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DarknessEternal wrote:I am considering leaving Dakka though. It's done far worse in the last few weeks; this thread and it's copies included.

All this petulant whining has gone too far.

Don't let the door hit you etc. etc.

It's entirely your choice as to which threads you read/comment in. Don't like the current subject matter? Don't read them or make your own thread about stuff you *do* want to talk about.

L. Wrex

DarknessEternal wrote:I am considering leaving Dakka though. It's done far worse in the last few weeks; this thread and it's copies included.

All this petulant whining has gone too far.

Isn't whining about a very legitimate concern just complaining?

Isn't saying price rises, coupled with dubious morality business 'changing of the goalposts' regarding trading internationally, coupled with the rapidly escalating disaster of the resin miniatures quality all a fairly reasonable points to complain about on a forum dedicated to wargaming?

If there are multiple threads, they are due to the sheer weight of dissatisfaction with what the company is doing atm, the groundswell of popular discontent from the customer base towards the company's practices.

Ultimately, point one, you can't tell folks to shut up by dint of the number of them being angry about this and, point two, if it has become terrible enough to upset you just by looking at thread titles (as you can always not open them...) then, perhaps, for you're blood pressure's sake, you should vacate the premises.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I am considering leaving Dakka though. It's done far worse in the last few weeks; this thread and it's copies included.

All this petulant whining has gone too far.

Isn't whining about a very legitimate concern just complaining?

Isn't saying price rises, coupled with dubious morality business 'changing of the goalposts' regarding trading internationally, coupled with the rapidly escalating disaster of the resin miniatures quality all a fairly reasonable points to complain about on a forum dedicated to wargaming?

If there are multiple threads, they are due to the sheer weight of dissatisfaction with what the company is doing atm, the groundswell of popular discontent from the customer base towards the company's practices.

Ultimately, point one, you can't tell folks to shut up by dint of the number of them being angry about this and, point two, if it has become terrible enough to upset you just by looking at thread titles (as you can always not open them...) then, perhaps, for you're blood pressure's sake, you should vacate the premises.

While I do understand his sentiment and yours, I think that there is far less of a problem with these threads as I don't have to read them, as there is a much bigger problem when these sentiments infiltrate other threads.

just my .02.

Oh and I am not thinking of leaving dakka, just for clarification

The amazing thing about Dakka (and every other forum for that matter) is how you can simply not read threads that don't interest you.

It might be difficult to get to grips with at the start, but it gets easier as you start ignore all the threads that you don't like.

I've mostly purchased second hand/swapped for quiet some time, avoiding direct GW/store purchasing when ever I can.
ATM, I have a half complete Praetorian IG Army that I've invested to much time and money into to abandon (70% second hand purchases), I plan to finish it , using ebay and making trades/second hand purchases + alternative minis were I can.

At one point, I was spending near $1,500.00 a year on GW , and though I fully realize that's just a drop in the bucket when compared to GW's overall "haul"...I'll feel much better knowing my "small contribution" won't be finding it's way into GW's coffers.

What is sad about this is that there is FINALLY something legitimate to complain about regarding GW business practices. But I've become so inured by years of pointless, petulant, pedantic whining on Dakka that even this current strain sounds false. It isn't, of course, but who can tell after years of crying wolf. So I find myself with little compassion.

GW isn't a company to me, but rather a universe. And one I still love, moronic business decisions from the genesis company aside. I like talking about it. The universe I mean. The happiness little toy soldiers bring. A luxury.

If you are going quit because the prices have become unacceptable, I wish you well. If you are going to talk about quitting, but then sit around DakkaDakka, subtitled Warhammer 40K Forums, to whine about the injustice of a company that makes 1 inch dolls (and vehicles for them), but not in the manner you'd wish, then suck it.

DarknessEternal wrote:I am considering leaving Dakka though. It's done far worse in the last few weeks; this thread and it's copies included.

All this petulant whining has gone too far.

I dont understand why you would leave the site when you could just avoid reading the posts that are upsetting you?

The momentum behind these types of posts is a testament to the real concerns being voiced in the wargamming community.

Your opinon is as valid as theirs are.

dienekes96 wrote:If you are going quit because the prices have become unacceptable, I wish you well. If you are going to talk about quitting, but then sit around DakkaDakka, subtitled Warhammer 40K Forums, to whine about the injustice of a company that makes 1 inch dolls (and vehicles for them), but not in the manner you'd wish, then suck it.

That’s a tremendously unintelligent viewpoint there, Chuck.

If you want to post here you can’t be unhappy with GW? If you want to post here you cannot voice concerns over the company responsible for the site’s chief attraction? If you’re going to post here you should just suck it up and accept the things you don’t like, or, at the very least, never bring them up? Is that what you really think? Really?

And the very idea that this series of recent decisions by GW are the first ‘legitimate’ complaints to come up and that previous complaints were just ‘crying wolf’ is also utterly preposterous.

E-BAY

H.B.M.C. wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:If you are going quit because the prices have become unacceptable, I wish you well. If you are going to talk about quitting, but then sit around DakkaDakka, subtitled Warhammer 40K Forums, to whine about the injustice of a company that makes 1 inch dolls (and vehicles for them), but not in the manner you'd wish, then suck it.

That’s a tremendously unintelligent viewpoint there, Chuck.

If you want to post here you can’t be unhappy with GW? If you want to post here you cannot voice concerns over the company responsible for the site’s chief attraction? If you’re going to post here you should just suck it up and accept the things you don’t like, or, at the very least, never bring them up? Is that what you really think? Really?

And the very idea that this series of recent decisions by GW are the first ‘legitimate’ complaints to come up and that previous complaints were just ‘crying wolf’ is also utterly preposterous.

+1

....As this is a "War Gaming" forum, then surely all members of the "War Gaming" community should be able to voice their opinions concerning the decisions made by a " War Gaming" company....
Particularly a "War Gaming" company that seems to make a great deal of bad decisions concerning their interaction (or lack of) with said "War Gaming" community...

dienekes96 wrote:
If you are going quit because the prices have become unacceptable, I wish you well. If you are going to talk about quitting, but then sit around DakkaDakka, subtitled Warhammer 40K Forums, to whine about the injustice of a company that makes 1 inch dolls (and vehicles for them), but not in the manner you'd wish, then suck it.

Quitting for alot of people simply means stopping currently planned and future purchases. It doesn't mean that you suddenly stopped liking or wanting to talk about the universe that the game is set in or that your existing purchases simply go *poof* and disappear; most of my armies were paid for, built, and painted when you were just a little baby troll in wooden diapers. Not playing the game itself only serves to punish me instead of the company making the stupid decisions. I suggest that you simply *gasp* ignore the threads about this matter if you don't wish to read about it instead of trolling them as NO ONE is forcing you to click the links that are obviously about expressing dissatisfaction with GW's decisions.

dienekes96 wrote:What is sad about this is that there is FINALLY something legitimate to complain about regarding GW business practices. But I've become so inured by years of pointless, petulant, pedantic whining on Dakka that even this current strain sounds false. It isn't, of course, but who can tell after years of crying wolf. So I find myself with little compassion.

GW isn't a company to me, but rather a universe. And one I still love, moronic business decisions from the genesis company aside. I like talking about it. The universe I mean. The happiness little toy soldiers bring. A luxury.

If you are going quit because the prices have become unacceptable, I wish you well. If you are going to talk about quitting, but then sit around DakkaDakka, subtitled Warhammer 40K Forums, to whine about the injustice of a company that makes 1 inch dolls (and vehicles for them), but not in the manner you'd wish, then suck it.

You and darkness eternal are completly missing the point.

matter of fact, you just !@#$ed for !@#ing sake, much to your own amusement.

Go back and reread your post, then come back to the conversation when you know what your talking about. Not just because unless you've been under a rock for the past two weeks, the news has been crappy with a chance of !@#$ty, or because even the so called "Good news" is peppered with corperation tinted rose colored B.S.

I was going to call up a whole bunch of stuff and say some other stuff, but honesty, !@#$ it.

Your post here doesn't even hit a lick of sense. On one hand you !@#$ about something, then !@#$ about something else.

Completly missed the point. Thanks for your thought though, shallow though it was.


You accomplished so little... with so little effort. GRATZ, i guess.

Ah... now seems like good time to remind everyone to calm down, perhaps have another go over of the rules (link is in my signature) and, as always, stay polite.

Not leaving, but cutting back, now that I've got pretty much all I need for my three armies. Frankly a lot GW's "stuff" has disappointed me, but has'nt stopped me from buying. This will make me consider if I really, really NEED a model, rather than do I WANT that model.
I have no idea if the powers that be at GW HQ actually read any of this stuff, but reducing the quality of your product (casting material) while increasing the price is a sure-fire way to lose customers. Did'nt ANY of them go to a single business class?
It may be that GW will get its act together eventually. I've got plenty to paint, check my sig.

I get great deals from EBay and other online retail outlets that are up to 60% cheaper that GW Australian Shelf prices so i am not affected.

I stopped moaning and groaning, got over the disappointment and used this as an opportunity to look around. And i found replacements for Maelstrom and Wayland.

But it still amazes that there are a lot of individuals that are i am sorry to say are pathological whingers, they do nothing but complain and do nothing to help themselves.

I have absolutely no, i repeat absolutely no sympathy for any of them.

So my plans to expand my 17,000 point Chaos Space Marine Army continues, by the end of next year "touch wood" it will be 35,000 to 40,000 points.

Edit: nvm

As this thread, correctly titled, is designed for complaints, I decided to come in and complain. If it is alright to whine about the company, then I assumed it was alright to complain about the laborious tone of the boards. As that became complaining about a post complaining about the complainers, I see the rectum of Ourobouros rearing up.

To comply with Alpharius' wishes, I'll depart this thread.

So, as of this morning, the poll results are an interesting read;

Are you actually leaving GW?
I already stopped buying from them before recent events 19% [ 103 ]
I have stopped buying from them because of recent events 17% [ 90 ]
I will make one last purchase to finish current projects but nothing else 12% [ 63 ]
I will continue to buy from them, but not as much as before 29% [ 158 ]
This will not affect my buying habits 20% [ 110 ]
I will buy MORE!! GW are the best! 3% [ 15 ]
Total Votes : 539

While this is clearly not a scientific poll, for what it is worth, it's an interesting snapshot: First, we must remember that, given the nature of this website, this is a poll of people who already have strong feelings for GW, one way or another.

-People who refuse to patronize GW, either because of recent moves or past moves: 36%.

-People who will buy less or are winding down their buying: 41%.

-People unaffected or encouraged in their buying habits: 23%.

Respondents claiming negative buying habits (from no buying, to reduced buying): 77% (414). Respondents claiming no negative change or increased buying enthusiasm: 23% (125).

Now, as I said this is not a representative sample, but, I think it is fair to qualify these results as "overwhelmingly negative". As I said, this website is biased towards people with feelings (either good or bad) towards GW; not a lot of people completely apathetic here towards GW. The importance of these results comes from the fact that GW is largely (completely?) reliant on word of mouth advertising and a community approach.

As always, time will tell.

Buzzsaw wrote:Now, as I said this is not a representative sample, but, I think it is fair to qualify these results as "overwhelmingly negative".

Of a small, vocal minority off GW's customerbase and not even the target audiance.

And over half the people on dakka are confirmed hypocrites or liars as people who said 'I quitz' last price increase are still buying and still post 'those Dark eldar look great! I'll buy 7!' So when they say 'I will never buy GW again, what they mean is, 'I want people to think that because I want cheaper prices but I am so addicted I will continue to buy regardless.'

It is an interesting read to search some of the most vocal people claiming to have already quit or going to quit and when you show all their posts, in between posting 'I'll never buy again' they are posting 'I will buy 2 stormravens!!!'

I find the actual words of posters and actual actions more telling than a poll.

I purchase all of my models from Ebay, I don't know if it makes a dent in their overall sales, but I won't give GW the satisfaction of raping me of my hard earn dollars!

I'll still buy GW products on my clients' behalf. But my gaming purchases have almost entirely shifted to non-GW products. I was already making the move before the latest decision, simply because I've found the imaginative output of other companies more interesting, and the quality comparable or superior.

Having said that, I received my dividend cheque for £31 from my GW shares, for which I'm very grateful.

But I'll probably spend it on an Infinity rulebook.

R.

I'd like to see what the poll results would have been six months ago. It would have made these numbers more relevant.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:This sentiment would have been much more powerful if not prefaced with "done my last order"

I have loyalty to those that show respect to their customers, hence my last order was through Maelstrom, as a thank you to them for all they have done and for being stuck in a situation not of their own creation. Surely you can understand that?

You could have ordered non-GW stuff from Maelstrom. You can continue to order non-GW stuff from Maelstrom.

Instead you bought some more GW stuff despite the many, many complaining posts from yourself.

I am glad that I have 99% of my Blood Angels stuff bought....I have well over 5K. Other than a few models for 40K and WHFB.....I will still buy but I am glad I have already bought the majority of what I ever need!

Scott-S6 wrote:You could have ordered non-GW stuff from Maelstrom. You can continue to order non-GW stuff from Maelstrom.

Instead you bought some more GW stuff despite the many, many complaining posts from yourself.

I have bought several non-GW products over the past week and a bit, including Warmachine and BattleTech miniatures.

Happy yet?

I honestly don't think I'll ever totally quit the 40k hobby, but I've gotten to a point where I own enough armies. Future purchases will mainly be new rules books, paints and the occasional model or squad to test out the new stuff, but with 7 armies to use I really don't see myself making another one.

Whoops

H.B.M.C. wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:If you are going quit because the prices have become unacceptable, I wish you well. If you are going to talk about quitting, but then sit around DakkaDakka, subtitled Warhammer 40K Forums, to whine about the injustice of a company that makes 1 inch dolls (and vehicles for them), but not in the manner you'd wish, then suck it.

That’s a tremendously unintelligent viewpoint there, Chuck.

If you want to post here you can’t be unhappy with GW? If you want to post here you cannot voice concerns over the company responsible for the site’s chief attraction? If you’re going to post here you should just suck it up and accept the things you don’t like, or, at the very least, never bring them up? Is that what you really think? Really?

And the very idea that this series of recent decisions by GW are the first ‘legitimate’ complaints to come up and that previous complaints were just ‘crying wolf’ is also utterly preposterous.

Quoted for truth. I've always been pretty neutral to GW, always thought their prices were a tad ridiculous, yeah, but I was neither fanboy nor hater.

All these price hikes have really pissed me off, however. I love the products they put out, but my Tyranid army is now pretty much going to stop being fleshed out, and it's only at a measly 1500 points. They jacked the prices up on anything else I needed or wanted for my bugs, so now they'll get lonely with the Gargoyles I got for my birthday being the only new thing they'll see. Forty-two dollars for Tyranid Warriors? Come on, GW, you've got to be out of your mind (more so than before).

For the moment, I intend to slowly finish out my Dark Eldar force. Maybe I'll just try to purchase it all in the next month or so before the prices go further up. All in all, I'm pretty bummed about this whole business. I loved buying new models, painting them up, and then playing some matches with my buddies. We'll still play 40k, but no new models will be a bummer for us. The hikes also mean I won't be getting into Fantasy this summer like I hoped I was going to.

nkelsch wrote:And over half the people on dakka are confirmed hypocrites or liars as people who said 'I quitz' last price increase are still buying and still post 'those Dark eldar look great! I'll buy 7!' So when they say 'I will never buy GW again, what they mean is, 'I want people to think that because I want cheaper prices but I am so addicted I will continue to buy regardless.'

Wow. Over half! Of all Dakka! Those are some impressive numbers you just made up!

Being a painter and not an actual gamer, I think i'll be winding down purchases to now the very barest of bare minimums.

Completely detaching from GW is unlikey as I think I'll be buying small SMALL purchases once in a blue moon if I fancy painting a new model, but for the most part I think I'm done with them.

On the flip side I've been noticing Warmachine minitures for a long while now, but havent bothered with them for two reasons;
1: Ease of access, gotta be bought online.
2: I was an avid GW consumer.

Now ive lost steam with GW, im thinking it might be worth trying some new stuff out, and hopefully I'll improve my painting while at it.
The benefit of GW being in shops and the like is I can simply not go into them any more, and won't be tempted to pull out my wallet.

TQ.