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I wonder how people define my situation.

I paint my stuff every evening and paint for PSC once a week for a day ... and l get stuff commissioned!

Simply put it allows me to have another army being done while Im doing one.

I find the thought that there is some sort of stigma attached to buying painted figures a bit ridiculous, but then my whole hobby is funded by selling painted models.

 Palindrome wrote:



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Stranger83 wrote:
I'm very motivated, it just isn;t a high priority.

In other words you are slightly motivated.

OK - I can only presume that A) you are purposely being contradictory for the sake of it or B) you do not actually understand the mean of motivation. having things in your live that are more important does not mean that you are less motivated to do something.

For instance, I have zero motivation to go see the in-laws every christmas, yet I will still do this over painting as it is very important to the misses and thus is pretty important to my relationship with her that I go along, in this instance I do something that I have no motivation for over something that I have some motivation for because it is more important to me.

Since I agree with what you are actually trying to say, but disagree with the wording that you are using then there is little more point continuing the conversation.

 carlos13th wrote:

blingman wrote:
Its his children i feel sorry for.
Thirty years old and still acting like a petulant teen, throwing around borderline insults based on nothing but his own crap assumptions.
Proof as if we needed it that adults are not always grown up.
What a pompus idiot.

Thats out of line mate. You are basically calling him a bad father based on a forum post. Thats far more insulting than anything he has said by a country mile.


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 Velour_Fog wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The only reprehensible one in my opinion is if you want to pass them off as your own work. There have been several cases of this happening in Golden Daemon awards.

U
Holy cow! Really? I mean, I'd think someone was a bit of a dick if they claimed their commissioned army was their own work and I found out it wasn't, but putting something in for Golden daemon? That's... I can't really find the words... What would they get out of an award that isn't for their work?

Just wondering out loud really.

Yeah it would be the equivalent of getting someone to play a tournament for you. Except I imagine the painting thing is a little easier to get away with.

No need to put words in mycially when you dont even comprehend my post correctly
I said nothing about him being a bad father, you made that up, i said i feel sorry for his kids, its a shame that innocent kids have to be dragged up by such an immature man that says such ridiculous stuff.

Lots of anger in this discussion.

I haven´t painted anything in at least two years.

1) I am awful at it. Units painted by me are a pain to see. It takes me a lot of time and effort and I get very few in return.
2) I have not much spare time. I will gladly dedicate it to something else. There are many things more important to me.

As a result, most of my stuff has been painted by other people, and I gladly pay for it.

When I was younger, I had much more spare time, and I painted regularly. I really miss it

blingman wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:

blingman wrote:
Its his children i feel sorry for.
Thirty years old and still acting like a petulant teen, throwing around borderline insults based on nothing but his own crap assumptions.
Proof as if we needed it that adults are not always grown up.
What a pompus idiot.

Thats out of line mate. You are basically calling him a bad father based on a forum post. Thats far more insulting than anything he has said by a country mile.


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 Velour_Fog wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The only reprehensible one in my opinion is if you want to pass them off as your own work. There have been several cases of this happening in Golden Daemon awards.

U
Holy cow! Really? I mean, I'd think someone was a bit of a dick if they claimed their commissioned army was their own work and I found out it wasn't, but putting something in for Golden daemon? That's... I can't really find the words... What would they get out of an award that isn't for their work?

Just wondering out loud really.

Yeah it would be the equivalent of getting someone to play a tournament for you. Except I imagine the painting thing is a little easier to get away with.

No need to put words in mycially when you dont even comprehend my post correctly
I said nothing about him being a bad father, you made that up, i said i feel sorry for his kids, its a shame that innocent kids have to be dragged up by such an immature man that says such ridiculous stuff.

Saying you feel sorry for someones kids because of their father is questioning their fathers parenting is it not? I disagree with his posts in this thread but it says nothing at all about how he is with his children and I think its wrong to bring them into it. I think I comprehend your post correctly. Why is "you don't understand my post" such a go to reply on this forum when someone disagrees with them? Can they not comprehend that someone can both understand what they have said and dissagree with it.

 Palindrome wrote:

blingman wrote:
Its his children i feel sorry for.
Thirty years old and still acting like a petulant teen, throwing around borderline insults based on nothing but his own crap assumptions.
Proof as if we needed it that adults are not always grown up.
What a pompus idiot.

I state my case clearly, yet you so obviously fail to grasp it's substance, and you additionally resort to base insults which you only get away with due to the anonymity of the internet. Who exactly is the idiot here?

Wow, it took five pages for someone to become the internet tough guy. Gotta be a new record for a thread on the subject of painted vs unpainted models?

 fishy bob wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:

blingman wrote:
Its his children i feel sorry for.
Thirty years old and still acting like a petulant teen, throwing around borderline insults based on nothing but his own crap assumptions.
Proof as if we needed it that adults are not always grown up.
What a pompus idiot.

I state my case clearly, yet you so obviously fail to grasp it's substance, and you additionally resort to base insults which you only get away with due to the anonymity of the internet. Who exactly is the idiot here?

Wow, it took five pages for someone to become the internet tough guy. Gotta be a new record for a thread on the subject of painted vs unpainted models?

Yeah could be. Five pages of insults over!
Now let's get back to topic.

I got two things commissioned for me. Ezekiel and 5 sniper scouts.
I end up saving money because I:
1) Can't paint banners at all.
2) It's cheaper than buying the paints ($60 (with models) as opposed to $100 (no models))

Big P wrote:
I wonder how people define my situation.

I paint my stuff every evening and paint for PSC once a week for a day ... and l get stuff commissioned!

Simply put it allows me to have another army being done while Im doing one.

I find the thought that there is some sort of stigma attached to buying painted figures a bit ridiculous, but then my whole hobby is funded by selling painted models.

There isn't a stigma.

The original post was not casting aspersions on buying painted figures. His point was that he felt an emotional attachment to his armies because he built and painted them all himself, which increased his enjoyment of the hobby, and he didn't understand why other people wouldn't feel that too.

I agree with the basic attachment point. It is one of the key reasons why tabletop wargames are so popular in a world of instant computer based gaming. Hexmap based games were more or less obliterated by computer games because the emotional factor is not there.

OTOH everyone doesn't feel the emotional connection to the same degree, so lots of people are happy to buy painted figures and there are various practical reasons for doing so.

The only case in which any stigma could be attached is if you claim someone else's work as your own, which is true in any field.

 plastictrees wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I reject the entire premise of the OP's question.

Why does there need to be reasoning behind it?

Because he's curious?
Do we need to submit thread topics for peer review prior to starting them now?

Not a bad idea, if only we could get a better class of peer first.

I love painting. Have been doing it for decades now. I have playable forces across a dozen game systems, but no "finished" armies, as I'm a slow painter and the rules/army books have a habit of changing on me - so my previously-finished armies are no longer legal and need to be rebuilt/organised - and I hate making army lists. Also I buy way too many figures, so when is something really "finished"? I find time to paint about 3 days a week, and perhaps one or two other evenings, but I'm usually too fethed from work to do anything. I might work on a base for 10 minutes, but unless my mind is in it, I'm not going to wreck a model by painting when I'm not in the right mental state to do a good job of it. Sometimes I'm not in the mindset to paint for weeks. The last break I took was for 2 months. I guess I just wasn't motivated enough.
Maybe some sort of motivational reward system with weekly cash prizes, lap dances and BJs could help me to remain motivated all of the time?
Ahem.

I also have "painting ADHD", which means my desire to paint wanders frequently, and with so many cool models out there, it's easier to get motivated to start on something new and interesting and inspiring than to paint another bloody one of those. Of course, gaming with XYZ is always a good motivator, but I don't have the means to easily travel to the closest gaming venue - and on work nights I need to go home and rest, and on non-work days, I basically can't be arsed giving away a weekend, because I have too many other things to do, which includes sitting on my arse posting on Dakka. (While watching TV, painting, playing computer and Xbox games, interacting with my wife, playing with my cat, working on reports and preparation for my job, gardening, and on and on and on...)

I prefer to play with my own painted figures, and almost everything I own was done by myself, with a couple of specific figures painted by friends. I used to commission paint, but now that I'm older and employed, I don't find the payment is worth the time - got my own stuff to do. I don't judge others based on if they painted their own forces, but of course I do prefer to play against fully painted forces, because it just looks so much nicer, but then again, mine aren't always completely complete, either, so no harm no foul.

I do have to say that it's been amusing reading through this thread to see so many abosolutists, with "I AM RIGHT AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS WRONG, WRONG!!" attitudes, though it's been just as heartening to see quite a lot of people who are more chilled out and sensible. The whole "I'd never play against you!" thing is pretty amusing when seeing it written by people on different continents towards one another, though, because, well, you know....

So yeah, I paint because I enjoy it. I do indeed have a personal connection to the models I've painted, but I don't expect others to do the same, or have anything against those who prefer to play rather than paint (I have several RPG/video game-oriented friends who enjoy playing, but I'm the one who paints and supplies the models, and that's fine by me - it means I get more use out of my models!) I don't have anything against those who pay others to paint, or paint for others, or don't enjoy painting. I wouldn't play against unopened models either, and I think it'd be pretty hard to do so in most games, for that matter - but I can only assume that poster was just being contrary for it's own sake. But hey, you call me an elitist melon-fether and I'll just consider it a compliment, as I am a discerning melon-fether.

And you know what? I probably wouldn't want to play against you, anyway.

 Azazelx wrote:
The whole "I'd never play against you!" thing is pretty amusing when seeing it written by people on different continents towards one another, though, because, well, you know....

Well, not really, we just this past month had the WMH WTC over here in which people from both the US and the EU played together. Of course you not only had to have a fully assembled army to take part in it, the army would have to be fully painted as well, so I'm assuming that carmachu would never take part in one of those because it would be like, super elitist to ask that of your players!

PhantomViper wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
The whole "I'd never play against you!" thing is pretty amusing when seeing it written by people on different continents towards one another, though, because, well, you know....

Well, not really, we just this past month had the WMH WTC over here in which people from both the US and the EU played together. Of course you not only had to have a fully assembled army to take part in it, the army would have to be fully painted as well, so I'm assuming that carmachu would never take part in one of those because it would be like, super elitist to ask that of your players!

There is a world of difference between playing in a competitive even that requires a minimum level of painting and playing in a pickup game.

I love converting and scratch building. It relaxes me and it's what make me "bond" with my mini's.
On the other hand I absolutely hate painting, I find it to be a chore that adds nothing to the hobby for me.
So when I have time to hobby I either convert or play.
As you can imagine I have lots of converted yet unpainted models.
If I had the cash I'd love to get them all painted by somebody else.
They would still feel like my mini's as I converted every single one myself.

Saldiven wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
The whole "I'd never play against you!" thing is pretty amusing when seeing it written by people on different continents towards one another, though, because, well, you know....

Well, not really, we just this past month had the WMH WTC over here in which people from both the US and the EU played together. Of course you not only had to have a fully assembled army to take part in it, the army would have to be fully painted as well, so I'm assuming that carmachu would never take part in one of those because it would be like, super elitist to ask that of your players!

There is a world of difference between playing in a competitive even that requires a minimum level of painting and playing in a pickup game.

I WAS making a joke, ense the " " at the end of my post...

For me, painting and converting is all I care about. The game has lost its attraction a long long time ago. And I would still rather chug a gallon of turpentine than agree with some of the paint-fanatic sentiments exhibited here. What gives such people the right? Almost too pathetic to hate. Almost.

This thread has made me want to commission my next army to be painted. All the armies in my gallery plus 3 or 4 others were painted by me, built by me, played by me but now I want one that isn't done by me. Out of spite.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
For me, painting and converting is all I care about. The game has lost its attraction a long long time ago. And I would still rather chug a gallon of turpentine than agree with some of the paint-fanatic sentiments exhibited here. What gives such people the right? Almost too pathetic to hate. Almost.

Hey, you! Put down that turpentine and walk away!

There is pretty much one really insanely opinionated painter on this thread, most of us, even the folks that enjoy painting, are being sane and rational beings.

I don't think that I would ever pay somebody else to paint my minis, but since I have been making money painting miniatures for other people, I am not about to start throwing stones.

Heck, I lost the first game of Necromunda that I have played in years, fighting against a gang that I had painted.

The Auld Grump

My secret shame is that some of the models that I've had over the past twenty five years were painted by my brothers. And I've purchased used models without ever bothering to strip them, because once the model arrived I looked at it, said "Meh, good enough," and put it on the table with the rest of my collection.

Or my brother, who has gotten his wife of all people to help in the assembly line painting of a thirty model unit.

Somehow, I think the "emotional attachment" gets a bit diluted when you're putting, say, fifty to a hundred and fifty models on the table for some games.

 solkan wrote:
My secret shame is that some of the models that I've had over the past twenty five years were painted by my brothers. And I've purchased used models without ever bothering to strip them, because once the model arrived I looked at it, said "Meh, good enough," and put it on the table with the rest of my collection.

In my case I'll buy stuff that happens to be painted and think "this is better than I'll manage, I'll leave it alone"...

Somehow, I think the "emotional attachment" gets a bit diluted when you're putting, say, fifty to a hundred and fifty models on the table for some games.

Definitely. I like that my 8 Brotherhood figures are painted myself, but I really don't care about my 40 model guard swarm, or the hundreds of 15mm infantry, there's just too many of them.

 Azazelx wrote:
A well reasoned, logical, thoughtful, insightful post.

Your common sense clearly has no place in this thread, sir. Back to the painting table with you until such time that are ready to insist the legions of non-painting visigoths finish their armies and that you shame people with half painted armies into not having the gall to seek a game with their mishappen abominations in various state of primer and base coat !


... joking aside, thanks for a very intelligent, and sensible post in a thread without a lot of them.

In particular i can't get over the "NEEDZ TUH BEE PAINTED" crowd minority that have amended their stance to "NEEDZ TUH BEE PAINTED (BAI YOO!)". That i just don't get.

It basically says if you want nice minis but aren't a good painter, oh well. Which is asinine.


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 Azazelx wrote:
And you know what? I probably wouldn't want to play against you, anyway.

Just this, a million times this. Anyone who can get up on a soapbox about painting to such a decree as to say they won't play someone who's army is not fully painted - PSSST... news flash... most of us with non or partially painted armies wouldn't want to play you anyway, so no harm no foul. Your refusal to play me isn't a punishment, it's a bonus. I don't like playing uptight people.


-- Haight

Personally, I will never put an unpainted figure on the table. I don't care if YOU don't (though you should understand I WILL mock you if I face your unpainted metal or plastic horde across the table - but the mockery will be in jest, totes not srs. I don't take this entire hobby seriously.)

I don't care who painted it, though. If I get a 2nd hand model and its paintjob works for me, it goes in the army. If not, it gets stripped and repainted.

I don't get stuff commissioned, though because I'm cheap. I pay enough for these toy soldiers as it is. I don't need to add to the cost of glue and paint by having someone else paint them for me. Besides, that's part of the JOY of this hobby for me. The modelmaking and painting.

Well, I have spent reading these six pages just getting angrier and angrier.
Some people just refuse to think that their life and their use of English and their words are not just their own experience or that they cannot truly judge everyone's available time, by their own thought process.
One guy hijacks this thread with his ridiculous notions, refuses to acknowledge he has hijacked it, refuses the fact that his use of English might just be completely wrong despite being from where he should be a native speaker, acts like a blankety-blank to every person that reasonably points out he is so wrong and just turns this whole thread into a furball.
If that is not hubris personified, then I just know nothing whatsoever!

Have the teenager years, not only filled up the third decade of human existence (the twentyteens), but they also now creep into the fourth decade (the 30s) as well?
I too thought the guy must have been single and no older than twenty at best.
And he claims he is in A-stan doing the job.
I have trouble believing that with what he types.

Any way, I too have a motivation problem evidently.
Let us forget three strokes and their consquences.
Let us put aside a serious injury garnered in American-rules football.
Let us not bother to consider injuries suffered during a venture in the Gulf in the early '90s.
Let us ignore the resulting extremities shaking from high blood pressure resulting from the above and a serious sleep disorder I now have.
Nope, I just have no motivation to paint despite wanting to play with painted armies.
No sirree bob!
I am just a fat and lazy jackaśś that is all about ruining the hobby for everyone else in the world because I just do not have the MOTIVATION to paint my own figures.
Moreover, why should I want to spend time with my wife, my sons, my church, my community, my state and in simple meditation so that I do not burst at the seams over persons like this one!!
No, I am just all unmotivated.
Yep, yep.
His next defense is that my reading comprehension is poor.
Sorry Charlie, I read and understood every last one of your postings, including the massive hubris, overweening pride, behind and through every posting

Fortunately, my wife is better than that and does not believe that of me.
I used to paint all my figures and then I married her, but never got spoiled.
I could tell you all about her experiences at US Games Days, what the folks from GW-UK had to say about her work or how many staffers at GW-US she was painting and converting for before we left but that is needless really.
With my current situation, I can barely design the conversions we do, let alone anything else.
Now it is her that hardly has time to paint because she had to keep all of her family responsibilities taken care of and has to keep up on a goodly number of my own; meanwhile I have nothing but time, but no ability whatsoever left.
Fortunately. I married a kind woman, who is an artist, who spends her days teaching youth art and about art, while still keeping her hand in the art market on Fine Art America, who still takes an interest in her husband's toys for her husband's sake.
I still get wonderful gifts eight times a year though: Valentine's Day, Easter, Father's Day, My Birthday, Our Anniversary, Sweetest Day, Halloween(Samheim) and Christmas.
Beautifully painted figures she does for no one but me.
Love it!
I play less than I did because of, you know, but I have wonderfully painted figures.
Thank you Lori.

So, no, I do not pay others to paint my figures, but I do not do them myself.
My circumstances may be fairly unique.

 DouglasJB wrote:
Well, I have spent reading these six pages just getting angrier and angrier.
Some people just refuse to think that their life and their use of English and their words are not just their own experience or that they cannot truly judge everyone's available time, by their own thought process.
One guy hijacks this thread with his ridiculous notions, refuses to acknowledge he has hijacked it, refuses the fact that his use of English might just be completely wrong despite being from where he should be a native speaker, acts like a blankety-blank to every person that reasonably points out he is so wrong and just turns this whole thread into a furball.
If that is not hubris personified, then I just know nothing whatsoever!

Have the teenager years, not only filled up the third decade of human existence (the twentyteens), but they also now creep into the fourth decade (the 30s) as well?
I too thought the guy must have been single and no older than twenty at best.

Any way, I too have a motivation problem evidently.
Let us forget three strokes and their consquences.
Let us put aside a serious injury garnered in American-rules football.
Let us not bother to consider wounds suffered while serving my country in the Gulf in the early '90s.
Let ignore the resulting extremities shaking from high blood pressure resulting from the above and a serious sleep disorder I now have.
Nope, I just have no motivation to paint despite wanting to play with painted armies.
No sirree bob!
I am just a fat and lazy jackaśś that is all about ruining the hobby for everyone else in the world because I just do not have the MOTIVATION to paint my own figures.
Moreover, why should I want to spend time with my wife, my sons, my church, my community, my state and in simple meditation so that I do not burst at the seams over persons like this one!!
No, I am just all unmotivated.
Yep, yep.
His next defense is that my reading comprehension is poor.
Sorry Charlie, I read and understood every last one of your postings, including the massive hubris, overweening pride, behind and through every posting

Fortunately, my wife is better than that and does not believe that of me.
I used to paint all my figures and then I married her, but never got spoiled.
I could tell you all about her experiences at US Games Days, what the folks from GW-UK had to say about her work or how many staffers at GW-US she was painting and converting for before we left but that is needless really.
With my current situation, I can barely design the conversions we do, let alone anything else.
Now it is her that hardly has time to paint because she had to keep all of her family responsibilities taken care of and has to keep up on a goodly number of my own; meanwhile I have nothing but time, but no ability whatsoever left.
Fortunately. I married a kind woman, who is an artist, who spends her days teaching youth art and about art, while still keeping her hand in the art market on Fine Art America, who still takes an interest in her husband's toys for her husband's sake.
I still get wonderful gifts eight times a year though: Valentine's Day, Easter, Father's Day, My Birthday, Our Anniversary, Sweetest Day, Halloween(Samheim) and Christmas.
Beautifully painted figures she does for no one but me.
Love it!
I play less than I did because of, you know, but I have wonderfully painted figures.
Thank you Lori.

So, no, I do not pay others to paint my figures, but I do not do them myself.
My circumstances may be fairly unique.

There's no need to get angry that someone has a different definition on motivation to you.
I personally don't get why people are reacting that way to the word motivation - I guess its an american/uk thing again. Like having to remember to use the word eraser(us english) instead of rubber(uk english)

I don't paint. I admit I have no motivation to paint. If someone tells me I have no motivation, its just not something to get worked up about.
There are things I'd rather do with my time that I am more motivated to accomplish. These are the things I do.

If someone has motivation (wants to paint), but not the time to paint, then they are more motivated towards achieving other goals - if they were motivated more to paint (for example, I stood behind them with a big stick, hitting them when they stoppped painting) then they would get more painting done and the rest of that persons life may suffer because they now have more painted miniatures. For EG, the kids may now be hungry...
I am lucky in that I get an hour a day when I get in from work to relaxe - I play computer games to relaxe. I am motivated towards playing computer games, not painting.

I don't know how saying someone isn't motivated to have a painted army is an insult.

PS:My wife paints, so I'm living the dream - fully painted 40k armies, done to a higher standard than I could do, while I get to play games

Simple PK, it was his tone and his insistence despite facts being presented that countermanded his mindset.

Over the years, I have had diminishing resources when it comes to stupidity and pride.
Probably more the mileage than the age though.

My life 20+ years ago was massively changed due to a person who appears to be like this fellow.
That change was unwelcomed, unexpected and unwarranted.
So there might be a rather LARGE sore spot when it comes the people like this person PK.

Thank you though for the well intended advice PK.
I do appreciate it.

 DouglasJB wrote:

My life 20+ years ago was massively changed due to a person who appears to be like this fellow.
That change was unwelcomed, unexpected and unwarranted.
So there might be a rather LARGE sore spot when it comes the people like this person PK.

What happened?

Read my "deer" thread.

It is how this kind of topic ends up with people saying that the guy with different opinion is wrong while the whole topic is completely subjective.

I already stated in my two posts that these are only my opinions and not any guidelines to hobby. (Well who would even want those or think that anyone could enforce them?)

As I clearly stated that this is not the way everyone should get their vibes from the hobby, I find it rather unfair, that instead of creative discussion people start to dig up trenchlines in where to fight the final battle of their crusade of righteousness and even in some (although rare) cases start throwing insults aimed at the personality of others.

This goes to both "sides" of the issue.

My sincere reason for opening up this discussion was to have creative discussion about the topic and to bring hobbyists closer to each other but apparently I have failed in my attempt.

In my glossary I don't understand is not a synonym for I hate or anything negative at all. It just simply means that I don't understand something, which also means that if someone would explain me, I might understand.

I assume that during some stages of human evolution, hating everything that was not understood was an essential way of surviving, but we don't need it anymore. You can't die to someone disagreeing you on the Internet, so why to heat up?

-

As for the topic, I can admit that I lack motivation to paint sometimes, which leads me to spend those 30 minutes per day to something else. Priorities rise from our desires and needs, so you really shouldn't have something at your top priority that you are not motivated to do or it might lead to all kinds of problems. As our desires and needs change periodically hence you end up having your priorities and motivation to fluctuate during your life from time to time, which is normal for humans.

Why should anyone try to keep their shining image of the Paragon of the Hobby and claim that wargaming is their top priority of ther life and then try to give excuses why they do not act as their priorities all the time.

There are just plenty of more things to explore and enjoy as being human and our short journey here might be more pleasant if we don't try to physically or mentally headbutt everyone that disagrees with us.

Finn Seer, you simply stepped on a raw nerve that has been a wound since at least the early '90s in the GW hobby.
Some use their paint skills to feel better about themselves than their peers.
Some use their pocketbooks to feel superior in the particular models they own, the number of the total models they own and in the paint job on their models they paid for than their peers.
You simply ripped off the bandage on this wound, ONCE AGAIN, and the collected puss since last time all poured out.

Finn Seer, you could have brought this up with only a group of 8-10 gamers somewhere and gotten the very selfsame result.
It is the core wound in our hobby.
And it will NEVER heal as long as persons use this argument to feel more righteous, more powerful, more elite, more of a true GW Hobbyist than others.

I am pretty sure I have more figures now than most, but definitely I had more than most GW hobbyists when I left GW in the late '90s because I took full advantage of the employee discounts back in the day.
I simply got a whole lot more bang for my buck and so I had nearly two tons of metal figures, not including the many pounds of paper, cardstock and plastic I possessed when I left.
I was not better than anybody; I just worked where I could have far more figures for the very same money than lots of folks.

Hopefully Finn Seer, you have used this experience to better understand the people in our hobby, to better understand yourself and can now understand how to have a better time when playing GW games with others.
If you have not, then this entire thread you started has been a total waste of electrons, contention, memory and discord.