Angels leaders against him, head-to-head, no charges. Lysander crushed them all except for Abaddon, but he was making lots of saves and eventually dragged Abaddon down.

Two matchups, not face-to-face, however does get around Eternal Warrior: Ezekiel's Mind Worm psychic power and the Deciever's Decieve power. It forces a leadership check against any opponent's model, when/if failed, the model is removed from play, not destroyed or wounded. But good luck getting him to make a failed Leadership test...

Which is why in game, nothing is in a vacuum. If one was actually planning on having the decievers power do something, there probably is a unit of perahas around to make stuff LD7.

I thought the deciever simply had the opponent take a ld test or be pinned, and if the unit was fearless they took wounds based on how much they failed by. I never saw a "remove from play" anywhere in the Necron codex.

I Necron lord with destoyer body res orb and phase shifter and a war scythe.

can't die instantly
4+ invul
can get back up
ignores armor an invul saves
strikes first.

I think Khorne's very own SKULLTAKER would have to be deployed...or Fabius Bile, if you rolled the dice well on doing his stats....That or an orbital barrage!

What we all need to bare in mind is that Lysander Tw*tted a Titan in one on One (yes ok he had the WOOT Grenade!) but there is very little in the universe as nails as him. Plus his PTSD after being tortured and probably interfered with by Chaos gives him a well of anger probably deeper than the mariana trench...FACT (probably)

I repeat the Destroyer Lord with Phase Shifter, Res. Orb, and Warscythe. Heck throw a Phylactery on their too so you can come back with full wounds.

The WBB is effectively a FNP roll against a Thunderhammer. And the Warscythe ignores Lysander's saves.

Deadly.

Slaaneshi Chaos Lords with Daemon weapons or Archons with Huskblades. The chaos lord being the more likely of the two.

C'Tan would ignore his invun saves.

Lysander is an eternal warrior, so neither of those work.

Callidus Assassin or Eversor Assassin.

Ive got to say, yes there are ways in which to kill the yellow fellow, but in a normal game, he is just scary awesome. Hes a bit like the SM version of Ghazzy

Skulltaker could take him Surely???


Or at the very least Fateweaver ^^?

+1 Skulltaker...

Calgar actually would win only if he played "dirty" and uses God of War to disengage combats on Lysander's turns to add charge & shooting. Just clobbering away, the slightly better inv.save gives Lysander the edge.

Calgar vs. Lysander

"Ultramarine Turn 1" Locked in combat without charge.
Calgar: 5 attacks, 2,5 hits, 2,431 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,8101 unsaved
Lysander: 4 attacks, 2 hits, 1,666 wounds, 0,8333 unsaved

"Imperial Fist Turn 1" Locked in combat without charge.
Calgar: 5 attacks, 2,5 hits, 2,431 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,8101 unsaved (1,6202 total)
Lysander: 4 attacks, 2 hits, 1,666 wounds, 0,8333 unsaved (1,6666 total)
Calgar uses "God of War" to disengage and fall back

"Ultramarine Turn 2" Calgar first shoots; then charges
Calgar shooting: 2 shots, 1,666 hits (AP2), 1,62 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,5401 unsaved (2,1603 total)
Calgar: 6 attacks, 3 hits, 2,916 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,9722 unsaved (3,1325 total)
Lysander: 4 attacks, 2 hits, 1,666 wounds, 0,8333 unsaved (2,4999 total)

"Imperial Fist Turn 2" Locked in combat without charge.
Calgar: 5 attacks, 2,5 hits, 2,431 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,8101 unsaved (3,9426 total)
Lysander: 4 attacks, 2 hits, 1,666 wounds, 0,8333 unsaved (3,3333 total)
Calgar uses "God of War" to disengage and fall back

"Ultramarine Turn 3" Calgar first shoots; then charges
Calgar shooting: 2 shots, 1,666 hits (AP2), 1,62 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,5401 unsaved (4,4827 total; Lysander dead on average)
Calgar: 6 attacks, 3 hits, 2,916 wounds (with re-rolls), 0,9722 unsaved (5,4549 total)
Lysander: 4 attacks, 2 hits, 1,666 wounds, 0,8333 unsaved (4,1663 total; Calgar dead on average)

Could you not just throw some genestealers with a broodlord on him? If he gets of the psycic power lysander is dead meat.

Niiai wrote:Could you not just throw some genestealers with a broodlord on him? If he gets of the psycic power lysander is dead meat.

Yes you could, but that isnt a 1 ON 1 thats a unit on 1. If you do that then it gets much easier to handle the guy

Zweischneid wrote:Calgar actually would win only if he played "dirty"

Your whole analysis is flawed. Lysander has 3 attacks.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Calgar actually would win only if he played "dirty"

Your whole analysis is flawed. Lysander has 3 attacks.

ahh, alright. Missed that. Well, that puts Calgar clearly on top than

KingCracker wrote:

Niiai wrote:Could you not just throw some genestealers with a broodlord on him? If he gets of the psycic power lysander is dead meat.

Yes you could, but that isnt a 1 ON 1 thats a unit on 1. If you do that then it gets much easier to handle the guy

I know but it just seems like sutch an odd thing to discuss. The man does not have a ranged attack, yet he boosts the bolters in the suqad he is in. Also you need to deliver him into the think of it witch seems hard. Teleport, drop pod or landraider. Altgough he is a powerhouse I kind of get bugged by these threads because IC can always get there ass kicked by wast numbers.

Although if it was down to one unit a lott have been sugested already. I would personaly like to se the trygon prime eat him up though.

Niiai wrote:
I know but it just seems like sutch an odd thing to discuss. The man does not have a ranged attack, yet he boosts the bolters in the suqad he is in. Also you need to deliver him into the think of it witch seems hard. Teleport, drop pod or landraider. Altgough he is a powerhouse I kind of get bugged by these threads because IC can always get there ass kicked by wast numbers.

Sure, but your "vast numbers" of genestealers might in turn get splatted by a Vindicator or two perhaps before getting to Lysander, or some Sternguard, or Devestators or some such blazing away.. or.. or..

Kinda truly makes the discussion pointless. Every unit is embedded in an army, and different elements work better/worse against others: rock-scissor-paper.

1 on 1 discussions a fun way to waste some time because everyone likes a badass hero. Don't take it too seriously.

I still think Ghaz on the charge is the best chance at putting him down. Another good match up would be Grimnar on the charge giving him self both preferred enemy and +1 attack. That would be 7 str 8 (or str 5 hitting at I5) re-roll to hit attacks on Lysander. Sounds like he would have a decent chance of putting him down, especially since both have eternal warrior.

OverwatchCNC wrote:I still think Ghaz on the charge is the best chance at putting him down.

THe erlier discussion is correct, Nightbringer>Ghaz in this case I'm afraid. Ignoring the 3++ save and wounding on 2+ gives him an enormous edge.

OK, hands down: Bjorn kiting him with a plasma cannon


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No! Even more humiliating! A wolf priest with jaws of the world wolf. Chomp.

wolf priest yes.
bjorn....?