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2014/05/23 15:20:11
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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I heard Swarmlord lost Biomancy, but did he also lose ID on his weapons?
And yeah, youre right about the Raukaan Bikemaster  Does anybody have the wargear + points cost total for him? CM with bike, artificer, chain of gorgon, SE (or SS if this isnt available to them?), + TH right?
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2014/05/23 15:36:51
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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 Sir Arun wrote:I heard Swarmlord lost Biomancy, but did he also lose ID on his weapons?
And yeah, youre right about the Raukaan Bikemaster Does anybody have the wargear + points cost total for him? CM with bike, artificer, chain of gorgon, SE (or SS if this isnt available to them?), + TH right?
He lost the ability to force rerolls on invulnerable saves, and anyone who can seriously compete at this level has eternal warrior anyway.
The Swarmlord can be trivially defeated by a dirt cheap necron lord with a MSS.
He sucks.
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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 15:37:21
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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The Swarmlord kept causing Instant Death and lost:
- 1 psychic power known (but became ML 3)
- Either 18" Synapse range (if something else is your Warlord) or having a Warlord Trait (if the Swarmlord is your Warlord)
- Ability to be Initiative 7-9 and have 6-8 attacks on the charge
- Ability to be Eternal Warrior
- Ability to be Strength and Toughness 7-9
- Forcing rerolls to successful invulnerable saves
- Tyrant Guard with Lash Whips forcing enemies to Initiative 1.
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 Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2014/05/23 15:38:03
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Beast of Nurgle
Earth
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As a Raukaanite, they cannot take the Shield Eternal. You nailed it on the head with the break down, and it typically around the 245 range.
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2014/05/23 15:43:27
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Ebolaking wrote:As a Raukaanite, they cannot take the Shield Eternal. You nailed it on the head with the break down, and it typically around the 245 range.
Raukaan gets Gorgon's chain, which is better because it buffs Smashfether's FNP.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 16:06:11
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Sir Arun wrote:I heard Swarmlord lost Biomancy, but did he also lose ID on his weapons?
And yeah, youre right about the Raukaan Bikemaster Does anybody have the wargear + points cost total for him? CM with bike, artificer, chain of gorgon, SE (or SS if this isnt available to them?), + TH right?
CM with bike, artificer, chain of gorgon,Lightning Claw + Thunder Hammer right?
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2014/05/23 18:51:35
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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 Exergy wrote: Sir Arun wrote:I heard Swarmlord lost Biomancy, but did he also lose ID on his weapons?
And yeah, youre right about the Raukaan Bikemaster Does anybody have the wargear + points cost total for him? CM with bike, artificer, chain of gorgon, SE (or SS if this isnt available to them?), + TH right?
CM with bike, artificer, chain of gorgon,Lightning Claw + Thunder Hammer right?
Yes. Tormentor helm and that one reusable combi-melta are also things you might see.
Anyway, with the new invisibility rules; Be'lakor takes the cake.
https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10312411_238670656323710_2878350746267061926_n.jpg
He's only getting hit on sixes in assault, so even Abaddon is only getting one or two hits on him at best and less than one wound to stick with Drach'nyen (using the Talon severely reduces the number of attacks he can make). Be'Lakor on the other hand is getting 3-4 hits and gets about two to stick.
It's a close run affair, but in the end Be'Lakor should prove that he is the greatest champion of chaos.
Skarbrand fares worse because he can't get enough hits to compete.
In terms of support, Be'Lakor can get better psyker support than Abaddon can but ties with Skarbrand (they are from the same army after all).
On the other hand, Be'Lakor can get a 2++ save to go with his invisibility from the grimoire.
In other words only 1 out of 36 attacks are going to stick (without factoring in to wound rolls, which would only make things worse, god help you if he has Endurance too).
At this point he defeats everything through sheer attrition.
Looks like Be'Lakor is the one true champion of Chaos.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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2014/05/23 20:36:44
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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 Kain wrote:Ebolaking wrote:As a Raukaanite, they cannot take the Shield Eternal. You nailed it on the head with the break down, and it typically around the 245 range.
Raukaan gets Gorgon's chain, which is better because it buffs Smashfether's FNP.
Wait if the Raukaan Bike Master cannot gain access to the Shield Eternal, then he will lose terribad against Skarbrand because he'll get ID'd.
Of course Be'lakor loses because he isnt present in either the CSM or Chaos Daemons codex and is merely a cluster of digital pixels floating somewhere on e-readers But really, at 350 points I think there is no special character that is more expensive than him, so you might as well declare him the winner simply because on a 1 on 1 he will have the points cost advantage, whereas with Abaddon for example you could offset him being just slightly more expensive by giving his opponent first turn.
I take it Abaddon would still smash Skarbrand?
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2014/05/23 20:39:02
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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I believe the Chain grants EW too.
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2014/05/23 20:45:47
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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only as long as he has suffered less than 2 wounds I think, so the chains only guarantee he makes it into cc round 2.
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2014/05/23 20:53:50
Subject: Who is the deadliest non-FW melee guy?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Sir Arun wrote:
only as long as he has suffered less than 2 wounds I think, so the chains only guarantee he makes it into cc round 2.
He gets IWND to solve that.
But yes, with invisibility Be'Lakor is the king of combat monsters.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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