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Expensive for over 20 year old models that are outdated.

I would have and still might, but I sold off my sisters because I got fed up with the waiting.

At this point I think we may see a full range of plastic Sisters of Silence before Sisters of Battle get anything else.

SoS are now a distinct faction in 40K plus they have crossover to HH. I just saw the ofthe new FW vehicle for SoS.

I am nonplussed by GW''s seeming to go out of their way to do anything rather than a full re-release in plastic.

They re-did Dark Eldar...who at the time were quite rarely played (and have since given them a few more plastics and a couple of supplements )

They pulled GSC out of the vault of antiquity. ..seemingly trusting the 'I would play GSC if GW re-did them' folks

I have played and loved both those armies but consider them something of a risk.

Stuff like Harlies and DW I understand. ..but evenue so...

It's as if there is a prophesy scrawled in a basement at GW headquarters telling of terrible consequences should a full line of SOB ever be released.

Perhaps Old GW saw them in the same way it saw Slaanesh. Not quite sure how or wha to do with either of them.

I hope that Celestine''s appearance can be taken as a positive sign but with GW adding a *fourth* faction of Eldar, the possibility that GW will spend the next couple of years converting the existing Marine ranges to Primaris scale (while maybe doing plastic Legion of the Damned) I remain sceptical.

It's a pity because I believe they could make an interesting and lovely new range of models.

One problem that I think GW has with the SoB is that while they encapsulate the absolute best and most extreme aesthetic and fluffy qualities of 40k's original dark humour and overall silliness, GW themselves have started to lose their understanding of their own world's irony. Just look at the direction that most of the fluff has gone in over the better part of this past decade. It seems no one in the writing staff is in on the joke anymore.

From the lens of someone looking in from an angle devoid of that crucial humour, the Sisters might come off as being weird and absurd to the point of discomfort. A bunch of power-armoured, crazed BDSM fanatic nuns is something so distinctly 40k that it's lost upon a modern era that's lost sight of 40k's original sense of spirit.

I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

And they could also say no, but change their minds later, too.

But given the sample size, I think this is a fairly accurate representation.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

It's interesting that this kind of skepticism only ever comes out when talking about sisters. No one said things like this in the Numarine poll, which had very comparable numbers. Infact, people seemed convinced that Numarines would sell so well that old marines would die out entirely.

Wonder why that is...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

 Souleater wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

Because they have forgotten about them?
I mean, I can honestly see Celestine's renewal being some designers looking for a cool iconic Imperial figure to throw in the box and someone saying "hey, wasnt there that living saint we did at one point? You know, the one who appeared at times of crisis to save the Imperial forces and was all mysterious and cool?" and then everyone sort of agreeing and deciding to make her, and only the fluff writers remembering that she was actually a SoB character.

 Souleater wrote:


All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I think the problem of Sisters of Battle isn't linked to the risk of re-doing their model line and its cost. GW has taken similar risks with Dark Eldars, Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and even Taus back in the late third eddition. Games-Workshop is a pretty big company it has enough assets and a large enough player base to fail and get back on its feet.

The main problem of Sisters is that there is two ways to present them and, in the future, expand their faction and one big overall design choice to make. The overall design choice is pretty simple, should they make an Ecclesiarchy Army Codex that will contain Sisters of Battle, but also plenty of other choices like Fraters Militia, Penitent Engines, Archo-Flagellant, priests, inquisitors, Deathcult Assassins or should they make a Sister of Battle only Codex.

Once this is decided, how should Sister be presented? Should they be holy warriors with a strong saintly and angelic thematic? This means that Celestine becomes a paragon and other Sisters of Battle are all holy and "perfect", but to a lesser degree. This would mean more Sisters in power armor or artificier armor with angel design and power swords and spear, a fluff that focus more on their excellence, their bravery and their purity, etc. One the other side, should they be presented as religious zealots of a hate cult? This means Celestine becomes, the "presentable" side of the Sisters of Battle who are all hateful zealots, with an uncompromising faith and a repentent theology. This would mean more grim units like Repentia, "darker weapons" like giant chainswords and crazy flamers and flails.

I think that's the core of the issue, GW staff and development team can't agree on how to answer those questions.

Meanwhile we are stuck in the middle.

Well, if the middle is a muddled mess of indecisiveness and neglect...

epronovost wrote:

 Souleater wrote:


All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I think the problem of Sisters of Battle isn't linked to the risk of re-doing their model line and its cost. GW has taken similar risks with Dark Eldars, Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and even Taus back in the late third eddition. Games-Workshop is a pretty big company it has enough assets and a large enough player base to fail and get back on its feet.

The main problem of Sisters is that there is two ways to present them and, in the future, expand their faction and one big overall design choice to make. The overall design choice is pretty simple, should they make an Ecclesiarchy Army Codex that will contain Sisters of Battle, but also plenty of other choices like Fraters Militia, Penitent Engines, Archo-Flagellant, priests, inquisitors, Deathcult Assassins or should they make a Sister of Battle only Codex.

The thing is, though, that Sisters of Battle are NOT any more monolithic than Space Marines. You'll get orders of sisters that are all about guarding pilgrims, other orders that are all about killing heretics. Because the Ecclesiarchy itself isn't monolithic - or even monotheistic, at least in a sense where they have one standard doctrine everywhere - either. There are probably tens of thousands of different ways to worship the Master of Mankind on a million worlds.

The real trick is to jigger the army so that if you want to leave the 'darker' elements out of your SoB list, you can without losing necessary functionality. Which means it needs some redundancy, but that's fine.

Yes, I would buy three squads (Sister, Retributor & Repentia) and a new full plastic Exorcist. You just got to love the idea of a church organ used as a missile launcher. That´s the kind of humour that got me into 40K.

epronovost wrote:

 Souleater wrote:


All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I think the problem of Sisters of Battle isn't linked to the risk of re-doing their model line and its cost. GW has taken similar risks with Dark Eldars, Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and even Taus back in the late third eddition. Games-Workshop is a pretty big company it has enough assets and a large enough player base to fail and get back on its feet.

The main problem of Sisters is that there is two ways to present them and, in the future, expand their faction and one big overall design choice to make. The overall design choice is pretty simple, should they make an Ecclesiarchy Army Codex that will contain Sisters of Battle, but also plenty of other choices like Fraters Militia, Penitent Engines, Archo-Flagellant, priests, inquisitors, Deathcult Assassins or should they make a Sister of Battle only Codex.

Once this is decided, how should Sister be presented? Should they be holy warriors with a strong saintly and angelic thematic? This means that Celestine becomes a paragon and other Sisters of Battle are all holy and "perfect", but to a lesser degree. This would mean more Sisters in power armor or artificier armor with angel design and power swords and spear, a fluff that focus more on their excellence, their bravery and their purity, etc. One the other side, should they be presented as religious zealots of a hate cult? This means Celestine becomes, the "presentable" side of the Sisters of Battle who are all hateful zealots, with an uncompromising faith and a repentent theology. This would mean more grim units like Repentia, "darker weapons" like giant chainswords and crazy flamers and flails.

I think that's the core of the issue, GW staff and development team can't agree on how to answer those questions.

We can be both. We're both the purest of the pure, holy warriors blessed by the Emperor, and we're zealots of a cult of hate with a fixation on martyrdom. They're synonymous in 40k.

With the Imperium as it is, one begets the other.

Me, I like my Sisters to be paladins of the faith, as well-- holy knights with powered armor, chainswords, and boltguns. But the faith demands retribution.

What model line actively represents the grim darkness of the 41st millennium more than the sisters range?

If you look at most armies you can't really see it. Sure space marines undergo horrendous training and surgeries and the dreadnaught is a walking coffin- but you do t see these in the models. It's just guys in power armour as with most armies.

The sisters "outdated model" capture the essence of imperial 40k better than most new models today imo because these models are 20 years old.

Look at the Psyker from the witch hunter inquisitors box. Today it's cool to be a psykers but it takes the inquisition and ecclesiarchy to remind us that to be born a psykers is to be born a crime. This poor bugger is chained up, his existence reduced to nothing more than foaming at the mouth and serving as a psychic lightening rod and you see that in the model. Just think, Tigurius or Mephiston could easily have been reduced to this guy if not snatched up by the astartes.

Arco flaggelants have had their arms ripped off and replaced unartistically with weapons and reduced to war hounds.

Poor buggers in the penitent engines have tubes and what have you crammed into their skulls and body and injected with crazy juice, forced to relive their crimes. Walking along the penitent engine storage corridor at night isn't nice and quiet like a dreadnaught store. It's filled with screams and insanity.

Guy on the back of the exorcist, body torn apart to be nothing more than a loading arm? That used to be Jimmy.

Life is cheap in the imperium and the consequence for disobedience and heresy is always on display.

Outdated models? Maybe. But they are one of the last few vestiges of old 40k. In my humble opinion...

 Melissia wrote:
With the Imperium as it is, one begets the other.

Me, I like my Sisters to be paladins of the faith, as well-- holy knights with powered armor, chainswords, and boltguns. But the faith demands retribution.

I personally like the idea of sisters as sort of a mirrored reflection of khornate cultists. They throw themselves forward with abandon and don't stop, tire, or fear until either they or the enemy is dead. A group of sisters descending onto your ranks should feel pretty similar to a group of Khorne Berserkers attacking only with flamers and meltas instead of chainaxes.

ERJAK wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

It's interesting that this kind of skepticism only ever comes out when talking about sisters. No one said things like this in the Numarine poll, which had very comparable numbers. Infact, people seemed convinced that Numarines would sell so well that old marines would die out entirely.

Wonder why that is...

Where was the "would you buy NuMarines" poll? I must have missed it, feel free to point me in that direction and I'll be happy to post the same thing there if the results seem equally unrealistic.

Though I would say as a proportion I could believe more people who be likely to buy NuMarines than Sisters because a huge swathe of the community already collects Space Marines of some variety.

But either way my post wasn't about Sisters specifically, it was about people having an overinflated idea of what they'd actually buy versus what they do actually buy when it's released.

Souleater wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I don't know how any of that has anything to do with what I said. I just reckon no where near 71% of the community is going to buy plastic sisters.

I made no comment on whether I thought GW would make money off Sisters or whether they'd do as well or better or worse than all those other things you mentioned.

The only thing I will say about Sister's financial success, there was a time when Sisters were new and fresh and priced similar to other GW products, it may be so long ago other people here don't remember it, but I can only imagine they didn't do tremendously well back then otherwise GW would have put more effort in to releasing plastics for them. That's not to say they wouldn't be popular now and wouldn't be popular with plastics, but I think maaaaaybe part of the reason Sisters haven't had an update is they didn't sell well back in the dark days of 2nd/3rd edition when they first came out.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

It's interesting that this kind of skepticism only ever comes out when talking about sisters. No one said things like this in the Numarine poll, which had very comparable numbers. Infact, people seemed convinced that Numarines would sell so well that old marines would die out entirely.

Wonder why that is...

Where was the "would you buy NuMarines" poll? I must have missed it, feel free to point me in that direction and I'll be happy to post the same thing there if the results seem equally unrealistic.

Though I would say as a proportion I could believe more people who be likely to buy NuMarines than Sisters because a huge swathe of the community already collects Space Marines of some variety.

But either way my post wasn't about Sisters specifically, it was about people having an overinflated idea of what they'd actually buy versus what they do actually buy when it's released.

Souleater wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I don't know how any of that has anything to do with what I said. I just reckon no where near 71% of the community is going to buy plastic sisters.

I made no comment on whether I thought GW would make money off Sisters or whether they'd do as well or better or worse than all those other things you mentioned.

The only thing I will say about Sister's financial success, there was a time when Sisters were new and fresh and priced similar to other GW products, it may be so long ago other people here don't remember it, but I can only imagine they didn't do tremendously well back then otherwise GW would have put more effort in to releasing plastics for them. That's not to say they wouldn't be popular now and wouldn't be popular with plastics, but I think maaaaaybe part of the reason Sisters haven't had an update is they didn't sell well back in the dark days of 2nd/3rd edition when they first came out.

The numarine poll was the poster's attempt to validate the idea that people wouldn't buy numarines out of spite that blew up in his face. And it was about 81% yay. I'm also pretty sure it got locked after a while cause, yunno, internet.

Did you...did you think it would be 71% of the community? Like as a whole? Or that we thought that? Rofl no! No, what the poll results say is that 71% of people who have at least enough interest in SoB to make two mouse clicks would be willing to throw money down on them.

I'd buy some. Likely not a whole army, but definitely some.

However given that the "Plastic Sisters of Battle" alluded to in that community video have been released (without prompt follow up), I don't like my chances of there being any more anytime soon.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


I don't know how any of that has anything to do with what I said. I just reckon no where near 71% of the community is going to buy plastic sisters.

...there was a time when Sisters were new and fresh and priced similar to other GW products...but I can only imagine they didn't do tremendously well back then otherwise GW would have put more effort in to releasing plastics for them.

You'll forgive my paraphrasing,I hope.

I agree with you that the majority of folks aren't going to pick up new SOB. I was using your point to hang the question: why have some armies been given a second chance yet not others? I then cited some examples.


Just to expand on those: Dark Eldar sold very poorly despite being in the 3rd Edition Starter Set. Yet GW invested a huge amount of resources in updating almost the entire line into plastics and Finecast. GSC had an ironically cult following despite being long out of print. But GW thought it was worth their time to give them updated plastics and rules.

On the other hand we have the Squats. Who GW got so fed up with people asking for them to be redone that they irritably wrote them out of the background. Which kind of puzzles me. You have folks that would have thrown money, kidneys and first born children at the Demiurg but GW wasn't interested in meeting that demand.

Maybe the design team didn't want to work on some things but did on others. Perhaps it was pressure from upper management. While there are economic arguments to be made I would draw the reader's attention to the dramatic change in company practices of GW when a new head took over.

I was not actually addressing your point.

 Pendix wrote:
I'd buy some. Likely not a whole army, but definitely some.

However given that the "Plastic Sisters of Battle" alluded to in that community video have been released (without prompt follow up), I don't like my chances of there being any more anytime soon.

Hmm.well technically we have had plastic sisters within that 'few months' window alluded to in the video - Saint Cee and her companions. I am hoping that we see an actual full-blown release of a plastic SoB range but I suspect that for the next couple of years the release schedule is going to be full as they re-do the Chaos Marines and turn the existing Space Marine kits into Primaris Marine variants. Still, I see it as a hopeful sign. They could have put in an IG hero or something instead. Maybe it was a test and they have been monitoring eBay to see what they go for...


And yes, Sisters can be burning beacons of protection and salvation to the faithful while being holy terrors to their enemies (and the faithful).


Keep the Faith.

Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

I know they kicked themselves about how they handled 'space dwarfs'...hence my use of the term 'Demiurg'. Fresh new ideas, total change to an actual Xenos race, etc.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

ERJAK wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

Nope, most of the display was just missing for the whole show except for one or two models. They never were put back or even showed up, just a sign and a few helmeted sisters and one rhino, with a giant blank space right in the middle of the display.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

Nope, most of the display was just missing for the whole show except for one or two models. They never were put back or even showed up, just a sign and a few helmeted sisters and one rhino, with a giant blank space right in the middle of the display.

Sister's squatted confirmed?

We have screenshots of the new Sisters rules. So... no.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

Nope, most of the display was just missing for the whole show except for one or two models. They never were put back or even showed up, just a sign and a few helmeted sisters and one rhino, with a giant blank space right in the middle of the display.

Sister's squatted confirmed?

Nope, I'm guessing it's probably for photoshoots and they'll be back on display. If they left a few up, and those few are infantry, I doubt they're replacing the display with new models.

Why was this thread brought back after a month of no posts on it?