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Well done, Nick!

Wyatt, I was pulling for you, buddy. Next year! Sounds like an awesome event.

As one of the judges and minor TO for DaBoyz GT this year I would just like to thank everyone that came out and attended our event. From what I heard everyone had a great time (even with comp!) and were very happy with the event as a whole.

I would however like to apologize for some of the hold ups we had. As Jay stated we had some technical difficulties Saturday morning and Saturday night, and then sportsman scoring was a nightmare. All of these things will be brought up in our meeting as we plan next years event!

Again thank you for everyone that came and I hope to see even more people next year!

A suggestion I would make for next year - Get an application for your laptop that allows the sending of text messages, and send pairings / results out via text messages.

You can find the results here.

www.daboyzgt.com

I had a blast, cant wait for next year. The only thing that I thought could be improved was that no body knew what you guys wanted for that 30pts the judges award for comp, its obviously subjective and there is clearly a sh*t list of units that offend it.

And I question the paint judging when I see drybrushed and speed painted armies scoring in the 60s. It'd be nice to see a individual breakdown of that so we can see what to improve on.

Awesome to see the results up quickly. That's always nice.

Here's a Link to the Pics I took at Da Boyz This year.

http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h295/SamuelButler/Events/Da%20Boyz%20GT%202011/

Greetings All

I was lucky enough to participate in the team event and the tournament itself.

This was my first major GT and I have to say that I was very impressed and had excellent, enjoyable games against all of my opponents.

I heard that some feedback forms/questionaires are going out so I will keep an eye out.

For anyone considering attending the event I would recommend that you look at the results. There are a number of older codeci in the top 20 and you can see by the comp score that strategy and tactics mattered! The composition aspect of Da Boyz is evolving and in combination with a truly broad array of tables and thought provoking missions makes for a very distinct GT experience.

The whole "cup of tea" thing has been posted and debated however I would ask people to keep an open mind. The spirit of the composition is to make you look at your codex and rethink your approach to it and your gaming.

Never once in 9 games did I feel I was beaten or won because of something "spammy" either my opponent or I did something skillful... that was the determining factor. --Aside from rolling 5 ones for 7 termie armour saves in a single throw --

Mature enjoyable game play.. and an event that continues to improve! I am already thinking ahead to next year.

Cheers all

Mongo

---Cold and Fast Soul Drinkers!!!---

Hi

Thanks for the great event. I had a blast as always, and if it wasn't for utterly failing in round 6, I could have pushed past Nick for the overall victory. Instead, I am quite content being tied with Wyatt for 2nd.

As one of the armies that scored in the 60s (68/70), I can assure Ravenous that neither speed nor dry brushing were features of my Ork army.

The extra work that I put into every model, as well as the new stuff, was able to push me from 6th last year into the top three this time around.

Cheers,
Nate

Eh, painting judging is pretty random.

2 years ago I played in the 2009 GT, and got a 74/100 on painting.

Spent a lot of time improving the basing / appearance of my army, using a lot of the same models, got a 34/70 this time.

Oh well

Hi

Painting is the Ice Dancing of 40K - sometimes you get the Russian Judge, and he just doesn't like your stuff.

The variance my Tau Army has received at events has ranged from tied for 2nd (Da Boyz 2009) to waaaaaay down the list at the Adepticon Championships in 2011. At the same time, my buddy's orks scored much higher at Adepticon than they did at Da Boyz this year with new stuff added. Banking on painting is anything but a surefire plan.

Cheers,
Nate

Nate, did you play Tau in the 2009 DaBoyz GT? Your name is familiar -__-

If so, the game we played in the 2009 GT was my finest hour.

Hi

Yes, that was me. Which army was yours? The marines that utterly crushed me after all my broadsides decided to either die or run like little girls, leaving your land raider and termies open to have a field day?

Cheers,
Nate

yup It was my assault sergeant with a thunderhammer who was a hero, though... the rest of his squad all died along the way, but he made it through and took out like 2 squads of crisis suits himself

Hey Nate

No kidding on the painting being random, my army got only 5 points higher then an army that had unpainted models... So you can say Im on the bitter bus a little bit, especially after winning best painted at Conquest that was judged by Golden Daemon winners. I really wanted to see where I took the hits to get me the 33/70.

As for the your orks I know your base is wicked, every models is converted, and the skin is awesome, but you got to admit your battle wagon is drybrushed boltgun, if its not, it came off looking like that and its the biggest model in the army so it kind of stood out :\. I shouldnt have used your army as an example in my post above, there were a 3 or 4 marine armies at the front table that were "speed paint" specials and couldnt figure out what was so fantastic about them.

Looking at the painting matrix your army scored in the top 3 otherwise you would be 65 and scoring perfect in everyother field, so the only way you could have lost those 2 points was not having "wow" worthy diorama bases and display base. I mean compare your army to Kyles, it has more colour variation so its more eye catching sure, but yours had way more conversions, his display base was better but I didnt see diorama bases on his either so why did he get perfect in that and you didnt? My point is why bother having the painting matrix if they are going to make it up as they go along?

Where can I find the rubric for painting and sportsmanship?

I'm hearing some horror stories (not here) and would love to know what all of it gets based off of before I consider making the trek out there next year.

The front table was not necessarily the armies 'picked by judges' as the top armies. They were voluntarily placed there by players to be reviewed and receive votes for 'best painted' if someone liked them.

No army with unpainted models should have gotten more than 2-5 total painting points if you look at the rubric. There were some reports I heard of people 'hiding' unpainted models for when the judges came by.

No idea how they did Sportsmanship, I think it was based on 'favorite player' votes - so you get 5 points for the first and 0 for last. I am not sure all players turned these in, two players told me they ranked me first and another second and I ended up with a 14 overall, which implies in my other 3 games I was last and is a bit surprising to me...

The painting rubric is here....

http://www.daboyzgt.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=IjToXAF0sZ4%3d&tabid=77&mid=454

Hi Josh

No worries.

Regarding my Metal work on all my models, I use the following process:
Tin basecoat
Tin-Boltgun 50/50
Boltgun
Chainmail edging/selective sections for brighter spots
Mud Wash to take it back down and tie it together.

I can definitely understand that it might not look like that much went into it, given that the lighting at the Armoury wasn't stellar and required a close look.

@ Horst - yup, that was the hardest thrashing my Tau has ever taken. There was one time where a Blood Angel took them to the woodshop as well, but not like that...

Cheers,
Nate

the_trooper wrote:Where can I find the rubric for painting and sportsmanship?

I'm hearing some horror stories (not here) and would love to know what all of it gets based off of before I consider making the trek out there next year.

All that info is on the web site www.daboyzgt.com

the sports is based loosely off Jason Buyaki's system. you can find it here:
http://fortbuyaki.blogspot.com/2011/01/tournament-sportsmanship-way-to-do-it.html

The problem is that the top ten painters get chosen by there fellow players.

I do feel with 3 to 4 judges there could be bias opinion, but if you have 90 + players picking all the same armies for best painted. Could all those players get it wrong? Believe me I thought a grot army and another Eldar should have been top 10, but should I really add my bias opinion to change there scores. That would be unfair.

Before you can ask we make sure people put there name on the sheet so they are not just voting for their friends. We double check that with master list showing where people are coming from.

That is same thing for sportsmanship. We also asked players to rank sportsmanship. So each player got 0 to 5 points for each game.

Is either system perfect? No. The only perfect system is not to have these awards.

We used that form of sportsmanship scoring in the first NOVA, and it popularized / was espoused by others thereafter ... works fine, as long as it's explained well enough that people don't get surprised by a "good" score being in the middle of the pack.

hey guys i lost a brand new carhart jacket at the tourney did anyone happen to pick it up or see its last whereabouts?

I was there it was a good time for all I think, Some of the missions favored cretin armies and on day 2 one necron player that tailored his list to fight GK requesting to play a GK player that was above him in rank and the TO let him do it. That was not cool. But other than that it was a great time and had fun!

If by Tailor his list to face grey knights, you mean took one of everything out of his codex, then yes, that is true. That player has been playing the exact same list for all of 5th ed. To suggest he tailored to kill GK is preposterous.

PainTraina wrote:If by Tailor his list to face grey knights, you mean took one of everything out of his codex, then yes, that is true. That player has been playing the exact same list for all of 5th ed. To suggest he tailored to kill GK is preposterous.

You know whats preposterous Wyatt.... THE AMISH!!!!! Personally I was a GK player and I played my first 3 games straight against GK's. Being I asked too not play a 4th against the same army and they said no I don't hold much credit to the statement the judges set up a game.

BTW I will say this, Poker Face was the dumbest scenerios I have ever played. I get the idea they were shooting for but the follow through and wording on it was pretty poor.

Dr_Chin wrote:I was there it was a good time for all I think, Some of the missions favored cretin armies and on day 2 one necron player that tailored his list to fight GK requesting to play a GK player that was above him in rank and the TO let him do it. That was not cool. But other than that it was a great time and had fun!

First of all we use random software that places peopled again each other. Only time we would switch if the software made them someone play the same person twice. You most be talking about Chris Courtney and Eric Courtney. Chris made jokes all weekend about playing the "other" Courtney. Just to see who the best Courtney was. It was game 5. Eric Courtney battles points were 35, 25, 0 and 35. Chris Courtney battle points were 35, 27, 0, and 35. 95 battle points vs 97 battle points. All players had played other players by their battle points. So 2 points does not seem that for far off after 4 games had been played. Sorry it seem that way from the outside.

If Chris army was to win against all grey knight players all weekend, it did not happen. He lost twice all weekend. At least once was a grey knight player. I was watching it because it was the top table.

Besides it you still a game if I did place someone against someone then you still need to win to be the champion. You did not hear Nick Rose whine when he add to play several ETC players and best of field starting at game one.

This is way I hate being a TO. To much crap to goes with it!

Jay_Daboyz wrote:

Dr_Chin wrote:I was there it was a good time for all I think, Some of the missions favored cretin armies and on day 2 one necron player that tailored his list to fight GK requesting to play a GK player that was above him in rank and the TO let him do it. That was not cool. But other than that it was a great time and had fun!

First of all we use random software that places peopled again each other. Only time we would switch if the software made them someone play the same person twice. You most be talking about Chris Courtney and Eric Courtney. Chris made jokes all weekend about playing the "other" Courtney. Just to see who the best Courtney was. It was game 5. Eric Courtney battles points were 35, 25, 0 and 35. Chris Courtney battle points were 35, 27, 0, and 35. 95 battle points vs 97 battle points. All players had played other players by their battle points. So 2 points does not seem that for far off after 4 games had been played. Sorry it seem that way from the outside.

If Chris army was to win against all grey knight players all weekend, it did not happen. He lost twice all weekend. At least once was a grey knight player. I was watching it because it was the top table.

Besides it you still a game if I did place someone against someone then you still need to win to be the champion. You did not hear Nick Rose whine when he add to play several ETC players and best of field starting at game one.

This is way I hate being a TO. To much crap to goes with it!

Yeah Jay! Why didn't you give me the easy match ups !?

I played 6 great players right out of the gate and was a well run touranment.

I played the following people:
1. Eric Hobbin IG Guard well known Touranment player
2. Kyla Oman from the Canada and one of Canada top players
3. Shaun Kemp ETC Ork player
4. Greg Sparks wel know infamous Foot Eldar
5. David Light from Houston Top Contender at Wargames con and beat people such as Parker and others
6. Wyatt Traina well he was a Seal but whatever (Just kidding bud)

Was a great time, the venue is great and overall any body who enjoys tournaments dislikes or loves comp should go to the event.

it is unfortuante I agree with this blog: http://akersminis.blogspot.com/ I do like Jay I like the event in genral I am not sure if I do want to go again.


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PainTraina wrote:If by Tailor his list to face grey knights, you mean took one of everything out of his codex, then yes, that is true. That player has been playing the exact same list for all of 5th ed. To suggest he tailored to kill GK is preposterous.

Yup sad but its true I heard him say it.

The blog is me but it is a honest overview, and everything I wrote in the blog I wrote on the questionaire after the event.

I think this feed back is good for we all learn from what happens, maybe next year there will be some adjustments and things will run smoother and better!

Empchild wrote:The blog is me but it is a honest overview, and everything I wrote in the blog I wrote on the questionaire after the event.

Empchild,

I don't think anything you put in there is negative or bad for saying. Its constructive criticism and as a TO for another event those are the things we look for. That being said I wouldn't scratch off the event. Give them a chance to get better and see how they approve. Running these types of events is not easy or money makers. They are learning experiences out the gate and you can only get better over time.

I talked to Jay and we are going to give him our software from WargamesCon and help him with pairing for next year.