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Eh I don't know bout switching but i wouldnt mind borrowing Jacobus or Exorcists. lol

Draigo wrote:Eh I don't know bout switching but i wouldnt mind borrowing Jacobus or Exorcists. lol

Can I hold you to that? I'll give you all of my Exorcists for your Psyflemen (Venerable or otherwise).

Amerikon wrote:

Draigo wrote:Eh I don't know bout switching but i wouldnt mind borrowing Jacobus or Exorcists. lol

Can I hold you to that? I'll give you all of my Exorcists for your Psyflemen (Venerable or otherwise).

You want 6 dreadnaughts for 3 tanks? Not all 6 but I would trade ven or heavy sure.

Draigo wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

Draigo wrote:Eh I don't know bout switching but i wouldnt mind borrowing Jacobus or Exorcists. lol

Can I hold you to that? I'll give you all of my Exorcists for your Psyflemen (Venerable or otherwise).

You want 6 dreadnaughts for 3 tanks? Not all 6 but I would trade ven or heavy sure.

DEAL! We have no viable elite slots and BS 5 is amazing!

Tomb King wrote:

Draigo wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

Draigo wrote:Eh I don't know bout switching but i wouldnt mind borrowing Jacobus or Exorcists. lol

Can I hold you to that? I'll give you all of my Exorcists for your Psyflemen (Venerable or otherwise).

You want 6 dreadnaughts for 3 tanks? Not all 6 but I would trade ven or heavy sure.

DEAL! We have no viable elite slots and BS 5 is amazing!

Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

I'm in to trade also, but tell it to the guys at WD to officialise it, otherwise its just a show.

obj2: i'm thinking of putting togeather multiple lists for sob, 2 for 500pt, one/two - not decided yet - for 750, one for 1k, 1.5k, 2k, 3k. This will be done aprox in an hour or so, and i would like some ideas on what to and not to do and/or bring in it.
ime, starting w small points helps to better understand the useage of the squad at hand - and gives time to experiment.
this might be an opportunity to try out the reps in action.

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actually, 3 lists for 500pt:
I. St.Cele/Jacobus + 2 BSS w meltas, combi flamers in rhino 495/470
II. Jacobus/Kyrinov + 3 BSS w flamers and CS (foot) 495
III. Canoness w PW w rets all HB + 2 BSS w flamers and CS(foot) 500 - although its the right points, i wouldnt recomend it, unless you are playing just for fun.

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upgrade to 750pt:
I. 2 dominions w meltas in a rhino - meching starts/continues 250
II. 1 Domi w meltas and combi + seras w two two hand flamers power sword and plasma pistol 245 extra

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for objective control type games, upgrade to 750pt
III. For mech: remove the combi weapons, and +1 BSS w meltas in rhino and add St.Cele/Jacobus 745 pt
IV. For foot: BSS w meltas and CS, and adding a nother HQ - if it is St.Cele, it comes out to 755, in our groups overlimit


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upgrade lv 2: 1k - wuppy!
I personally like the I.+I., so adding a nother domi w meltas in rhino and adding combi weapons to the dominion superiors + a squad of retris w HB or MM OR adding a nother HQ would be the idea - I+I w extra domi and HQ 990 pt
If you've gone with the II+II, then adding a nother domi and increasing the seras to 8 is an option and adding HQ is good(total of 1k if it is St.Cele), or adding rhinos to the domis, removeing the plasma from the sera superior and adding HQ(total 1k if it is St.Cele)

Eather way, it can be molded in to cnc type lists, for at 1k, 3 scoreing unites are quite good.
But if you want more scoreing, you can add a nother BSS w meltas, CS and a retributor w HB's 980-985. Give 2 combi weapons or power swords, or 4 meltabombs to BSS superiors.
If meching, dont take retributors, just a rhino for the BSS maybe a retributor sq w 2 HB, or get 4 DCA and a Crusader, leave a BSS behind, and pack the starting Uriah bomb in to that. 1000-1005pt


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as far as my "genius" goes, id stay with the I.+I. extra domi, hq choice.
could this be competative?

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

pretre wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

Psyflemen are so much better than Exorcists. Exorcists win in AP1 and that's it. Where do they lose? Random shot number, single weapon, not twin-linked, no Fortitude. AV13 Front for AV12 Side is a pretty even trade. Dreads are also a little smaller so it's easier to get cover for them. If I could take Psyflemen, my Exorcists would never see the table.


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Maybe this should go in the Gray Knights are OP thread?

pretre wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

Hell, I'd probably take Penitent Engines regularly if they were an Elite choice.

Amerikon wrote:

pretre wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

Psyflemen are so much better than Exorcists. Exorcists win in AP1 and that's it. Where do they lose? Random shot number, single weapon, not twin-linked, no Fortitude. AV13 Front for AV12 Side is a pretty even trade. Dreads are also a little smaller so it's easier to get cover for them. If I could take Psyflemen, my Exorcists would never see the table.


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Maybe this should go in the Gray Knights are OP thread?

Cept Exorcists are cheaper then vendread so I could fit 3 of them and 3 psyfleman so thats how they win. lol

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:Hell, I'd probably take Penitent Engines regularly if they were an Elite choice.

This is true. They'd be pretty impressive if I could use them in addition to my normal 1850.

Quote fail pretre? Anyway, yeah, I could fit 3 Penitent Engines easily in my 1850 list if they were Elites instead of Heavy.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:Quote fail pretre? Anyway, yeah, I could fit 3 Penitent Engines easily in my 1850 list if they were Elites instead of Heavy.

Yeah, I rule! Still spendy, but worth it, I think. Oh well, they aren't elite so blah to that.

Draigo wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

pretre wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

Psyflemen are so much better than Exorcists. Exorcists win in AP1 and that's it. Where do they lose? Random shot number, single weapon, not twin-linked, no Fortitude. AV13 Front for AV12 Side is a pretty even trade. Dreads are also a little smaller so it's easier to get cover for them. If I could take Psyflemen, my Exorcists would never see the table.


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Maybe this should go in the Gray Knights are OP thread?

Cept Exorcists are cheaper then vendread so I could fit 3 of them and 3 psyfleman so thats how they win. lol

Aren't they both the exact same price? 135pts?

Amerikon wrote:

Draigo wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

pretre wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

Psyflemen are so much better than Exorcists. Exorcists win in AP1 and that's it. Where do they lose? Random shot number, single weapon, not twin-linked, no Fortitude. AV13 Front for AV12 Side is a pretty even trade. Dreads are also a little smaller so it's easier to get cover for them. If I could take Psyflemen, my Exorcists would never see the table.


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Maybe this should go in the Gray Knights are OP thread?

Cept Exorcists are cheaper then vendread so I could fit 3 of them and 3 psyfleman so thats how they win. lol

Aren't they both the exact same price? 135pts?

He said he wanted vendreads which are closer to 200 with the fixins. So I said sure I'll take exorcists as elites. 6 str8 shot platforms for 130 each.. That's a fair trade imo.

Draigo wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

Draigo wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

pretre wrote:

Pouncey wrote:Um... Can I keep my Exorcists, please? I have one already which I'd like to use again should the mood strike me.

Ditto, Exorcists are awesome. If I could get fire support in Elite, I would need my emergency pants though.

Vendread in my elite? OMG. Heck, let me take retributors in elite and I would have a serious chubby.

Psyflemen are so much better than Exorcists. Exorcists win in AP1 and that's it. Where do they lose? Random shot number, single weapon, not twin-linked, no Fortitude. AV13 Front for AV12 Side is a pretty even trade. Dreads are also a little smaller so it's easier to get cover for them. If I could take Psyflemen, my Exorcists would never see the table.


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Maybe this should go in the Gray Knights are OP thread?

Cept Exorcists are cheaper then vendread so I could fit 3 of them and 3 psyfleman so thats how they win. lol

Aren't they both the exact same price? 135pts?

He said he wanted vendreads which are closer to 200 with the fixins. So I said sure I'll take exorcists as elites. 6 str8 shot platforms for 130 each.. That's a fair trade imo.

Assuming you roll a 6 of course.

No 3 dreads + 3 exorcists = 6 str 8 shot platforms.

Draigo wrote:He said he wanted vendreads which are closer to 200 with the fixins. So I said sure I'll take exorcists as elites. 6 str8 shot platforms for 130 each.. That's a fair trade imo.

My bad. I thought we were talking about the Heavy Support dreads. I'd still totally trade my Exorcists for them.


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enfernux wrote:500pt:
I. St.Cele/Jacobus + 2 BSS w meltas, combi flamers in rhino 495/470
II. Jacobus/Kyrinov + 3 BSS w flamers and CS (foot) 495
III. Canoness w PW w rets all HB + 2 BSS w flamers and CS(foot) 500 - although its the right points, i wouldnt recomend it, unless you are playing just for fun.

I think your best bet at 500 would be list 1 with St Celestine, but trade out the Rhinos for a HB Retributor squad. I think if you went melta/flamer/combi-melta on your BSS squads you'd have 85 pts after dropping the Rhinos. Then when you move to higher point levels you can buy rides for your BSSs.

For the Sera squads, if you're spending 25 pts on loot for your VSS, you'd be better off with an Eviscerator instead of the Power Sword/Plasma Pistol pair.

@Amerikon: could be done, but im counting on the enemy bringing mechs, like Eldar, DE, and for that reason, rhinos are a bit more safe spot for my troops imo. But vs horde type, dropping rhinos and geting HB rets is a good idea.
Also vs hordes, id just use flamers instead of meltas.
St.Cele, 2bss w flamers, combi flamer, 1 hb ret is 490, advanced to lv1up 1 domi w flamers, combi flamer, w jacobus in rhino and one rhino for one BSS is 740.
but then we get to the problem of mech type opponents:
Jacobus w dominion w meltas, combi melta in rhino, 2 BSS w meltas, combi flamer. Option: HB rets w Kyrinov and adding a rhino to each BSS, adding one dozer to the jacobus-domi rhino, 750 OR St. Cele HB rets and a rhino for a BSS for 750 also. in the first case 1 have rerolls on faith points, a faith reroll and a fearless for the rets w a loud hailer, 1 BSS in rhino, 1 on foot, 1 domi in rhino and a ret, giveing me a babysitter troop for cnc or cover-advance behind a rhino in kp, adding a large area control fearless possible rending squad, 5 kp+3 rhinos - depends on how we consider transport.
in the second, we have a never casualty mele harasser, reroll on faiths, 1 BSS in rhino, 1 on foot and a ret in large area controll, same/almost same kill points, but I'd say less effective, than the previous, but adding melee controll.