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I was listenening to the radio the other day when they announced about half of the US automotive plants that have closed since 1978 will reopen, but they will only employ a fraction of the workers.
So with all that high end manufacturing why is my flywheel coverplate such a piece of gak on my mini? Speaking of which...can you get me a flywheel (clutch) coverplate for a late model mpi A+ engine .

Flashman wrote:

Scrabb wrote:I am simply shocked that a frenchman would say that the UK is in worse shape than france. Just shocked.

Yeah, the cheeky scamp. Time for another good old fashioned war with the French to show them who's boss... not with Hyena Joe though, he's alright.

EDIT - This will have to wait until after the Olympics though as I have just read that we are stationing our largest aircraft carrier in the Thames for security purposes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/8958712/Military-to-help-out-with-Olympic-2012-security.html

I thought we'd run out of aircraft carriers

The BBC report claimed it would be a Battleship parked on the Thames...

Edit: Having looked at the Telegraph picture of HMS Ocean, it looks to be a helicopter carrier rather than a traditional aeroplane carrier.

Edit to the edit: According to Wiki, it is a Landing Platform Helicopter - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Platform,_Helicopter

HMS Ocean is basically a smaller version of the USS Tarawa class of vessel.

IMHO UK was right not to join the euro. Prices went up quite quickly in Ireland when it came in. There was much talk of it not being worth much. IE E5 = £4(irl) but would not get you £4(irl) worth of goods.

Most British people I've spoken to seemed to have little faith in the euro and I have to agree with them.

The EU generally doesn't like the UK anyway. When I was in Brussles about 4 years ago they were still sniping at the brits in the parliament.

Also I don't thinkg the 'veto' is a veto in the strict sense that it will go ahead without the British.

Also Ireland is buggered worse than a black jew in nazi germany...

obsidianaura wrote:

I thought we'd run out of aircraft carriers

you still have Illustrious although I still scratch my head as to why Ark Royal both newer and more recently refitted wasn't retained...

Kilkrazy wrote:HMS Ocean is basically a smaller version of the USS Tarawa class of vessel.

I get tue comparison but Ocean really has more in common with a handy cargo ship than true LHD. Not that there's anything wrong with that but she's constructed to civilian commercial standards. Considering it's not considered a frontline combat ship and it cost 1/4 what the Wasps are there might be a lesson to be learned in the US establishment here.

Phototoxin wrote:IMHO UK was right not to join the euro. Prices went up quite quickly in Ireland when it came in. There was much talk of it not being worth much. IE E5 = £4(irl) but would not get you £4(irl) worth of goods.

Most British people I've spoken to seemed to have little faith in the euro and I have to agree with them.

The EU generally doesn't like the UK anyway. When I was in Brussles about 4 years ago they were still sniping at the brits in the parliament.

Also I don't thinkg the 'veto' is a veto in the strict sense that it will go ahead without the British.

Also Ireland is buggered worse than a black jew in nazi germany...

They don't like us because we've always behaved like fethers.

You can't imagine they wouldn't like us if we were all pally-pally with Sarkozy, handing over £40 billion to the ECB and stuff like that. Handing back our EU subscription rebate, for example.

The point is that we are still too big to ignore, but if we continue to be complete fethers they will eventually give up. I don't know if that would be a good thing or not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16235837
Vince Cable agrees with me

Mr Cable told the BBC the prime minister "got a short-term boost from it, but it doesn't actually deal with the big long-term problems in Europe"...Mr Cable agreed with the suggestion that the use of the British veto had not put the UK's financial sector in a stronger position

And this is from someone in the government.

Well that's a very nice quote from one man in Government. Shame the Mayor of London doesn't agree, along with other support from Hungary, Czech Republic and Ireland.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075716/Boris-predicts-end-Euro-12-months-bubblegum-treaty--Camerons-hardline-stance-sees-Tories-open-strong-poll-lead.html

Besides it appears My Cameron did the right thing because looky, the Tories are ahead in the polls, meaing quite a few people agree with what he did and not considering him as "utterly imcompitent".

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Well that's a very nice quote from one man in Government. Shame the Mayor of London doesn't agree, along with other support from Hungary, Czech Republic and Ireland.

The mayor of London is a right-winger who quite probably has designs on being Prime Minister himself.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075716/Boris-predicts-end-Euro-12-months-bubblegum-treaty--Camerons-hardline-stance-sees-Tories-open-strong-poll-lead.html

Besides it appears My Cameron did the right thing because looky, the Tories are ahead in the polls, meaing quite a few people agree with what he did and not considering him as "utterly imcompitent".

Yes, the British public are fanatically anti-Europe. Point? Have you ever actually spoken to the British public? It's a wonder democracy works at all.

Lol, democracy doesn't work (in short - it's very difficultimpossible to deliver a programme of effective policies where the benefits can seen before the angry voters have kicked you out - plus most politicians are bastards out for their own personal short term gain), it's just better than an dictatorship.

Joey wrote:

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Well that's a very nice quote from one man in Government. Shame the Mayor of London doesn't agree, along with other support from Hungary, Czech Republic and Ireland.

The mayor of London is a right-winger who quite probably has designs on being Prime Minister himself.

Vince Cable is a Lib-Dem europhile with a history of speaking out of turn in order to accumulate political capital for himself, even if it negatively affects the government of which he is a member. That Cable is is attempting to attract favourable headlines by briefing against his coalition partners does not mean that what Cameron did was wrong.

Albatross wrote:

Joey wrote:

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Well that's a very nice quote from one man in Government. Shame the Mayor of London doesn't agree, along with other support from Hungary, Czech Republic and Ireland.

The mayor of London is a right-winger who quite probably has designs on being Prime Minister himself.

Vince Cable is a Lib-Dem europhile with a history of speaking out of turn in order to accumulate political capital for himself, even if it negatively affects the government of which he is a member. That Cable is is attempting to attract favourable headlines by briefing against his coalition partners does not mean that what Cameron did was wrong.

Nor really does it mean Joey is right since I'd rather take the word of Boris Johnson than Vince Cable. See, personal opinions.

Unfortunately Joey you have an opinion that conflicts with others, which is why arguing on the Internet never works. I respect your opinion but I disagree with it, as do others here. I think what caused more upset was saying Mr Cameron was incompitent, because really a lot of the public think he did the right thing. On the face of things, the Euro is a dead weight in the mury waters of economy; it'll go when people let it go. And sadly politicians and bankers won't let it go because there isn't an alternative currency in place. And yes I reocgnise doing such a thing is both time-costing and incredibly expensive, not to mention very frustrating, but I really can't see a way to save the Euro.

Speaking of which, it was revealed the other day that the European Banks wanted the UK to pay out 30 billion (I think) euros to prop up the Euro and help bail out other countries. This is 20 billion more than the budget set out by the government, which is 40 billion total. 30 billion has already been paid out and Europe wants 30 billion more. Somehow I think avoiding that was a wise move.

Yepp.

...Haven't read a single comment, post or even the main post, just the title.

Joey wrote:The idea that our system is "democratic" is absurd. A handful of very wealthy people decided that David Cameron should be prime minister, and it was so. Elections do not equate to freedom and liberty, they just enthrall leaders to the whims of the hoi polloi.

After reading through this thread, I've decided that there is no point in me adding anything as most of it has been said.

However! I shall add that the term "hoi polloi" actually means the commoners ("The Majority" in Greek) and NOT the Upper Class or wealthy.

Now, despite only being 16, I have made this thread a better, more correct place. Vote Iranna for PM!

Iranna.

Iranna wrote:

Joey wrote:The idea that our system is "democratic" is absurd. A handful of very wealthy people decided that David Cameron should be prime minister, and it was so. Elections do not equate to freedom and liberty, they just enthrall leaders to the whims of the hoi polloi.

After reading through this thread, I've decided that there is no point in me adding anything as most of it has been said.

However! I shall add that the term "hoi polloi" actually means the commoners ("The Majority" in Greek) and NOT the Upper Class or wealthy.

Now, despite only being 16, I have made this thread a better, more correct place. Vote Iranna for PM!

That is nice, and thanks for waiting two weeks to respond btw, but your point isn't in disagreement with Joey's point, and actually reinforces it. The point being that Elections are essentially just shows for the masses.

Ahtman wrote:

That is nice, and thanks for waiting two weeks to respond btw, but your point isn't in disagreement with Joey's point, and actually reinforces it. The point being that Elections are essentially just shows for the masses.

You're welcome, I do try you know.

I never said I was taking sides, I just thought I'd define the term for any viewers or posters who didn't know what the phrase meant!

All the best,

Iranna.