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 techsoldaten wrote:
Maybe a first step it to ask the mods to include a sticky warning in the Swap Shop about dealing with BTP? We could create a poll asking people if they would support such an action. This would get a good deal of exposure and perhaps cause Shawn to come to the table with tenebre.
Dakka should avoid taking any position on it as it would open themselves up to defamation lawsuits for lost business. As long as Dakka is simply the home of reviews and comments from a 3rd party (us) they are protected and it's largely impractical for BTP to chase up individual posters.
   
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Short of a sticky warning, maybe try renaming the title of this thread to make it a warning? If its active enough it'll be bumped up to the front page regularly so people will see it regardless.

"Blue Table Painting" doesn't give any indication of a negative experience and people currently thinking of hiring them or who hire them in future might skip over the thread.

"Do not trust BTP" or "BTP: A warning" is more informative and stands out better.

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 djones520 wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:


I also noticed the company blog is now primarily being used as an outlet for fan fiction. http://bluetablepainting.blogspot.com/



That "fan fiction" is actually the online Pathfinder game that Shawn is GM'ing for me and some friends.


It's really cool the owner chooses to use the official company blog for GM'ing a single game. Shawn is really a visionary.


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 djones520 wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Are you guys paying him? You should tell him you'll be paying his services directly to Tenebre so that the funds are going to the guy who rightfully deserves them! Shawn is a scumbag who deserves nothing but contempt. +1 to the gofundme thing!!


No. And whether or not we were, I'm not going to listen to some internet gunslinger on what I should be doing with my money.

I have no horse in this fight, I was just simply clarifying an incorrect statement that someone had made earlier.


I appreciate you for clearing that up. Knowing that the fictional story posted on the official company blog is actually a fictional story related to a game, and not simple fan fiction, does clarify things a great deal.

With regards to taking guidance from gunslingers on the web on how to spend your money, yeah, other people's opinions don't matter. Good for you standing up for yourself!


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:
Maybe a first step it to ask the mods to include a sticky warning in the Swap Shop about dealing with BTP? We could create a poll asking people if they would support such an action. This would get a good deal of exposure and perhaps cause Shawn to come to the table with tenebre.
Dakka should avoid taking any position on it as it would open themselves up to defamation lawsuits for lost business. As long as Dakka is simply the home of reviews and comments from a 3rd party (us) they are protected and it's largely impractical for BTP to chase up individual posters.


I understand about safe harbor and all, but there is precedent with Daniel Mandelbaum. I am not sure it's in Shawn's capacity or interest to sue dakkadakka.com, and think the Streisand effect would probably end such an effort quickly.


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Short of a sticky warning, maybe try renaming the title of this thread to make it a warning? If its active enough it'll be bumped up to the front page regularly so people will see it regardless.

"Blue Table Painting" doesn't give any indication of a negative experience and people currently thinking of hiring them or who hire them in future might skip over the thread.

"Do not trust BTP" or "BTP: A warning" is more informative and stands out better.


Thinking something more elaborate may be in order.

I did some horizon research and, yes, it's hard to find threads with warnings about BTP compared to a year ago. The fact casual Internet users are able to find them without any kind of an alert coming up is challenging. Atrophy is a thing, it's only people's interest that keeps things high in search engine rankings.

Maybe we all change our signatures to warn people, so the warning goes out in every post we make on the site? This would have a bigger effect than a single thread and dakka would certainly be protected against safe harbor provisions as it is user generated content.


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 techsoldaten wrote:


A second action would be to call for a public boycott of Valhalla. It's an event organized by BTP that is enjoyed by some serious gamers, but it comes at the expense of people like tenebre. Perhaps we go forward with a public awareness campaign to alert people about the relationship between the event and the actions of it's host. While this may not impact who attends, it may affect who publicizes their attendance.



I thought Wargamergirl organised and hosted Valhalla this year

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 techsoldaten wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:
Maybe a first step it to ask the mods to include a sticky warning in the Swap Shop about dealing with BTP? We could create a poll asking people if they would support such an action. This would get a good deal of exposure and perhaps cause Shawn to come to the table with tenebre.
Dakka should avoid taking any position on it as it would open themselves up to defamation lawsuits for lost business. As long as Dakka is simply the home of reviews and comments from a 3rd party (us) they are protected and it's largely impractical for BTP to chase up individual posters.


I understand about safe harbor and all, but there is precedent with Daniel Mandelbaum.
When doing something unwise, stating you've done something before that set a precedence is hardly a good defence And in the case of Daniel Mandelbaum, I believe he was setting up companies under false names, so it's not really comparable to the current situation.

A lawyery friend of mine casually pointed out while discussing something else that it's best to stay out of the line of fire when it comes to something that may affect someone's income.

I am not sure it's in Shawn's capacity or interest to sue dakkadakka.com, and think the Streisand effect would probably end such an effort quickly.
That doesn't make it a good idea for Dakka to poke the bear. If Dakka starts posting stuff, editing posts or sticky'ing posts it puts them in the line of fire and when someone (like BTP) is put up against a wall that affects them financially they may lash out and really it'd be a lose-lose situation for Dakka.

The smart thing to do is just avoid putting yourself in a position where you can have claims of defamation levelled at you rather than trying to stand on principle and getting caught in the crossfire.

If the community wants to take down BTP through forum posts/threads, youtube, facebook, manipulating google searches, let the community do it.

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.


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 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.



Pretty much.

They have a lot of loyal customers. This will certainly hurt their business, no doubt. Generating new customers will definitely face hurdles now. I have a friend whose given them probably close to $20,000 over the years though, and plans on continuing to use their services.

This is a black eye for Shawn, I definitely agree with that. As we all know though, there are three sides to a story, and we only know one of them. I'm not at all discounting the guy, to me, it seems he was done dirty, but starting internet crusades when you don't know everything is never good business, and I doubt we'll see Dakka as an official entity, get behind it.


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 Rolsheen wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:


A second action would be to call for a public boycott of Valhalla. It's an event organized by BTP that is enjoyed by some serious gamers, but it comes at the expense of people like tenebre. Perhaps we go forward with a public awareness campaign to alert people about the relationship between the event and the actions of it's host. While this may not impact who attends, it may affect who publicizes their attendance.



I thought Wargamergirl organised and hosted Valhalla this year


That she did.

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 djones520 wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.



Pretty much.

They have a lot of loyal customers. This will certainly hurt their business, no doubt. Generating new customers will definitely face hurdles now. I have a friend whose given them probably close to $20,000 over the years though, and plans on continuing to use their services.

This is a black eye for Shawn, I definitely agree with that. As we all know though, there are three sides to a story, and we only know one of them. I'm not at all discounting the guy, to me, it seems he was done dirty, but starting internet crusades when you don't know everything is never good business, and I doubt we'll see Dakka as an official entity, get behind it.


I'm disinclined to say there's another side to this story. Tenebre put up his pictures and video evidence of the models and the correspondence, I can think of at least one other thread with similar pictures, correspondence, etc., and I know if I tried I could find more negative reviews of BTP. I'm not saying the guy hasn't made some people happy, but the price to quality ratio is way out of whack.

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 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.

I'm pretty sure in the end the buddy chose not to use them.

Shawn just reeks of charlatanism to me, I've tried to watch some of his videos and I just can't, he just comes across as untrustworthy. But that's just me judging a book by its cover. I wonder if it's an American thing though because that super happy excited hyper energy thing seems to be a common advertising tactic over there, for me it mostly just raises my suspicions of a person/company
   
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 jreilly89 wrote:
I'm disinclined to say there's another side to this story. Tenebre put up his pictures and video evidence of the models and the correspondence, I can think of at least one other thread with similar pictures, correspondence, etc., and I know if I tried I could find more negative reviews of BTP. I'm not saying the guy hasn't made some people happy, but the price to quality ratio is way out of whack.


Saying there is not another side means no one is ever right or wrong, and the world is just a series of random events we react to.

People should not rush to judgement against Shawn. He and the rest of the artists at Blue Table Painting most definitely deserve the opportunity to weigh in on the matter.

I speculated in previous threads about the likelihood tenebre never understood Shawn as a legitimate visionary reinventing how we think about miniatures and beauty. The initial shock over encountering the avant garde is something tenebre never got over, and Shawn choosing to settle could be considered the desperate act of a creator seeking an end to the harassment. His actions in avoiding officers of the court is in line with those of other free thinkers who found themselves on the wrong side of some issue for the sake of something greater.

The fact Blue Table Painting runs Patreons and shares videos of their latest work would seem to justify this take on events.

Since I started investigating this affair, the gallery on this forum has become a subject of great interest. It helps me to understand the growth of the influence the table blue les fauves style beyond what the Blue Table Painting team is able to produce. Every day, I see examples of more and more painters grappling with the challenges this new style poses, such as these:

* Space Marine Captain

* Space Marine Chaplain

* Amazing Conversion

* Frightening Ogres!

* Eldar Warrior with Textured Armor

The painters who embrace this style dare to explore the boundaries of taste and quality instead of slavishly devoting themselves to outmoded concepts pushed by the uninspired hacks at GW (looking at you, Duncan.) While none of them quite reach the level of the work of Blue Table Painting, I often look at a model and ask myself "could BTP really have done better?" The differences between BTP's work and examples like these is often hard to spot.

The fact Blue Table Painting is able to influence a community this way - by expanding personal / creative boundaries to reject styles that are merely satisfying - puts them in an echelon where you really can't judge the acts of the leader of the movement. Just trying to presumes you know where this path takes us, when the reality is only people like Shawn can see it

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 djones520 wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.



Pretty much.

They have a lot of loyal customers. This will certainly hurt their business, no doubt. Generating new customers will definitely face hurdles now. I have a friend whose given them probably close to $20,000 over the years though, and plans on continuing to use their services.

This is a black eye for Shawn, I definitely agree with that. As we all know though, there are three sides to a story, and we only know one of them. I'm not at all discounting the guy, to me, it seems he was done dirty, but starting internet crusades when you don't know everything is never good business, and I doubt we'll see Dakka as an official entity, get behind it.


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 Rolsheen wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:


A second action would be to call for a public boycott of Valhalla. It's an event organized by BTP that is enjoyed by some serious gamers, but it comes at the expense of people like tenebre. Perhaps we go forward with a public awareness campaign to alert people about the relationship between the event and the actions of it's host. While this may not impact who attends, it may affect who publicizes their attendance.



I thought Wargamergirl organised and hosted Valhalla this year


That she did.


Yeah you might be right (and that is a long shot) if this was an isolated incident. There have been countless horror stories from BTP in recent memory that fit the same narrative, shawn screws over X by not providing what he promised or gives a low quality product.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.

I'm pretty sure in the end the buddy chose not to use them.


Wrong.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback.

He sent the models off to BTP. Will keep everyone updated on how this turns out.

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 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Probably the best thing Dakka could do is put up an unbiased "post your reviews of BTP here" thread, but that may not have the negative effect you expect it to have because there's still plenty of happy BTP fans and customers out there.


This thread itself is a good example of that. OP asks about Blue Table for a buddy, is warned against them, buddy still uses them.

I'm pretty sure in the end the buddy chose not to use them.


Wrong.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback.

He sent the models off to BTP. Will keep everyone updated on how this turns out.


I am the OP. The buddy decided not to move forward with BTP.

He originally told me they were sent, but what he meant to say is they are in boxes ready to send.

   
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 techsoldaten wrote:


I am the OP. The buddy decided not to move forward with BTP.

He originally told me they were sent, but what he meant to say is they are in boxes ready to send.


Sorry, I must have missed the post where you updated what I had quoted from you. Glad your buddy decided not to give them his business.

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 techsoldaten wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:
I'm disinclined to say there's another side to this story. Tenebre put up his pictures and video evidence of the models and the correspondence, I can think of at least one other thread with similar pictures, correspondence, etc., and I know if I tried I could find more negative reviews of BTP. I'm not saying the guy hasn't made some people happy, but the price to quality ratio is way out of whack.


Saying there is not another side means no one is ever right or wrong, and the world is just a series of random events we react to.

People should not rush to judgement against Shawn. He and the rest of the artists at Blue Table Painting most definitely deserve the opportunity to weigh in on the matter.

I speculated in previous threads about the likelihood tenebre never understood Shawn as a legitimate visionary reinventing how we think about miniatures and beauty. The initial shock over encountering the avant garde is something tenebre never got over, and Shawn choosing to settle could be considered the desperate act of a creator seeking an end to the harassment. His actions in avoiding officers of the court is in line with those of other free thinkers who found themselves on the wrong side of some issue for the sake of something greater.

The fact Blue Table Painting runs Patreons and shares videos of their latest work would seem to justify this take on events.

Since I started investigating this affair, the gallery on this forum has become a subject of great interest. It helps me to understand the growth of the influence the table blue les fauves style beyond what the Blue Table Painting team is able to produce. Every day, I see examples of more and more painters grappling with the challenges this new style poses, such as these:

* Space Marine Captain

* Space Marine Chaplain

* Amazing Conversion

* Frightening Ogres!

* Eldar Warrior with Textured Armor

The painters who embrace this style dare to explore the boundaries of taste and quality instead of slavishly devoting themselves to outmoded concepts pushed by the uninspired hacks at GW (looking at you, Duncan.) While none of them quite reach the level of the work of Blue Table Painting, I often look at a model and ask myself "could BTP really have done better?" The differences between BTP's work and examples like these is often hard to spot.

The fact Blue Table Painting is able to influence a community this way - by expanding personal / creative boundaries to reject styles that are merely satisfying - puts them in an echelon where you really can't judge the acts of the leader of the movement. Just trying to presumes you know where this path takes us, when the reality is only people like Shawn can see it



Wow, kinda gakky to post images of members work to not-so-slyly make fun of them.

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Wow, kinda gakky to post images of members work to not-so-slyly make fun of them.


Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

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 techsoldaten wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:
I'm disinclined to say there's another side to this story. Tenebre put up his pictures and video evidence of the models and the correspondence, I can think of at least one other thread with similar pictures, correspondence, etc., and I know if I tried I could find more negative reviews of BTP. I'm not saying the guy hasn't made some people happy, but the price to quality ratio is way out of whack.


Saying there is not another side means no one is ever right or wrong, and the world is just a series of random events we react to.

People should not rush to judgement against Shawn. He and the rest of the artists at Blue Table Painting most definitely deserve the opportunity to weigh in on the matter.

I speculated in previous threads about the likelihood tenebre never understood Shawn as a legitimate visionary reinventing how we think about miniatures and beauty. The initial shock over encountering the avant garde is something tenebre never got over, and Shawn choosing to settle could be considered the desperate act of a creator seeking an end to the harassment. His actions in avoiding officers of the court is in line with those of other free thinkers who found themselves on the wrong side of some issue for the sake of something greater.

The fact Blue Table Painting runs Patreons and shares videos of their latest work would seem to justify this take on events.

Since I started investigating this affair, the gallery on this forum has become a subject of great interest. It helps me to understand the growth of the influence the table blue les fauves style beyond what the Blue Table Painting team is able to produce. Every day, I see examples of more and more painters grappling with the challenges this new style poses, such as these:

* Space Marine Captain

* Space Marine Chaplain

* Amazing Conversion

* Frightening Ogres!

* Eldar Warrior with Textured Armor

The painters who embrace this style dare to explore the boundaries of taste and quality instead of slavishly devoting themselves to outmoded concepts pushed by the uninspired hacks at GW (looking at you, Duncan.) While none of them quite reach the level of the work of Blue Table Painting, I often look at a model and ask myself "could BTP really have done better?" The differences between BTP's work and examples like these is often hard to spot.

The fact Blue Table Painting is able to influence a community this way - by expanding personal / creative boundaries to reject styles that are merely satisfying - puts them in an echelon where you really can't judge the acts of the leader of the movement. Just trying to presumes you know where this path takes us, when the reality is only people like Shawn can see it


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 techsoldaten wrote:
 jreilly89 wrote:
I'm disinclined to say there's another side to this story. Tenebre put up his pictures and video evidence of the models and the correspondence, I can think of at least one other thread with similar pictures, correspondence, etc., and I know if I tried I could find more negative reviews of BTP. I'm not saying the guy hasn't made some people happy, but the price to quality ratio is way out of whack.


Saying there is not another side means no one is ever right or wrong, and the world is just a series of random events we react to.

People should not rush to judgement against Shawn. He and the rest of the artists at Blue Table Painting most definitely deserve the opportunity to weigh in on the matter.

I speculated in previous threads about the likelihood tenebre never understood Shawn as a legitimate visionary reinventing how we think about miniatures and beauty. The initial shock over encountering the avant garde is something tenebre never got over, and Shawn choosing to settle could be considered the desperate act of a creator seeking an end to the harassment. His actions in avoiding officers of the court is in line with those of other free thinkers who found themselves on the wrong side of some issue for the sake of something greater.

The fact Blue Table Painting runs Patreons and shares videos of their latest work would seem to justify this take on events.

Since I started investigating this affair, the gallery on this forum has become a subject of great interest. It helps me to understand the growth of the influence the table blue les fauves style beyond what the Blue Table Painting team is able to produce. Every day, I see examples of more and more painters grappling with the challenges this new style poses, such as these:

* Space Marine Captain

* Space Marine Chaplain

* Amazing Conversion

* Frightening Ogres!

* Eldar Warrior with Textured Armor

The painters who embrace this style dare to explore the boundaries of taste and quality instead of slavishly devoting themselves to outmoded concepts pushed by the uninspired hacks at GW (looking at you, Duncan.) While none of them quite reach the level of the work of Blue Table Painting, I often look at a model and ask myself "could BTP really have done better?" The differences between BTP's work and examples like these is often hard to spot.

The fact Blue Table Painting is able to influence a community this way - by expanding personal / creative boundaries to reject styles that are merely satisfying - puts them in an echelon where you really can't judge the acts of the leader of the movement. Just trying to presumes you know where this path takes us, when the reality is only people like Shawn can see it
A major difference - those folks are painting for themselves - not charging money to ignore the instructions that the customer had given them.

Calling out these people, to show their weaknesses, is not kosher, even if it was intended as a dig at BTP.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Wow, that conversion looked HORRIBLE!! Would not pay for that!! Concept? Ok. Execution? Garbage.


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 djones520 wrote:
 SlaveToDorkness wrote:



Wow, kinda gakky to post images of members work to not-so-slyly make fun of them.


Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.


You are not - do NOT post things like this going forward, as they really are against RULE #1 here.

   
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 TheAuldGrump wrote:
I no longer have the Minifig Prussians that were my first efforts at miniatures painting - but I am pretty sure that they were not excellent examples of skillfully used techniques. For that matter, the sculpts themselves were not so great (lead, and sold by the bag), miniature sculpting has come a long way. And I was eleven years old when I painted them

The Auld Grump

We all start as 0 level painters. I still have a Grenadier Miniatures Goblin that I painted as a kid. One of my first painting attempts. Here it is, under spoiler, next to a more recent paint job.
Spoiler:

I may have improved a wee bit.


It takes a bit of courage for someone who is still developing their skills to post their work. I, for one, respect and admire those who do post their work. Help them improve by making constructive suggestions.

At one point this fellow Shawn was going to sell the business?

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At one point this fellow Shawn was going to sell the business?


Probably wanted something ridiculous like a hundred grand.

Didn't Shawn list a Patreon award of $10,000 for a few days of painting lessons and guided tours round BTP?
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
At one point this fellow Shawn was going to sell the business?


Probably wanted something ridiculous like a hundred grand.

Didn't Shawn list a Patreon award of $10,000 for a few days of painting lessons and guided tours round BTP?
A million, billion, trillion dollars!

I wouldn't give him a plugged nickel.

The Auld Grump - old enough to know what a plugged nickel is....

Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.

The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
 
   
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I thought BTP was up for sale for some crazy price.

I do what the voices in my wifes head say...
 
   
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BTP was up for sale at one point. The problem is that BTP really has no assets other than labor and some rented space they used as a paint studio (term used loosely). There was nothing of value other than the name and their name wasn't worth anything, much less anywhere near their asking price.


 
   
 
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