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Whatever1 wrote:

warboss wrote:

Whatever1 wrote:You've obviously never heard of "teasers" as they relate to advertising for upcoming releases.

obviously you never did. what they sent out over the weekend was a teaser. today was supposed to be actual news.

BA 2nd wave in Febuary isn't news? Just because it isn't as much news as you would like doesn't mean it isn't news.

Are you oxygen deprived? Sending out the email saying 'TUNE IN TOMORROW FOR HUGE BA 2nd WAVE NEWS' was the teaser. The 'news' was given right then in the email. No need to say there was more big stuff coming up the next day. Today's news update was supposed to be the 'trailer'. Instead they gave us the EXACT same info as the teaser. Don't be thick, you know bloody well what people are upset about, it makes COMPLETE sense where the screw up was, why we didn't like it, and why it was a misleading email. God it drives me nuts when GW apologists pull the 'be happy they did anything at all' card... which by the way I called as upcoming on page one of this thread.

Whatever1, you are entitled to be happy with the news yourself, no problem. But stop making totally biased and frankly factually incorrect arguments as to why nearly everyone else (including Kanluwen even!) who thinks it was a piss poor move are somehow being irrational. This is about as black and white a GW case as there ever was. Teaser sent + everyone gets excited + news is non-existent and transparent attempt to re-advertise current offerings for xmas = they straight up misled us.

Could it be a @#$% up between production and marketing?

Marketing was all set for the big preview but the models/photos weren't ready?

Or maybe they're just yanking our chains like the pavlovian dogs we are.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Could it be a @#$% up between production and marketing?

Marketing was all set for the big preview but the models/photos weren't ready?

One photo, at least, is ready: they posted it once by mistake.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Could it be a @#$% up between production and marketing?

Marketing was all set for the big preview but the models/photos weren't ready?

Or maybe they're just yanking our chains like the pavlovian dogs we are.

I would be inclined to believe that if they didn't do the exact same thing last month with the new Skaven coming out in January.

Newsletter: New Skaven are coming in January! Check out the website tomorrow for more information!
Website: New Skaven are coming in January! Here's a bunch of pictures of our old Skaven that you can buy right now!

AlexHolker wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Could it be a @#$% up between production and marketing?

Marketing was all set for the big preview but the models/photos weren't ready?

One photo, at least, is ready: they posted it once by mistake.

And didn't that go splendedly? The only positive comments in that thread were for a 5 minute photoshop job.

Just out of curiousity, is it possible that this announcement was planned to announce the Stormraven and whatever else, but due to the negative reaction to the (perhaps purposefully) leaked model, they yanked it for retooling and stumbled over this announcement?

It's too expensive to 're-tool' a model that's complete, and I really doubt GW cares what we think.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's too expensive to 're-tool' a model that's complete, and I really doubt GW cares what we think.

It's possible, though. Of course they care what we think; if they find out that the community hates the new model, and that most people are going to scratch build, then who's to say they won't change it? The general reaction to it must be the worst reaction to any GW pre release!

warboss wrote: no one will write an actual letter as people in 2010 are simply too lazy. we'd be lucky if a few people even bothered to click the email link i provided even before your faux british admonishment not to.

dude! we're not all lazy, I wrote Jervis a letter, and got a response! I even got a reply from 'him'. Wasn't a great reply, pretty much said some years they do this, some years they do the other, the years you don't like it tuff, wait for a year you do.

I'm not however saying you would from customer services.... haven't tried that one yet.

Seeing as, really, the only news here is, alas, a distinct lack of news, I'm going to move this to 40K general.

Just out of curiousity, is it possible that this announcement was planned to announce the Stormraven and whatever else, but due to the negative reaction to the (perhaps purposefully) leaked model, they yanked it for retooling and stumbled over this announcement?

No.

And it was an accident as well.

The only "re-tooling" that I could see them doing would be to take another picture from a more flattering angle. Once a mold is made, I am given to understand that is a lot of the production cost for plastic models. They will not change it up now, except to take a different picture.

svendrex wrote:The only "re-tooling" that I could see them doing would be to take another picture from a more flattering angle. Once a mold is made, I am given to understand that is a lot of the production cost for plastic models. They will not change it up now, except to take a different picture.

Plus it'd mean that they would almost certainly "miss" the planned release date which would mean hurting GK sales...

Nah... This is just GW managing to screw up a bunch of things in short order.

Valete,

JohnS

This decision could just be as simple as "If we tell them there will be plastic furioso dreadnoughts coming in February no one will buy our crappy metal ones until then." They can keep us in the dark in the hopes that a few people will still buy the old models right up until they release the new ones.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Or maybe they're just yanking our chains like the pavlovian dogs we are.

At least Pavlov actually fed the dogs, rather than just ringing the bell and kicking them in the face.

Christmas Con...

More shameless misdirection in order to advertise already available kits...

They have no honour...

timetowaste85 wrote:Am I the only person excited for a BA second wave? Haha. Seriously though, this might be the first plastic dreadnaught that I buy, not including the ones that I have from AoBR that I converted-one has the wings of a Lord of Change and a chaos knight lance to be my Librarian Dreadnaught, and one has a couple of claws-one from forgeworld-to be my death company dread.

I'm jazed. Plastic Furiouso!

reds8n wrote:Seeing as, really, the only news here is, alas, a distinct lack of news, I'm going to move this to 40K general.

Just out of curiousity, is it possible that this announcement was planned to announce the Stormraven and whatever else, but due to the negative reaction to the (perhaps purposefully) leaked model, they yanked it for retooling and stumbled over this announcement?

No.

And it was an accident as well.

Far too many "accidents" here to make this palpably beleivable. They are going to do the re-tooling I just know they are.

so the new "wave" of BA is- a furioso.
I was thinking more of stormraven, libby dread, furioso, battleforce, ect.
dissapointed.

Guess my BA army isnt as done as I thought ;( Need new furiosos!

ceorron wrote:They are going to do the re-tooling I just know they are.

Rather than retooling the existing sprues, they could add another sprue. Not that this seems likely, but adding another sprue that extends the hull (and maybe includes some GK-appropriate bits, too) would solve the biggest problem with the model.

reds8n wrote:Seeing as, really, the only news here is, alas, a distinct lack of news, I'm going to move this to 40K general.

Just out of curiousity, is it possible that this announcement was planned to announce the Stormraven and whatever else, but due to the negative reaction to the (perhaps purposefully) leaked model, they yanked it for retooling and stumbled over this announcement?

No.

And it was an accident as well.

Or a really good ad ploy. They new someone would get it and put it on a fan website. Then they could sit back and read its results. The GW spies are among us...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Could it be a @#$% up between production and marketing?

Yes, since several years

Happygrunt wrote:

reds8n wrote:Seeing as, really, the only news here is, alas, a distinct lack of news, I'm going to move this to 40K general.

Just out of curiousity, is it possible that this announcement was planned to announce the Stormraven and whatever else, but due to the negative reaction to the (perhaps purposefully) leaked model, they yanked it for retooling and stumbled over this announcement?

No.

And it was an accident as well.

Or a really good ad ploy. They new someone would get it and put it on a fan website. Then they could sit back and read its results. The GW spies are among us...

Lets hope they read this site, and NEVER release the craptastic piece of garbage that is that junkraven!

GW WHY!!! we have been good, why the bad vehicle? We have been faithful to the emperor, and have read our primer every night, and sent many prayers to the Emperor and the Omnissiah! This monstrosity must have had influence of the dark forces of the warp!

Damn! Not sure if it's just me with this thought, but that Storm Raven look like one ugly model!

Gw has announced plans for an airborne based mini expansion like planetstrike, so it would make sense that any air units without models would be a bit of a priority. It would be nice If they surprised us all with a nice big harpy model for the nids too , but I think if gk are getting the raven too it makes sense to release first.

From Warseer: Frgt/10 claims the battleforce will have 10 Tacticals, 5 Assault Marines, 5 Death Company and a Rhino.

Hopefully he is completely wrong, because if he's not it's simply an inferior version of the SM battleforce rather than providing something distinctly different.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's too expensive to 're-tool' a model that's complete, and I really doubt GW cares what we think.

Most everyone on the internet has seen it by now. 'our' reaction was overwhelmingly negative. I'm sure they at least acknowledge that. They have spies everywhere, you know


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AlexHolker wrote:From Warseer: Frgt/10 claims the battleforce will have 10 Tacticals, 5 Assault Marines, 5 Death Company and a Rhino.

Hopefully he is completely wrong, because if he's not it's simply an inferior version of the SM battleforce rather than providing something distinctly different.

Which is what I said a couple pages ago

Samus_aran115 wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:From Warseer: Frgt/10 claims the battleforce will have 10 Tacticals, 5 Assault Marines, 5 Death Company and a Rhino.

Hopefully he is completely wrong, because if he's not it's simply an inferior version of the SM battleforce rather than providing something distinctly different.

Which is what I said a couple pages ago

As did I. That's what I get for not checking further back when discussing the same thing in two different places.

A Blood Angel second wave to put out more guys in power armor posed differently with NEW AND EXCITING SHOULDER PADS meanwhile there's no Mycetic Spore, Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Harpy, Parasite of Mortrex or warrior sized Lash Whips/Bone Swords? Ya know, the codex that came out first and is missing more important and just plain more models?