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Frazzled wrote:if you think the budget is not relevant you have no conception of what has happened in the world in the past 50 years.
The bigger issue is that our economy is being hurt through too many budget cuts, which also has cut consumer confidence. We're nowhere NEAR the situation that Greece is in-- and hell, the indecisiveness, the opposition for opposition's sake, the lack of actually getting something accomplished, and so on caused by the politics of the last few years has done more to damage our economic standing than the debt has.
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I am upset that 67 copies of Moby Dick were not on the demands. Also, I see a distinct lack of a get away vehicle, I would suggest a Helicopter, it is very popular in these situations.....
Frazzled wrote:if you think the budget is not relevant you have no conception of what has happened in the world in the past 50 years.
The bigger issue is that our economy is being hurt through too many budget cuts, which also has cut consumer confidence. We're nowhere NEAR the situation that Greece is in-- and hell, the indecisiveness, the opposition for opposition's sake, the lack of actually getting something accomplished, and so on caused by the politics of the last few years has done more to damage our economic standing than the debt has.
No, its not. The fact you don't get that is scary.
There have been no budget cuts. there haven't even been cuts to growth. You think that is what has destroyed consumer confidence?
Europe is teetering on the edge of the abyss. Greece will fall within 60 days. The Euro money center banks are already in deep trouble, as exampled by nationalizing one just recently. The French banks are on the ropes. We're early 2008 here, with underlying bank conditions getting very twitchy.
In the words of a certainly financially wise Gremlin in Gremlins II: "We're recommedning that all our clients invest in canned goods and shotguns."
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Dreadwinter wrote:I am upset that 67 copies of Moby Dick were not on the demands. Also, I see a distinct lack of a get away vehicle, I would suggest a Helicopter, it is very popular in these situations.....
Dicky Moe is a far better read.
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Frazzled wrote:if you think the budget is not relevant you have no conception of what has happened in the world in the past 50 years.
The bigger issue is that our economy is being hurt through too many budget cuts, which also has cut consumer confidence.
Confidence is the key word.
The market reacts according to what is presented as the future. Instability because of not knowing what tomorrow brings is exactly the result we should expect.
Investors are like anyone else; they want to be comfortable and have a system in place and know what the laws will be like.
No one likes to see dramatic change unless it helps them or can be worked around.
Right now there is alot of change going on that people do not like and most certainly makes them wary of the future.
CptJake wrote:Have any tea party folks been arrested at their rallies? How about arrests in mass like this current group seems to enjoy?
Honest qustion.
Not in huge numbers like this, no. With ANY protest you're going to have some scattered arrests, but the tea party has avoided anything high profile.
So cite some examples of Tea Party arrests. So far folks in this thread have found 2 total. One non-violent (soliciting a prostitute) and one violent (though it is a stretch to call the latter a Tea Party arrest).
As far as I can tell the Tea Party has always had permits, unlike this current group. They have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country.
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CptJake wrote:Have any tea party folks been arrested at their rallies? How about arrests in mass like this current group seems to enjoy?
Honest qustion.
Not in huge numbers like this, no. With ANY protest you're going to have some scattered arrests, but the tea party has avoided anything high profile.
So cite some examples of Tea Party arrests. So far folks in this thread have found 2 total. One non-violent (soliciting a prostitute) and one violent (though it is a stretch to call the latter a Tea Party arrest).
As far as I can tell the Tea Party has always had permits, unlike this current group. They have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country.
Well it seems you've already decided the tea party can do no wrong, so I'm not going to cite anything. The fact is, you simply cannot have large protests in every major city and only have 2 arrests. I'm not going to comb smalltown papers to find them, but the idea that it's only 2 is ludicrous and you should feel silly about that.
We can agree that this group is dumb and wants to get arrests and absolutely cannot appeal to the moderates in its current form, but I'm not getting into a stupid fight over this.
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KUHNER: Obama’s October revolution
Protesters aren’t interested in solutions, just demonizing enemies of the people
The Washington Times
President Obama’s shock troops are marching in the streets. Occupy Wall Street - a movement composed of communists, anarchists, socialists and anti-globalization student radicals - is spreading. Protests have swelled in cities including New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver and Philadelphia. The protesters are gaining influence and numbers. A ragtag group of hippie students has turned into a potent political force.
Occupy Wall Street seeks to demonize big banks, large corporations and capitalism. Its goal is to overturn America’s economic structure. The protesters are calling for wealth redistribution, fees on bank profits and massive tax increases on the rich. Many are demanding a socialist revolution - the confiscation of private property and nationalization of the economy. They are the heirs of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin. Their aim is to impose the hammer and sickle upon America.
Leftist radicals, such as Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, have endorsed the anti-capitalist movement. Both men have glorified authoritarian communist regimes - Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela and the old Soviet Union. Their hatred for America has found expression in the rabble on the streets of New York and Washington. Actress Roseanne Barr even has called for the return of the “guillotine.” She wants bankers to be sent to “re-education camps,” and if they still refuse to hand over their profits, they should be beheaded, she says. This is the language of revolutionary terror and Marxist violence.
Mr. Obama has said he “sympathizes” with the protesters - especially their anger at Wall Street and “fat-cat” bankers. For years, he has demonized billionaires and millionaires, jet owners and corporate America. His divisive, irresponsible rhetoric has laid the groundwork for Occupy Wall Street.
The White House connection is even deeper. The protest’s main players all have ties to the Obama administration. Its primary organizer is former Obama “green-jobs czar” Van Jones. Mr. Jones is a self-avowed communist and follower of Saul Alinsky, the radical community organizer who also was Mr. Obama’s intellectual mentor. Mr. Jones said October is the month of the long-awaited “progressive offensive” - the watershed moment when students, labor unions, socialists and civil rights activists coalesce into an anti-Tea Party to blunt Middle America’s growing opposition to Mr. Obama.
Occupy Wall Street also is being supported by MoveOn.org. The group was one of the first to back Mr. Obama’s presidential candidacy when he was still an obscure senator from Illinois. The protests are being funded by socialist billionaire George Soros - a key Obama ally. And the protesters are being joined by big labor, the administration’s most powerful constituency.
Hence, Occupy Wall Street is not a spontaneous uprising of disenchanted citizens frustrated with corporate plutocracy and capitalist excess. Rather, it is a planned, manufactured attempt to prop up Mr. Obama’s failed presidency. It is a page taken straight from the Alinsky playbook: Demonize bankers and businessmen in order to divert attention from the real source of our economic woes, Mr. Obama’s policies.
The president inherited a recession, and he has deepened it. His out-of-control spending and trillion-dollar deficits have brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. America’s debt credit rating has been downgraded. Growth has slowed to less than 1 percent. Unemployment has risen above 9 percent. Inflation is rising as consumer confidence declines. Obamacare is strangling job creation and business investment. Mr. Obama has waged war upon the private sector. If those students are truly angry about joblessness and a bleak future, they should direct their fury at the president.
Instead, they mouth leftist pieties. They are a spoiled, dependent and illiterate generation that believes it is entitled to government handouts, state coddling and permanent prosperity. They don’t wish to be self-reliant and make their own way; rather, they want others - successful, productive members of society - to transfer their hard-earned money to subsidize their indolence. They are the kind of deadbeats the welfare state eventually produces - lazy, whining and shameless.
Alinsky argued that an economic crisis inevitably fosters a political crisis. The key for the hard left was to take advantage of our misery to seize power and impose a socialist regime. By sowing street mayhem, Occupy Wall Street is hoping to demoralize and distract Middle America into believing big business is the evil culprit for the financial collapse. The very opposite, however, is true. Meddlesome government intervention caused the housing bubble, the subprime mortgage debacle and the reckless bank lending practices that triggered the Great Recession. The way out is not more statism; it is less. Only a vibrant free market can restore economic recovery and stimulate job growth.
The protesters are not interested in real solutions. They are political activists masquerading as concerned citizens. Progressives are desperate to keep Mr. Obama in office. This is why the president is deliberately encouraging Occupy Wall Street. He hopes to create enough bedlam and then target Republicans, the Tea Party and the rich. He is pursuing the Alinsky strategy of divide and conquer, pitting interest groups and different classes against each other.
Mr. Obama has unleashed class hatred and racial hostility in the pursuit of state socialism. It is clear that his 2008 campaign slogan of “hope and change” was really a thinly veiled rallying cry, not to save the nation, but to precipitate the downfall of American capitalism.
Jeffrey T. Kuhner is a columnist at The Washington Times and president of the Edmund Burke Institute.
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Kilkrazy wrote:I hadn't realised that Obama was behind all of this.
Isn't it a pretty serious crime for a politician to appeal to a section of the public and try to get them to support him?
Only if he loses the election.
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CptJake wrote:So cite some examples of Tea Party arrests. So far folks in this thread have found 2 total. One non-violent (soliciting a prostitute) and one violent (though it is a stretch to call the latter a Tea Party arrest).
As far as I can tell the Tea Party has always had permits, unlike this current group. They have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that the Tea Party has had no arrests. I'm sure there have been a few, but not on the scale of the left-wing protests. The tea parties tend to be pretty tame, but I'm sure that there have been at least a few arrests.
Interestingly, this link claims 9 arrests, but the source they cite doesn't appear to mention any (someone, not me obviously, might wonder then if the Huffington Post article is distorting the news. However, not being Fox, we know this isn't the case). Here's a link citing 12 arrests of people who refused to leave the area outside of Pelosi's office. (oops, seems to be the same event, well there you go, Huffington Post did lie)
Obviously there are vast differences between the Tea Party and these protests. But the assertion that there were never any arrests at Tea Party events is a little far fetched.
Rented Tritium wrote:That's a pretty dumb piece for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that it claims Obama is behind the protests.
Agree I don't think Obama's behind it, but he and other Democrats are defniintely trying to hyjack it. The fact the unions and moveon.org are now supporting it doesn't help them. it fits with Obama's current "Blame the Banks!" theme.
The Banks are currently going, "er...what?"
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biccat wrote:
Interestingly, this link claims 9 arrests, but the source they cite doesn't appear to mention any (someone, not me obviously, might wonder then if the Huffington Post article is distorting the news.
It may also be that Politco redacted a claim that 9 were arrested, as the source article was edited, and Politco has a history of doing exactly that.
Note also that the second attached video mentions arrests, but the article does not.
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CptJake wrote:So cite some examples of Tea Party arrests. So far folks in this thread have found 2 total. One non-violent (soliciting a prostitute) and one violent (though it is a stretch to call the latter a Tea Party arrest).
As far as I can tell the Tea Party has always had permits, unlike this current group. They have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that the Tea Party has had no arrests. I'm sure there have been a few, but not on the scale of the left-wing protests. The tea parties tend to be pretty tame, but I'm sure that there have been at least a few arrests.
Interestingly, this link claims 9 arrests, but the source they cite doesn't appear to mention any (someone, not me obviously, might wonder then if the Huffington Post article is distorting the news. However, not being Fox, we know this isn't the case). Here's a link citing 12 arrests of people who refused to leave the area outside of Pelosi's office. (oops, seems to be the same event, well there you go, Huffington Post did lie)
Obviously there are vast differences between the Tea Party and these protests. But the assertion that there were never any arrests at Tea Party events is a little far fetched.
Way to put words in my mouth. I NEVER stated there were no arrests, I asked an honest question, how many Tea Party arrests were there. The answer provided was the two.
Now it appears you found more. Hooah. So over the last couple of years there has been a handful or two of arrests.
Can you find fault with my conclusions that:
"the Tea Party seems to have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country."
Rented Tritium wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:
CptJake wrote:Have any tea party folks been arrested at their rallies? How about arrests in mass like this current group seems to enjoy?
Honest qustion.
Not in huge numbers like this, no. With ANY protest you're going to have some scattered arrests, but the tea party has avoided anything high profile.
So cite some examples of Tea Party arrests. So far folks in this thread have found 2 total. One non-violent (soliciting a prostitute) and one violent (though it is a stretch to call the latter a Tea Party arrest).
As far as I can tell the Tea Party has always had permits, unlike this current group. They have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country.
Well it seems you've already decided the tea party can do no wrong, so I'm not going to cite anything. The fact is, you simply cannot have large protests in every major city and only have 2 arrests. I'm not going to comb smalltown papers to find them, but the idea that it's only 2 is ludicrous and you should feel silly about that.
We can agree that this group is dumb and wants to get arrests and absolutely cannot appeal to the moderates in its current form, but I'm not getting into a stupid fight over this.
I have not come close to deciding the Tea Party can do no wrong, and you have no proof to back up that statement, so you too can quit putting words in my mouth. I think the simple fact that it does seemingly require a lot of research to find violent incidents leading to arrests on the part of the Tea Party (which has been around and active a couple of years) goes a long way towards proving my point that their tactics and values are a lot different than those of the current group of protestors.
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CptJake wrote:
Which set of behaviors and the values they indicate do you think is going to be appreciated by the independent and moderate voters that decide every election? Which message will actually get listened to by those deciding votes? I'm guessing the typical American won't sympathize nor empathize with thuggery.
The venue of protest is also important. Americans tend to respond well to protests aimed at government, and poorly to protests aimed at private, or business related, entities.
That said interference based protests have drawn major, positive attention before. Sit-ins, for example. Though that likely had to do with the way riots were handled in the 60's.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
According to some reports they're abusing the local small businesses by using their facilities as washrooms and such. I can't go along with people who sit there and vandalize small businesses and then ask them dispose of their waste while protesting large corporations. They're literally gakking all over the little guys trying to start businesses.
Of course its a select few, but it makes the overall protest look bad.
Of course the Chicago riots had a strongly negative impact, and were viewed as a factor in the Republican victory, unleashing the Dark Lord upon the Earth.
Or as the ancient Vulcan proverb goes: Only Nixon could go to China.
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CptJake wrote:Have any tea party folks been arrested at their rallies? How about arrests in mass like this current group seems to enjoy?
Honest qustion.
Not in huge numbers like this, no. With ANY protest you're going to have some scattered arrests, but the tea party has avoided anything high profile.
It helps that the tea parties tend to protest in venues that they rent with money provided by their political supporters or fox. The 99s seem to just take up residence outside of business locations. The vast majority of their arrests have been due to a refusal to change venue, which is pretty standard faire for any protest movement.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Frazzled wrote:Of course the Chicago riots had a strongly negative impact, and were viewed as a factor in the Republican victory, unleashing the Dark Lord upon the Earth.
Oh, the Chicago riots. Racist Daley was racist.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Also, don't try to block the Brooklyn bridge. 700 people won't get arrested if you don't do that.
Idiots.
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CptJake wrote:Have any tea party folks been arrested at their rallies? How about arrests in mass like this current group seems to enjoy?
Honest qustion.
Not in huge numbers like this, no. With ANY protest you're going to have some scattered arrests, but the tea party has avoided anything high profile.
It helps that the tea parties tend to protest in venues that they rent with money provided by their political supporters or fox. The 99s seem to just take up residence outside of business locations. The vast majority of their arrests have been due to a refusal to change venue, which is pretty standard faire for any protest movement.
The Tea party protests didn't rent in Houston. They applied for permits and recieved them just like any other group at Jones Plaza.
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Frazzled wrote:Of course the Chicago riots had a strongly negative impact, and were viewed as a factor in the Republican victory, unleashing the Dark Lord upon the Earth.
Oh, the Chicago riots. Racist Daley was racist.
Probably, but it was fun as heck to watch.
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CptJake wrote:Have any tea party folks been arrested at their rallies? How about arrests in mass like this current group seems to enjoy?
Honest qustion.
Not in huge numbers like this, no. With ANY protest you're going to have some scattered arrests, but the tea party has avoided anything high profile.
It helps that the tea parties tend to protest in venues that they rent with money provided by their political supporters or fox. The 99s seem to just take up residence outside of business locations. The vast majority of their arrests have been due to a refusal to change venue, which is pretty standard faire for any protest movement.
This is also true, there is a difference between going through proper legal means and just showing up and hanging around where they aren't wanted. For example a space rented out for the Tea Parties and used for the Tea Party's rally is legal, going into a privately owned business and protesting against it is not legal.
From what I gather about New Yorkers and their traffic, if you block the Brooklyn Bridge their may be more arrests for manslaughter or homicide compared to people being arrested for blocking the bridge, which is probably a life-time sentence in its own right.
We had a massive showing of them down here where I live, an entire 15 people showed up and really disrupted things.
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CptJake wrote:Way to put words in my mouth. I NEVER stated there were no arrests, I asked an honest question, how many Tea Party arrests were there. The answer provided was the two.
Now it appears you found more. Hooah. So over the last couple of years there has been a handful or two of arrests.
Can you find fault with my conclusions that:
"the Tea Party seems to have been respectful of cops and other LE, unlike this current group. Again, tactics and their use as well as the values those tactics imply helps sell a message. I submit this current group's message and the way it is being sold will not appeal to the moderates of this country."
Nope, no fault with that conclusion. Heck, read the politico piece, when the speakers asked the protestors to enter the Capitol they lined up to go through the metal detector. I can't imagine the current group would do anything like that (or see Wisconsin protests). And it appears for the most part they left when asked.
I don't think the first two arrests should be included because the Tea Party event wasn't really the proximate cause of the arrests. The latter 12, sure. Perhaps the distinction should have been made between related and unrelated arrests. I don't think an arrest for soliciting prostitution should count as a "tea party arrest."
Frazzled wrote:There have been no budget cuts. there haven't even been cuts to growth. You think that is what has destroyed consumer confidence?
Not just me, but a good number of economists.
Substance isn't always important to consumer confidence.
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On the basic concept, the idea is that you should need a permit if you are going to block anything or restrict others use. In some places, protest permits are basically just scheduling tools to make sure there's enough space on whatever park they're in etc. You don't want to have 2 marches trying to use the same area. That works really well.
But if you aren't blocking anybody, you should be allowed to protest in any public place without a permit. Some areas have protest permit processes that are obviously designed to just prevent protests in general. Those are super wrong imo.
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Rented Tritium wrote:Now, on a similar note: Protest Permits are dumb.
On the basic concept, the idea is that you should need a permit if you are going to block anything or restrict others use. In some places, protest permits are basically just scheduling tools to make sure there's enough space on whatever park they're in etc. You don't want to have 2 marches trying to use the same area. That works really well.
But if you aren't blocking anybody, you should be allowed to protest in any public place without a permit. Some areas have protest permit processes that are obviously designed to just prevent protests in general. Those are super wrong imo.
Protest permits are also used to help differentiate between a riot and a protest, you don't want a group of disgruntled people just showing up out of nowhere because it could lead to some pretty bad situations and if you have people legally apply to protest then it makes things a bit more orderly and a tad bit safer.
Rented Tritium wrote:Now, on a similar note: Protest Permits are dumb.
On the basic concept, the idea is that you should need a permit if you are going to block anything or restrict others use. In some places, protest permits are basically just scheduling tools to make sure there's enough space on whatever park they're in etc. You don't want to have 2 marches trying to use the same area. That works really well.
But if you aren't blocking anybody, you should be allowed to protest in any public place without a permit. Some areas have protest permit processes that are obviously designed to just prevent protests in general. Those are super wrong imo.
Protest permits are also used to help differentiate between a riot and a protest, you don't want a group of disgruntled people just showing up out of nowhere because it could lead to some pretty bad situations and if you have people legally apply to protest then it makes things a bit more orderly and a tad bit safer.
Except that whole first amendment thing.
Not really a huge fan of the idea that if me and some friends make some signs and walk down a sidewalk just like everyone else on that sidewalk except we have signs, we can be punished for not asking for permission to exercise our free expression.
If we're breaking some other law, like blocking traffic or stopping pedestrians, I can totally understand needing to get special permission so they can have barricades and detours etc, but if what I'm doing requires no special action from the municipality, I should not have to ask anyone.
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You have the right to peaceful assembly and getting a permit shows that you're going to be real peaceful. Showing up out of the blue and just protesting probably has a higher chance of being violent compared to one that was carefully organized and implemented.
I knew that American politics was polarised, but I didn't realise by quite how much.
I thought that the Roseanne Barr section was quite amusing. The writers rhetoric brings to mind an image of her beret-clad face filling the TV, chewing on a cigar while the camera pans back to show the obligatory Uzi, Che Guevara t-shirt and a burning stars and stripes. Although her manning a guillotine while various financiers get dragged out to be beheaded would make excellent reality TV. They could have viewer call-ins to vote who gets the chop this week, followed by a re-run of her comedy show from the 90's.
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