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Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Once you wear the uniform however, you've met the standard. No need to worry about message etc.

This is true, but I would say that the same is true for the Hell's Angel who throws on his jacket in the morning or the " Punk Rocker" lacing up his Doc Martens....they're no more " worried" about the " message" they send than the corporate executive slipping into his suit and tie is...in fact, they may be less concerned than the executive.

Agreed, hence I said "uniform." It doesn't have all the angsty have to look cool hep cat emo wrist cutter you normally see in high school.

...True enough man, but you know teenagers tend to be much more affected by the " must fit in/ or not fit in" factor than adults ( or at least seem to think about it more on the surface), so...while adults still play the " Attire sends a message" game ( and we do)..a lot of the " give a gak" factor sort of goes out the window ( or changes to a degree).


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Jihadin wrote:

though he might be a well dressed seriel killer..

with a name of Dexter

Exactly.

FITZZ wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Once you wear the uniform however, you've met the standard. No need to worry about message etc.

This is true, but I would say that the same is true for the Hell's Angel who throws on his jacket in the morning or the " Punk Rocker" lacing up his Doc Martens....they're no more " worried" about the " message" they send than the corporate executive slipping into his suit and tie is...in fact, they may be less concerned than the executive.

Agreed, hence I said "uniform." It doesn't have all the angsty have to look cool hep cat emo wrist cutter you normally see in high school.

...True enough man, but you know teenagers tend to be much more affected by the " must fit in/ or not fit in" factor than adults ( or at least seem to think about it more on the surface), so...while adults still play the " Attire sends a message" game ( and we do)..a lot of the " give a gak" factor sort of goes out the window ( or changes to a degree).

Exactly. Thats all I am saying.

I have no problem with the hipster look or people being hipsters. What really bugs me is the predominant hipster attitude that I would describe as "uninformed liberalism"

I'm not talking about all of them, but it's a LOT of them. As a more oldschool keynesean LBJ style liberal, it really rubs me the wrong way when they bash capitalism.

Isn't the hipster look kinda bringing back the black horn rimsomething glasses?

Jihadin wrote:Isn't the hipster look kinda bringing back the black horn rimsomething glasses?

It is.

And I think those glasses are actually really good. They're quite sturdy and won't bend and warp the way metal ones will. I like that.

Meh, I may agree with some of the political ideas , but do tend to find some of the "hipster" elitism a bit annoying/amusing ( though I suspect we're all guilty of some sort of " elitism" to a greater or lesser degree), but...I have to admit if I'm at a bar/party and some guy in a spam t-shirt is going on about not being surprised that no one has heard of " Rainbow monkey trout" because they're music is just so " above" mass consumption...I do get the urge to throw them through a window.

You should give in to those urges.

FITZZ wrote: Meh, I may agree with some of the political ideas , but do tend to find some of the "hipster" elitism a bit annoying/amusing ( though I suspect we're all guilty of some sort of " elitism" to a greater or lesser degree), but...I have to admit if I'm at a bar/party and some guy in a spam t-shirt is going on about not being surprised that no one has heard of " Rainbow monkey trout" because they're music is just so " above" mass consumption...I do get the urge to throw them through a window.

There are degrees. There are hipsters who just dress a certain way or are into certain things and it's no big deal. But some of them want to talk your ear off about how much better those tastes are than anything else and christ that's annoying.

Rented Tritium wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Meh, I may agree with some of the political ideas , but do tend to find some of the "hipster" elitism a bit annoying/amusing ( though I suspect we're all guilty of some sort of " elitism" to a greater or lesser degree), but...I have to admit if I'm at a bar/party and some guy in a spam t-shirt is going on about not being surprised that no one has heard of " Rainbow monkey trout" because they're music is just so " above" mass consumption...I do get the urge to throw them through a window.

There are degrees. There are hipsters who just dress a certain way or are into certain things and it's no big deal. But some of them want to talk your ear off about how much better those tastes are than anything else and christ that's annoying.

Yeah, to be honest how someone chooses to dress doesn't bother me one way or other, hell wear a chicken on your head if it makes you happy..it's no skin off my teeth, and I feel the same about personal taste in art,music...what have you, want to listen to a band that only six other people have heard of?...go to it....but it's really all a matter of taste and just because " speckled butt bananas" lyrics are " dripping with social relevance" doesn't mean that I want to hear a four hour sermon about how " important" their music is.
Hell, a lot of the bands I like aren't "widely" listened to...that doesn't mean I feel the need to doff an " I'm above you" cap.

FITZZ wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Meh, I may agree with some of the political ideas , but do tend to find some of the "hipster" elitism a bit annoying/amusing ( though I suspect we're all guilty of some sort of " elitism" to a greater or lesser degree), but...I have to admit if I'm at a bar/party and some guy in a spam t-shirt is going on about not being surprised that no one has heard of " Rainbow monkey trout" because they're music is just so " above" mass consumption...I do get the urge to throw them through a window.

There are degrees. There are hipsters who just dress a certain way or are into certain things and it's no big deal. But some of them want to talk your ear off about how much better those tastes are than anything else and christ that's annoying.

Yeah, to be honest how someone chooses to dress doesn't bother me one way or other, hell wear a chicken on your head if it makes you happy..it's no skin off my teeth

How about a turkey?

That must have been a lot of beers and shots.......

CptJake wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Meh, I may agree with some of the political ideas , but do tend to find some of the "hipster" elitism a bit annoying/amusing ( though I suspect we're all guilty of some sort of " elitism" to a greater or lesser degree), but...I have to admit if I'm at a bar/party and some guy in a spam t-shirt is going on about not being surprised that no one has heard of " Rainbow monkey trout" because they're music is just so " above" mass consumption...I do get the urge to throw them through a window.

There are degrees. There are hipsters who just dress a certain way or are into certain things and it's no big deal. But some of them want to talk your ear off about how much better those tastes are than anything else and christ that's annoying.

Yeah, to be honest how someone chooses to dress doesn't bother me one way or other, hell wear a chicken on your head if it makes you happy..it's no skin off my teeth

How about a turkey?

... ..Well, seeing as how Thanksgiving is almost upon us...it would be appropriate.

Jihadin wrote:That must have been a lot of beers and shots.......

I cannot confirm nor deny that. Nor can I confirm or deny that a can of carburator cleaner was used to make Turkey Head into Flaming Turkey Head.

Heh.

Rented Tritium wrote:I have no problem with the hipster look or people being hipsters. What really bugs me is the predominant hipster attitude that I would describe as "uninformed liberalism"

I'm not talking about all of them, but it's a LOT of them. As a more oldschool keynesean LBJ style liberal, it really rubs me the wrong way when they bash capitalism.

Its the fact that capitalism has become synonymous with exploitation, debt, and environmental destruction. It's hard to look back over the decades without seeing this trend. Now, since communism/sovietism was an undocumented abject failure, but looks nice and shares three points of interest with the youth behind the OWS movement they seem to be clustering around it because it projects the correct antithesis to the current regime. Add to that youthful overconfidence/arrogance and inflated self opinions and you get exactly what you have right now.



That said, unrestricted capitaism isn't the hottest thing on the block that pro capitalists make it out to be. I will give you the example of what happened in the Soviet Union, and that is every staunch pro-communist was adamant that the system failed because they were not puritan enough. You have the same thing being said by capitalists here and now, and that is just a complete and total lie. I mention the housing market implosion as a point of interest here. I have a hard time seeing any "damn dirty red filthy socialist communist neck-bearded unwashed scum expletive expletive expletive expletive" influence that can be argued to have caused the collapse (If anyone DOES see it though, please do mention it). Something needs to be there to kick in and provide some sort of safety net both for people and to get the economy going again, like back in the 30's, or the risk of idiotic revolution by means of killing everyone who had anything to do with ruling the government and replacing the governors with inept nards who will run things to the ground seven times before they get anything resembling a government working (take revolutionist france and russia as obvious examples). I'm not saying capitalism is a PoS, I'm saying it's subject to the same observation as democracy is: "it's the least-bad system".

On a tangent, I recall having read a number of documents in university touting adam smith and haling him a godsend hero. Now for the sake of me I can't remember the points, all I remember is that adam smith was being taken completely out of context and his arguments twisted to suit other's nefarious purposes. The man advocated fair wage/profit from useful labor, and if my memory is up to par, that means he was more of a socialist in the fact that one had to mix their labor with their output, which would put banks and property owners and managers as essentially leeches. (which, in my experience in retail, managers need a boot six feet up their donkey's caves because I don't see why 3 managers need to be in the back passing jokes and laughing when all we need is one person to walk buy, complement the customer on how well they look, and help out the three people trying to handle 15 customers on the sales floor, easilly securing $1'500 to $25'000 for just walking by, but then chewing us out for being unable to complete the sale.... I could go on for another three hours of why I hate managers but I am going to stop right here before I say things I will inevitably enjoy saying but regret later) The real trick is, under the current economic and world structure, anything Adam Smith has to say is a theoretical interpretation applicable at the lowest store-operation level. The amount of organizational work that goes on behind delivering something to a customer has changed dramatically considering just how much of the economy is centered around service than goods/manufacturing.

FITZZ wrote:
Meh, I may agree with some of the political ideas , but do tend to find some of the "hipster" elitism a bit annoying/amusing ( though I suspect we're all guilty of some sort of " elitism" to a greater or lesser degree), but...I have to admit if I'm at a bar/party and some guy in a spam t-shirt is going on about not being surprised that no one has heard of " Rainbow monkey trout" because they're music is just so " above" mass consumption...I do get the urge to throw them through a window.

Couldn't agree more. There is a clear and explicit reason that a band is not in mass consumption, and that is either because it's tererible or because the band has other priorities than making it big, in which case they're probably not that good anyway. I'm into the metal scene by proxy, and its surprising to see just how superficial people get in there.