Confrontation: Resurrection-Skirimsh and board game confirmed.

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**Rakoun**

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**.Mikes.**

Well they said this was a 'weekly' thing, so maybe we'll have chance to ask next week.

**grefven**

I don't see this gaining any momentum at all if they keep insisting to only cater to the french community. They need to get someone who knows English. It's not that difficult in 2017.

**.Mikes.**

After a bit of a lull the facebook page has had some actviity int he last few months, including a competition to win some of the original Confrontation studio miniatures, and now an instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/confminiatures/.

I remain cautiously excited.

**.Mikes.**

The first image:

"Thousands of confrontation concepts to study

**youwashock**

Eyebrows up. Perhaps it is time.

**Riquende**

As far as I can make out, the folders from left to right are: Goblins, 'Tree-spirit?', Daikinee, Cadwallon, Concord of the Eagle, Devourers, Acheron, Drunes, Mid-Nor, Tir-Na-Bor, Cynwall, Sessairs, Griffons, Lions

Assuming Tree-spirit is Orcs then that leaves Wolfen and Dirz not there. And Ophidians.

Oh, and Akkyshan, not that they were ever any models. And the Utopia of the Sphinx, same.

Is it just me or did Confrontation have far too many factions at the end?

**.Mikes.**

You think they'd want to capitalise on the existing player base, so if I were to guess I'd say all the original factions would be included, but maybe some are rolled together. The Dainenee and Wolfen were closely aligned, so maybe they begind\ in one faction, then split up later when the game has expanded? Just a thought. but yeah, loadsa factions.

**Alpharius**

No Dirz would be...ridiculous!!!

**His Master's Voice**

Abandoning the most visually distinct part of the IP would indeed be ridiculous. Dirz, Mid-Nor and Wolfen were what distinguished Confrontation from Generic Fantasy Setting Number Seventeen.

**silent25**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Abandoning the most visually distinct part of the IP would indeed be ridiculous. Dirz, Mid-Nor and Wolfen were what distinguished Confrontation from Generic Fantasy Setting Number Seventeen.

Sadly I can see Wolfen be left out because of Wrath of Kings, but Driz and Mid-Nor don't really have equivalents across CMON's other lines. Mid-Nor was one of my favorite lines and the Abyssal Court remains one of those grail miniature sets I would love to find and own.

**Alpharius**

Same here!

Mid-Nor and absolutely DIRZ!

I did love the Devourers too.

And the Dwarves. Especially the Bronze stuff...

And...

**AndrewGPaul**

I didn't pick them up at the time, but I wish I'd grabbed the goblin pirates clan box and the undead king on his throne.

And some of the plastic mounted Griffin Templars, but that's perhaps a little off-topic for this thread.

**.Mikes.**

That shelf *is* full. Nothing to say there isn't another somewhere esle for overflow.

**Alpharius**

Yes, of course, but still quite odd to leave DIRZ out of the first pic...

**.Mikes.**

silent25 wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
Abandoning the most visually distinct part of the IP would indeed be ridiculous. Dirz, Mid-Nor and Wolfen were what distinguished Confrontation from Generic Fantasy Setting Number Seventeen.

Sadly I can see Wolfen be left out because of Wrath of Kings

Given the Wolfen are front and centre on their promotional image, it could just be the folder was elsewhere.

They're also running some polls on their FB page at the moment asking which characters people would like to see in the new version. The current rounds are Lions and Acheron, but they ran with this image, which I think ticks off all the previous factions:

**silent25**

.Mikes. wrote:
silent25 wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
Abandoning the most visually distinct part of the IP would indeed be ridiculous. Dirz, Mid-Nor and Wolfen were what distinguished Confrontation from Generic Fantasy Setting Number Seventeen.

Sadly I can see Wolfen be left out because of Wrath of Kings

Given the Wolfen are front and centre on their promotional image, it could just be the folder was elsewhere.

Spoiler:

They're also running some polls on their FB page at the moment asking which characters people would like to see in the new version. The current rounds are Lions and Acheron, but they ran with this image, which I think ticks off all the previous factions:

Spoiler:

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That's good. Now just worried about prices and availability.

*edit*
And material!

**.Mikes.**

Ditto. I'm hoping they plan to capitalise on the unique situation of having a fanbase ready to go.

Anyhoo, I saw they also post the above image on the FB page, and they confirmed the Dirz and Mid-Nor folders existed, so that's good news.

I now need to paint all these Griffin models I have so when they release the rules I can get some games going.

**Alpharius**

Scorpion sighting!

*whew!*

**.Mikes.**

This week poll chopice for characters is for the Wolfen and the Devourers.

**plastictrees**

Is there any indication that anything is actually moving towards a release of a game here?
We've known their are piles of concept art for years, and seen the reuse of iconography and vague polls before.
Has anyone seen or heard anything to suggest that something is actually going to happen any time soon.

**Alpharius**

And can someone remind me again why this group is able to make these games/thinks they are able to make these games?

**.Mikes.**

plastictrees wrote:
Is there any indication that anything is actually moving towards a release of a game here?
We've known their are piles of concept art for years, and seen the reuse of iconography and vague polls before.
Has anyone seen or heard anything to suggest that something is actually going to happen any time soon.

Someone else found their pitch for funding (which I think I linked earlier), but other than that they ahve the IP and access to people who worked on earlier confrontation there's no guarantee this will see fruition. But that could also be said of any mini's project.

However, they're an established company with a good rep for solid RPGs and ahve been steadily, if at long intervals, releasing info. If they didn't have the will and the means I don't see a company risking reputation on a dead project.

I am an optimist, however, so take that as you will.

**thekingofkings**

I so hope this happens, I love every version of Confrontation even the plastics!

**AndrewGPaul**

Alpharius wrote:
And can someone remind me again why this group is able to make these games/thinks they are able to make these games?

The folder labels being in French suggests they've got some of the original design team involved, so it's not just CMON doing this. Still, I'm not holding my breath. The last time CMON tried to relaunch Confrontation, we got half a dozen miniatures on limited release with the prices jacked sky-high as "collectors" pieces. That didn't leave me with any warm feelings towards them

**Theophony**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
And can someone remind me again why this group is able to make these games/thinks they are able to make these games?

The folder labels being in French suggests they've got some of the original design team involved, so it's not just CMON doing this. Still, I'm not holding my breath. The last time CMON tried to relaunch Confrontation, we got half a dozen miniatures on limited release with the prices jacked sky-high as "collectors" pieces. That didn't leave me with any warm feelings towards them

Well they have those on their Christmas close out sale right now.
https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=Confrontation&x=0&y=0&cat=

**bubber**

Theophony wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
And can someone remind me again why this group is able to make these games/thinks they are able to make these games?

The folder labels being in French suggests they've got some of the original design team involved, so it's not just CMON doing this. Still, I'm not holding my breath. The last time CMON tried to relaunch Confrontation, we got half a dozen miniatures on limited release with the prices jacked sky-high as "collectors" pieces. That didn't leave me with any warm feelings towards them

Well they have those on their Christmas close out sale right now.
https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=Confrontation&x=0&y=0&cat=

Thanks - you just made me spend $67 inc P&P on the Titan Dragon!

**Mr Morden**

I first bought into Confrontation because of the Devourers - never seen anything like them in 28mm - loved their rules and the models.

Yeah these are giant Wolves, yep that's full plate armour, yep that's a giant bow.

Still use them occasionally in other games.

Bought Wrath of Kings because it had "not Devourers".

Looking forward to seeing what comes up here.

**.Mikes.**

I found this thread on a French Confrontation forum. It's pretty interesting, and seems some of the posters are closer to the cmmunity and San Detours then in the English speaking communities, and also a member of SD posting directly. I've been going through it with the help of my poor French and Google Translate and have found a few titbits I think I missed before.

This is from March and was a release directed from SD to various established Confrontation communities ot answer expected FAQs Pasted form Translate, so the bad translation is Google's fault, not mine):

- SD holds all the rights on Confrontation and the associated brands, except for the video rights.

- Then three things: a part of the old range will be available as "Confrontation Classic", a game of skirmish Confrontation Resurrection with a more modern mechanics will see the day and board games accessible / all public also (with figurines compatible with the skirmish game.)

- More info in a few months, with releases early next year.

- The classic and resurrection figs should be resin and figs plastic board games. Both usable in "cross-over".

- No prepainted. Especially because it's not the demand of the community.

- The goal is to spread the game worldwide. For now the release is French and English but Italian, German and Spanish are being negotiated!

- Next show where it will be possible to meet the team: Trolls & Legends in April. Loïc and Olivier will be present.

- We begin to attack the interesting points. Crowdfunding is not an "obligation" at all. They have the experience and it is likely that it is used for some products but really not for all. We immediately think of the classic range that will highlight the sculptures dear to the heart of the community. It is a tool with its advantages and its faults. It would be foolish to deprive ourselves of it as it would be foolish to swear by crownfunding.

- First information on the game system, there will be no resolution table, more adapted to modern mechanics.

- Two things that are not exclusive: He wants to offer players the opportunity to play with their old figures in the new set of rules by proposing a backward compatibility. Or at least, to allow players to play with the new figures in the set of rules that they like the most.

- The base will not be "important" ... just a support for the fig ... we had already heard that, I still do not know what it means in the facts.

- Confrontation Resurrection will have its own range of textured pedestals. [u] One can expect visuals very quickly !!! [/ u]

- Confrontation classic will not be just unique draws to the Legacy but a whole range!

- The board games are more casual (simple and dynamic), a gateway to the skirmish.

And this followed with:

- More info in a few months, with releases early next year .

- The classic and resurrection figs should be resin and figs plastic board games.

- No prepainted. Especially because it's not the demand of the community.

- The goal is to spread the game worldwide. For now the release is French and English ...

- Next show where it will be possible to meet the team: Trolls & Legends in April. Loïc and Olivier will be present.

- The crowdfunding is not at all "an obligation" ...

- First information on the game system, there will be no resolution table, more adapted to modern mechanics.

- Confrontation classic will not be just unique draws to the Legacy but a whole range!

Someone spoke to Loic Muxy (I believe he works at SD) at a Confrontation event in France and asked some questions and got the following answers:

- Exit the metal, the choice of the plastic seems to have been recorded. (which, considering the quality of some current plastic ranges does not seem to be a problem)

- A double rule system: the new one, for which the cards of ALL the old figs will be updated - because they will be well all playable. And a conversion of new figs into cards 3.5 wanted by Loïc as a bonus

- We'll be on skirmish, and only skirmish. The Ragnarok is over, it has taken place, it is the brothel everywhere; the world is in ruins and the great nations are crumbling or have fallen (The lion is worried to be done - especially since it is one of the only armies that Loïc did not collect ...) Result: small commitments because no one has the power to engage in major battles.

- A recomposition of the factions: all will still be present but some will be gathered, some will know a schism (Wolfen, Griffon, Dirz), some will change fundamentally (Destiny will suffer - Goblins have all fled beyond the oceans?) . But as all the old figs will remain playable, no straight cut as in V4,

- A role play envisaged ??? "It already exists, it is Cadwallon" ... RAssurez you, Loïc bursts of laughter, he does not like more the game as it was proposed that me. In short, it kicks in touch, but it seems far from unlikely to see a Game Follow if the game works.

The poster noted Muzy was passionate and animated, and showed a deep knowledge fo Confrontation.

The points about some factions suffering a schism piqued my interest there.

This was posted from another source:

- They will produce a big part of the old figurines (range metal) .The range will be called Classic Confrontation and will not be accompanied by any system of games, you will have the right to take the one that you want (Conf 3.5, 2, 1, Fédé, EVO, etc)

- They will produce a new unpublished range, Confrontation Resurrection, with a fluff post Ragnarok, skirmish game, powered by a brand new engine (which one does not know anything) with an update for compatibility of the Classic range with this system

- They will produce new board games (so nothing to do with Hybrid)

- The material for the figures is for the moment not officially stopped, it will certainly be resin or plastic or mixed

- They teased the community to see the returns, for now there will be nothing concrete for a year, in 2017 we will have just a few ads once the choices (materials, rules, schedule) will be stopped

- They want to play hard with the community so sensitive to the returns on the confederation

Automatically Appended Next Post:
From another post (in April):

I had the opportunity to speak with the team at the troll and legends festival.
To summarize, all the armies will be present, but with a lot of upheavals. New armies will be there too, like the sphinxes and the akkyshans. They have undisclosed artworks to date. The game will take time before going out because everything is under construction. If I remember correctly, not before 1 year ... 18 months.
Everything that has been officially done level background, will not be removed even with regard to CADR.They want continuity and not questioning what has been done before. So I rested my question ... and the mid nor the drunes .... they will be present ... differently but present.
The figures will be plastic, but high quality, will have to be mounted ... as we did with those metal.
There will be the reissue of the old figurines ... except Kyrus.
The figures for the board games will be of identical quality as those for Resurrection.
If I understand correctly, they will sell the figurines in box format and not blister.

They have contacted beautiful people at the level of artists, and we already have some names of course.
From what I understand, everything will be turned upside down after the Rag'narok. So we must expect everything .... And the wolfen artwork shows it well.
As for cadwallon.com ... he contacted them explaining that he had no rights to the license ....

So no worries the machine is running, will just have to be patient. I made it clear that we would like to have news from time to time. I did not have secret info, because I think they do not prefer to announce something that is not yet built, and which can be changed.

"As for cadwallon.com ... he contacted them explaining that he had no rights to the license ..." Yeah, good luck with that. Although someone contacted SD drectly and posted this on the subject:

The case of Cadwallon.com however remains more complicated, since it is clearly a major encroachment on the Confrontation license they bought back. He was asked to be careful & discreet about it, that's why I preferred to suspend sine die, all work in progress & future based on their work. The profiles already created in the months / years preceding the redemption of the license are not concerned & do not pose any problem, even if we can try to replace them with figs of other ranges if the opportunity arises.
Note that SD is in contact with Cadwallon.com. Depending on their discussions, SD positions may or may not evolve in a positive direction or not.

But 1 year to 18 month dev and release ccyle puts it to early int he new year to mid 2018, barring blowouts.

From the person who spoke to Muzy: "I add that Loïc's first mission will be to give life to the Akkyshans, he told me. And they got a good half of Rackham's projected Artworks - and Loïc was very happy to see it fit in with what they already had in mind."

So it sounds like we're losing ninja Goblins, but picking up S&M Elves.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
From October, someone noted in an interview on the Revo facebook page:

"What I can already announce to you is that we have planned to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Confrontation!"

Ah, aaaaah, an event in February 2018 ?????

Also there was talk in July of some prominent players from Belgium being approached to take part in a beta test, but nothing firm,

(And yes, in case you're wondering, it is a slow day for me

)

From November:

Some information gleaned today on the booth of Sans Détour at the show fantasy:
- A starter box is scheduled for the first quarter of 2018
- The box will contain a priori figs for 4 factions
- The factions of the game will be different from those currently existing
- Pack of cards to play the conf existing figs out then, and the book of the complete rules
- Ophidians would be provided in the first releases of the new range
- The figs will be made in Poland and the molds will be renewed every 30 prints to guarantee quality
- Possibly a beta phase "subscribe to the newsletter without detour to be informed"
- A JDR in the universe of conf is in preparation, more focused jdr and less fig than it was cadwallon
- No info on the price or the passage in crowdfunding or not

And that bring us up to the present day. Don't say I don't do anything for you guys.

**Monkeysloth**

Hope we don't loose the Asian Goblins as the Goblins were my favorite line.

Also hope something comes of the Cawallon.com stuff, their existence pretty much kills any reason for SD do to classic. Coming to some licensing agreement would be a great way to handle it as you're never going to get them to go away.

Also sad to hear they don't have any plans for the RPG. It's a great system but really, really poorly written. They re-wrote it in French but we never got the English translation. Maybe if the skirmish game got popular enough they'd be willing to license it out to a 3rd party.

Also I hope they give their English Translators more time. One of theirs used to hang out on a forum I use to visit and the deadlines where crazy short, like 2 days for a whole book.