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 auticus wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Kirby is no longer relevant. What he said when he said the jewels of abject wonder or whatever malarkey is attributed was pertinent when he said that and if he was still making those decisions.

He is not any longer.

Auticus. Kirby IS still relevant, since he's still in the board and is actually coordinating its actions.

Thats not what I have heard. Which brings up another great point - none of us know wtf is going on in the Ivory Tower. But trying to keep attaching that moron's words from years ago to today is a bit disingenuous in my opinion. When he said it a few years ago, absolutely! Today? Not so much.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=643872&privcapId=28819

https://investor.games-workshop.com/the-board-of-directors/

He IS the non-executive chairman. And considering his job's profile usually includes evaluating and "advising" about board (and sometimes determining whether or not someone is good for the charge or not) he still has a say in it, albeit an indirect one.

Sure, but GW's past year has been actively doing things that Kirby directly opposed, so I'd say his indirect advising is either being ignored, or he has realized that he is a moron and has changed his tune.

 auticus wrote:
Sure, but GW's past year has been actively doing things that Kirby directly opposed, so I'd say his indirect advising is either being ignored, or he has realized that he is a moron and has changed his tune.

To my understanding there were rumors that Rountree was trying (and did) to hold meetings without him. Which speaks volumes of the Kirby.

I feel it too.. this could be in the "is games workshop doing better" thread..

But it seemed like at the end that Kirby was trying to do everything possible to kill the company..
With that.. breaking up the magazine in to two different ones when other publishers are cutting back
on the print side of their operations..Then when everyone stopped buying them, having to retreat back.

You look at AoS with the destroyed world is similar what TSR did to Greyhawk the original Dungeons and Dragons
world and did a series called "after the ashes"...or something like that.. the game tanked and we rarely hear
about the world anymore..
Then look at 4th edition D&D.. there is nothing wrong with it .. solid simple system.. just like AoS.. but it
broke up the community causing a rift that is finally closing with the new 5th edition giving what EVERYONE want.
I don't think Games Workshop will backpedal, but if a game is released towards previous fans that loved it
there is a problem when droves walk away from it.. you want new and old to buy your product..so get it right
the first time.. Even with the release of the Generals handbook.. it is more of a missed opportunity because
that book should have been with the original release.
Even Games Workshop has went down this path before.. Epic was one of the Flagship brands and was
the top three of their games.. It was 40k, Warhammer and Epic.. Then GW had the bright idea of a new
edition they released all new models off scale, new base types and over simplified rules..sounds familiar?
It killed the game and it was dropped..I guess we could be happy we still see AoS on the shelves because
they could have just dropped it..
But with the End Times it made everyone excited about the game again and felt is was a kick in the bad
area of your pants when it ended with nothing. then replaced with an incomplete game..

But we saw the same with the new Ghostbusters; where it was mishandled by management and almost
killed the franchise.. and warhammer / AoS is a franchise.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 auticus wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Kirby is no longer relevant. What he said when he said the jewels of abject wonder or whatever malarkey is attributed was pertinent when he said that and if he was still making those decisions.

He is not any longer.

Auticus. Kirby IS still relevant, since he's still in the board and is actually coordinating its actions.

Thats not what I have heard. Which brings up another great point - none of us know wtf is going on in the Ivory Tower. But trying to keep attaching that moron's words from years ago to today is a bit disingenuous in my opinion. When he said it a few years ago, absolutely! Today? Not so much.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=643872&privcapId=28819

https://investor.games-workshop.com/the-board-of-directors/

He IS the non-executive chairman. And considering his job's profile usually includes evaluating and "advising" about board (and sometimes determining whether or not someone is good for the charge or not) he still has a say in it, albeit an indirect one.

"non-executive chairman,"

Just gonna point out really quickly that the "Non-Executive Chairman" position in a company is wahts know as being promoted out of a job. Basically he is in a powerless position in the company and the only reason he is there is because they could not fire him. They basically just tucked him into a corner and he has no real say.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 auticus wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Kirby is no longer relevant. What he said when he said the jewels of abject wonder or whatever malarkey is attributed was pertinent when he said that and if he was still making those decisions.

He is not any longer.

Auticus. Kirby IS still relevant, since he's still in the board and is actually coordinating its actions.

Thats not what I have heard. Which brings up another great point - none of us know wtf is going on in the Ivory Tower. But trying to keep attaching that moron's words from years ago to today is a bit disingenuous in my opinion. When he said it a few years ago, absolutely! Today? Not so much.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=643872&privcapId=28819

https://investor.games-workshop.com/the-board-of-directors/

He IS the non-executive chairman. And considering his job's profile usually includes evaluating and "advising" about board (and sometimes determining whether or not someone is good for the charge or not) he still has a say in it, albeit an indirect one.

"non-executive chairman,"

Just gonna point out really quickly that the "Non-Executive Chairman" position in a company is wahts know as being promoted out of a job. Basically he is in a powerless position in the company and the only reason he is there is because they could not fire him. They basically just tucked him into a corner and he has no real say.

In my experience it has a bit of variety. Yeah, it's more or less that but not always and in not the same intensity. Plus the guy is still a rather relevant shareholder of the company who's more than likely placed 95% of the directive board. Rountree still needs to do a cleanup to get over all the gak the guy has thrown.