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PhantomViper wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
but for a gaming company to stay as true to their products as they have without selling out is commendable in and of itself.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

without selling out? GW is the definition of selling out. Go check the dictionary, there is an actual picture of Kirby next to the "Selling Out" entry!

Ever look at the state of Dungeons & Dragons lately? They are now the WoW of the role-playing world. When TSR sold itself to Wizards of the Coast, who in turn were sold to Hasbro, that was a sell out. Who owns Games Workshop? That's right, Games Workshop does.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Ever look at the state of Dungeons & Dragons lately? They are now the WoW of the role-playing world. When TSR sold itself to Wizards of the Coast, who in turn were sold to Hasbro, that was a sell out. Who owns Games Workshop? That's right, Games Workshop does.

GW could be said to have 'sold out' when it went into the hands of shareholding companies and is now bound to their whims to squeeze every penny. GW owns GW, what does that mean exactly when so many shares are in the hands of other companies who have no interest in the hobby, only wringing out profit.

TSR were sold to Wizards because they were facing bankruptcy with millions of dollars of debt. They didn't have much option other than to 'sell out', the company was finished.

Everything that's ever made money sold out before you heard of it.

I have no issues with GW.

DarknessEternal wrote:Everything that's ever made money sold out before you heard of it.

Except with GW

Those of us who have following the company for a long time will know there has been a marked change in the way that it has behaved since it went public, a lot of it not for the better.

Brother_SRM said it well.

I live in Aus - so I gave the Morons that make the pricing decisions/embargoes a -25/10.

5th Ed 40K - 8/10
Failcast($) - 1/10
WhiteDwarf Mag/Toiletpaper - 1/10
Staffcuts+Closing Stores = Increased Profits - 1/10
"Surprise Surprise Surprise" Release Mentality - 1/10

Let's put it another way - I will play 40K probably for the next 23 years - but will I spend $118 on a plastic Model that doesn't even FIT together properly again? No. I'll just reuse the 20 or so I have already....

infinite_array wrote:

Ultramarinescout wrote:10/10
Best store. Ever. Great stores, Great rules, Great Models, Great Staff, Great Customer Service, Great Business Tatics.

Wait... don't you work for GW? I thought I saw you mention that your work for them, or did at one point.

@ mattyrm (because I don't want to post again so soon)

You mean his enthusiasm for GW products.

I like other things.. like fantasy flight stuff...

I used to love GW. I have been in the hobby for 22 years now and have watched GW turn to crud. for this i gave 4/10
The worst thing they have done tho was taking away the old ctalogues. I used to love being able to buy bits without having to get the whole miniature....
They push up their prices far to high. Their latest excuse for this is the new 'finecast' range. Just like the price hike as Apocalypse was released. Funny that....a new game to play with massive armies....prices go up.

10 imperial guardsmen for £18!!!!Horde armies really suffer now, how is anyone suppose to build an Imperial guard/Ork/Tyranid army without taking out a bank loan? it is deplorable behaviour.
i may as well give up on them and collect Spacemarines like everyone else. seeing as i can build an army of them in half the time at less cost.
Did anyone manage to get a copy of Spacehulk btw? i did but paid £150 for it.. and no i had to buy it from GW. not some cold hearted b***** who bought 1000's of them to sell on ebay. I had to get it imported from the states. But i can say the miniatures in it are awesome and the game itself ...well its no surprise it won awards.

As for White Dwarf, we may as well rename it 'Lord of the Rings'. The amount of money this company makes now they could give it its own mag.
You never seem to see much in the way of 40k releases now.
They get rid of fun things like Necromunda, remember that?

But in fairness the company is providing hobby centres and such, but if we cant afford the miniatures to build armies then what is the point.
It is true that they produce some of the finest miniatures but if their casting process is anything like forgeworlds then it truly is a waste of time.
The new spacemarine game however is awesome... makes up for the less than standard movie they made. Also cant wait for Dark Millennium to be released.

Please tho, if someone from GW is reading this, because we no longer have the catalogues, get the ball rolling on some weapon sprues, extra equipment sprues, variant heads, bionics, bare arms for imp guard that arent mr universe sized, we want to personalise our miniatures, anything to stop forgeworld sucking away our finances too. reward the fanbase, the converters and the collectors. £37 for a drop troop squad is a little steep, even if they are resin.

I used to love GW, but as they have bled us dry over the years my enthusiasm waned.
i miss the good old days.


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akira5665 wrote:Brother_SRM said it well.

I live in Aus - so I gave the Morons that make the pricing decisions/embargoes a -25/10.

5th Ed 40K - 8/10
Failcast($) - 1/10
WhiteDwarf Mag/Toiletpaper - 1/10
Staffcuts+Closing Stores = Increased Profits - 1/10
"Surprise Surprise Surprise" Release Mentality - 1/10

Let's put it another way - I will play 40K probably for the next 23 years - but will I spend $118 on a plastic Model that doesn't even FIT together properly again? No. I'll just reuse the 20 or so I have already....

well said

Annihilator236 wrote: I used to love GW. I have been in the hobby for 22 years now and have watched GW turn to crud. for this i gave 4/10
The worst thing they have done tho was taking away the old ctalogues. I used to love being able to buy bits without having to get the whole miniature....
They push up their prices far to high. Their latest excuse for this is the new 'finecast' range. Just like the price hike as Apocalypse was released. Funny that....a new game to play with massive armies....prices go up.

10 imperial guardsmen for £18!!!!Horde armies really suffer now, how is anyone suppose to build an Imperial guard/Ork/Tyranid army without taking out a bank loan? it is deplorable behaviour.
i may as well give up on them and collect Spacemarines like everyone else. seeing as i can build an army of them in half the time at less cost.
Did anyone manage to get a copy of Spacehulk btw? i did but paid £150 for it.. and no i had to buy it from GW. not some cold hearted b***** who bought 1000's of them to sell on ebay. I had to get it imported from the states. But i can say the miniatures in it are awesome and the game itself ...well its no surprise it won awards.

As for White Dwarf, we may as well rename it 'Lord of the Rings'. The amount of money this company makes now they could give it its own mag.
You never seem to see much in the way of 40k releases now.
They get rid of fun things like Necromunda, remember that?

But in fairness the company is providing hobby centres and such, but if we cant afford the miniatures to build armies then what is the point.
It is true that they produce some of the finest miniatures but if their casting process is anything like forgeworlds then it truly is a waste of time.
The new spacemarine game however is awesome... makes up for the less than standard movie they made. Also cant wait for Dark Millennium to be released.

Please tho, if someone from GW is reading this, because we no longer have the catalogues, get the ball rolling on some weapon sprues, extra equipment sprues, variant heads, bionics, bare arms for imp guard that arent mr universe sized, we want to personalise our miniatures, anything to stop forgeworld sucking away our finances too. reward the fanbase, the converters and the collectors. £37 for a drop troop squad is a little steep, even if they are resin.

I used to love GW, but as they have bled us dry over the years my enthusiasm waned.
i miss the good old days.


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akira5665 wrote:Brother_SRM said it well.

I live in Aus - so I gave the Morons that make the pricing decisions/embargoes a -25/10.

5th Ed 40K - 8/10
Failcast($) - 1/10
WhiteDwarf Mag/Toiletpaper - 1/10
Staffcuts+Closing Stores = Increased Profits - 1/10
"Surprise Surprise Surprise" Release Mentality - 1/10

Let's put it another way - I will play 40K probably for the next 23 years - but will I spend $118 on a plastic Model that doesn't even FIT together properly again? No. I'll just reuse the 20 or so I have already....

well said

I think this is a very well written post, congrats. All you say makes sense, and I agree on everything. But I have to tell you, my eyes hurt when i read it, and that nearly made me stop in the middle. So maybe consider writing your posts in white, i think people would like that more.

Finecast was more miss than hit for me, but when I had an issue customer service replaced my faulty mini with a new one immediately, and I haven't had a problem since.

Price hikes suck, but that's life. Other gaming companies are getting more expensive, as well, though not quite as expensive as GW.

I feel that the fluff has been getting less grimdark and more mythic, lately, which I don't really like.

Their most recent licensed videogames (Dawn of War, Space Marine) were well made and tons of fun. Black Library novels are often decent, and occasionally very good.

I've been very impressed with a lot of their recent releases, 8th edition Fantasy, Dark Eldar (book and models), Storm of Magic, Ogres, etc. GW's released a lot of cool large kits in the last two years or so, the Stormraven, the Hellpit Abomination, the Mawloc, etc.

I did not like the most recent Tyranid codex; I'd planned on picking them up but abstained after buying up the book and giving it a thorough reading.

The embargo, while not affecting me, is a pretty big red mark on their record, in my opinion.

So, 7/10. If I lived down under, it'd be a lot lower.

Annihilator236 wrote: I used to love GW. I have been in the hobby for 22 years now and have watched GW turn to crud. for this i gave 4/10
The worst thing they have done tho was taking away the old ctalogues. I used to love being able to buy bits without having to get the whole miniature....
They push up their prices far to high. Their latest excuse for this is the new 'finecast' range. Just like the price hike as Apocalypse was released. Funny that....a new game to play with massive armies....prices go up.

10 imperial guardsmen for £18!!!!Horde armies really suffer now, how is anyone suppose to build an Imperial guard/Ork/Tyranid army without taking out a bank loan? it is deplorable behaviour.
i may as well give up on them and collect Spacemarines like everyone else. seeing as i can build an army of them in half the time at less cost.
Did anyone manage to get a copy of Spacehulk btw? i did but paid £150 for it.. and no i had to buy it from GW. not some cold hearted b***** who bought 1000's of them to sell on ebay. I had to get it imported from the states. But i can say the miniatures in it are awesome and the game itself ...well its no surprise it won awards.

As for White Dwarf, we may as well rename it 'Lord of the Rings'. The amount of money this company makes now they could give it its own mag.
You never seem to see much in the way of 40k releases now.
They get rid of fun things like Necromunda, remember that?

But in fairness the company is providing hobby centres and such, but if we cant afford the miniatures to build armies then what is the point.
It is true that they produce some of the finest miniatures but if their casting process is anything like forgeworlds then it truly is a waste of time.
The new spacemarine game however is awesome... makes up for the less than standard movie they made. Also cant wait for Dark Millennium to be released.

Please tho, if someone from GW is reading this, because we no longer have the catalogues, get the ball rolling on some weapon sprues, extra equipment sprues, variant heads, bionics, bare arms for imp guard that arent mr universe sized, we want to personalise our miniatures, anything to stop forgeworld sucking away our finances too. reward the fanbase, the converters and the collectors. £37 for a drop troop squad is a little steep, even if they are resin.

I used to love GW, but as they have bled us dry over the years my enthusiasm waned.
i miss the good old days.

'Squints', this would be so much easier to read if I was not colourblind...

10/10 Fanboi for lyfe! I love GW stuff, they always have new stuff when I'm ready to buy something and I always enjoy building, painting, and playing with my toy soldiers. If I got down below 10/10 for something that I choose to spend my extra time and leisure money on I would move on pretty quickly, it's just a game after all. I have my clicky finger ready for ordering Necrons, let's do this!

(yes, I'm totally serious)

Sorry about the red :S

Commander Cain wrote:

Annihilator236 wrote: I used to love GW. I have been in the hobby for 22 years now and have watched GW turn to crud. for this i gave 4/10
The worst thing they have done tho was taking away the old ctalogues. I used to love being able to buy bits without having to get the whole miniature....
They push up their prices far to high. Their latest excuse for this is the new 'finecast' range. Just like the price hike as Apocalypse was released. Funny that....a new game to play with massive armies....prices go up.

10 imperial guardsmen for £18!!!!Horde armies really suffer now, how is anyone suppose to build an Imperial guard/Ork/Tyranid army without taking out a bank loan? it is deplorable behaviour.
i may as well give up on them and collect Spacemarines like everyone else. seeing as i can build an army of them in half the time at less cost.
Did anyone manage to get a copy of Spacehulk btw? i did but paid £150 for it.. and no i had to buy it from GW. not some cold hearted b***** who bought 1000's of them to sell on ebay. I had to get it imported from the states. But i can say the miniatures in it are awesome and the game itself ...well its no surprise it won awards.

As for White Dwarf, we may as well rename it 'Lord of the Rings'. The amount of money this company makes now they could give it its own mag.
You never seem to see much in the way of 40k releases now.
They get rid of fun things like Necromunda, remember that?

But in fairness the company is providing hobby centres and such, but if we cant afford the miniatures to build armies then what is the point.
It is true that they produce some of the finest miniatures but if their casting process is anything like forgeworlds then it truly is a waste of time.
The new spacemarine game however is awesome... makes up for the less than standard movie they made. Also cant wait for Dark Millennium to be released.

Please tho, if someone from GW is reading this, because we no longer have the catalogues, get the ball rolling on some weapon sprues, extra equipment sprues, variant heads, bionics, bare arms for imp guard that arent mr universe sized, we want to personalise our miniatures, anything to stop forgeworld sucking away our finances too. reward the fanbase, the converters and the collectors. £37 for a drop troop squad is a little steep, even if they are resin.

I used to love GW, but as they have bled us dry over the years my enthusiasm waned.
i miss the good old days.

'Squints', this would be so much easier to read if I was not colourblind...

LOL and a very good point. I wasn’t even alive when GW started but from researching their business history my self it seems that greed has been the problem to success. If the whole dakka dakka group could start a pertsion to lower prices you know to get it back to the old days...Or something like that I think GW could earn some sort of respect. On the outside world people think that it is a waste of money which the only business is from nerds. This is because of their stores- now I do mean on offend the people that do work in the stores. But they are always pretty much
"Hi do you want to buy this or this or this or this ect."
Then I or you would go “wow (Not really meaning it by to stop them asking you questions) who did this army?"
They would then go "That was bob's (Protecting any identy what’s so ever!)"
We would then go and talk to that person "Well I did this in the name of the great chaos god of khorne wwwwaaaaaaahhhhh (3 year old noises)"
Or the imperium or (you get the point).
They we would have to pretend to like it like so “wow you’re so cool! (Jokes!)"

HAZZER

I voted 8 because ther minis are great as is most of ther products but i knocked a point off because of price and also a point because everytime i go in there store i feel like i cant just pick something up and have a look at it without them trying to sell it me.

mrwezmond wrote:I voted 8 because ther minis are great as is most of ther products but i knocked a point off because of price and also a point because everytime i go in there store i feel like i cant just pick something up and have a look at it without them trying to sell it me.

Sure they try to sell tuff to you, what do you expect from a guy working in a shop? Its what theyre getting paid for.

MrMerlin wrote:

mrwezmond wrote:I voted 8 because ther minis are great as is most of ther products but i knocked a point off because of price and also a point because everytime i go in there store i feel like i cant just pick something up and have a look at it without them trying to sell it me.

Sure they try to sell tuff to you, what do you expect from a guy working in a shop? Its what theyre getting paid for.

Back when GW had a presence in the Northeastern US, the GW salesmen wouldn't be pushy in the slightest.

Chowderhead wrote:

MrMerlin wrote:

mrwezmond wrote:I voted 8 because ther minis are great as is most of ther products but i knocked a point off because of price and also a point because everytime i go in there store i feel like i cant just pick something up and have a look at it without them trying to sell it me.

Sure they try to sell tuff to you, what do you expect from a guy working in a shop? Its what theyre getting paid for.

Back when GW had a presence in the Northeastern US, the GW salesmen wouldn't be pushy in the slightest.

well sadly theyre not today. But I just tell them i know what i want already and i only have the money for that to dispose, and they knock it off

Chowderhead wrote:

MrMerlin wrote:

mrwezmond wrote:I voted 8 because ther minis are great as is most of ther products but i knocked a point off because of price and also a point because everytime i go in there store i feel like i cant just pick something up and have a look at it without them trying to sell it me.

Sure they try to sell tuff to you, what do you expect from a guy working in a shop? Its what theyre getting paid for.

Back when GW had a presence in the Northeastern US, the GW salesmen wouldn't be pushy in the slightest.

Ye i can accept that they just doing there jobs but theres always one who is literally breathing down your neck soon as they see you pick something up. Even though you went in to buy something anyway, theres always something else you "need" just so they can meet there sales quotes.Like i said i still think their models are great quality and il still go and buy them they just shouldnt be so pushy. Any way iv found a way around it, i just send in my girlfriend with a list lol.

Chowderhead wrote:

MrMerlin wrote:

mrwezmond wrote:I voted 8 because ther minis are great as is most of ther products but i knocked a point off because of price and also a point because everytime i go in there store i feel like i cant just pick something up and have a look at it without them trying to sell it me.

Sure they try to sell tuff to you, what do you expect from a guy working in a shop? Its what theyre getting paid for.

Back when GW had a presence in the Northeastern US, the GW salesmen wouldn't be pushy in the slightest.

That was probably because the product sold itself.....

as a collector you know what you want to buy aswell, which is why i suppose that people feel that the staff are pushy and condescending.
now I myself take careful consideration into what i buy these days, for reasons stated above.

I guess the prime directive in the GW Councill of Evil is one of hard selling before everyone loses interest.

for a company i loved since i was 7 years old i am not very nice to it

im a bad man..........

Starting at an average of 5/10 (on a true neutral scale where 5 is no feelings either way):

First the positives:
+1 - Enjoy the universe of 40K
+1 - Love the models
+1 - Love some of the specialist games

For a score of 8/10

Then the negatives:
-1 - No support for specialist games
-1 - Constant price hikes
-1 - Treatment of customer base like The Enemy
-1 - Denial of the internet/21st century/other companies/that they are anything other than the whole wargaming hobby

For an overall score of 4/10. I would probably be tempted to go down to 3/10 adding an extra -1 for general dissatisfaction.

hey guys were nearly at 500 votes!

So whats the average? 6?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
but for a gaming company to stay as true to their products as they have without selling out is commendable in and of itself.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

without selling out? GW is the definition of selling out. Go check the dictionary, there is an actual picture of Kirby next to the "Selling Out" entry!

Ever look at the state of Dungeons & Dragons lately? They are now the WoW of the role-playing world. When TSR sold itself to Wizards of the Coast, who in turn were sold to Hasbro, that was a sell out. Who owns Games Workshop? That's right, Games Workshop does.

I couldn't care less about D&D and TSR.

But really, the old GW company motto was "by gamers for gamers", the moment that they wen't public they started to care only for how much profit they can make, that is selling out.

Also, the moment that they wen't public, GW stopped owning GW, they are owned by hundreds or thousands of share holders that don't care about GW customers or even about the product that the company makes they only care about share dividends, that is selling out.

NAVARRO wrote:So whats the average? 6?

with 496 votes its at 5.7

MrMerlin wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:So whats the average? 6?

with 496 votes its at 5.7

A bit above the water line then, many times people here do complain about the super fans or the chronic naysayers but at the end of the day its my impression that this score is really a mirror of the reality outhere... and its so funny that the final score is so moderate

The extreme pro/con viewpoint is more likely to be spoken, rather than the moderate middle. There is a large number of people in the middle who are not really moved to post, or are drowned out by the pro/con people.

yay, 500 votes!

I voted 5. Love the fluff, always have, always will, but I question the pricing and some of the decisions made over the years. Great plastic models, but the rest just really ruins for me.

I voted a 7/10.

I love Warhammer. I love 40k. I make no secret of that fact.

Now, what I do generally keep to myself is my irritation with some of the company practices. Things such as price raises irritate me, but generally--I ignore them as I have a fairly steady income during the summer and winter. During that timeframe, most of my money goes towards paying for college for the fall and spring--but what's left is banked and earns me interest until I need/want the funds.

What keeps me content with the amount I've spent over the years on Games Workshop's stuff however is the simple fact that as much as I like exploring other company's offerings, I just keep coming back to GW. There's something about the settings of their game that appeals to me in a way that Privateer Press or the other Big Names cannot. I can also be pretty certain of the fact that I've made a good investment. Whether it's the investment of time I've put into my models, the time I've spent reading the background material, or even just the people I've met--GW takes my money, and I get something tangible back.