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Yikes, Blackstone Fortress guys have something new and random and do not work with Renegades and Heretics a single bit.

 ph34r wrote:
Yikes, Blackstone Fortress guys have something new and random and do not work with Renegades and Heretics a single bit.

FANS: He GW , could we please finally get the rank and file soldiers for Chaos? You know the Lost and the dammned?

GW: Yeah sure, here you go!
Also GW: (restricts any option, wargear and possible combination)
Because 14 Traitor Guardsmen is the maximum traitor guardsmen per CSM ever. (TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) and don't even talk about that FW list that came out at the end of 7th, because that thing was terrible!

Meanwhile owners of IA13: WTF!?!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yikes, Blackstone Fortress guys have something new and random and do not work with Renegades and Heretics a single bit.

FANS: He GW , could we please finally get the rank and file soldiers for Chaos? You know the Lost and the dammned?

GW: Yeah sure, here you go!
Also GW: (restricts any option, wargear and possible combination)
Because 14 Traitor Guardsmen is the maximum traitor guardsmen per CSM ever. (TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) and don't even talk about that FW list that came out at the end of 7th, because that thing was terrible!

Meanwhile owners of IA13: WTF!?!

Damn well the wait continues. May just have to run as csm for traitor guard and r&h allied vanguard and spearhead. Very disappointing gw gets no money from me.

Adding a detachment for only a maximum of 14 traitor guardsmen, a few random cultists, and a couple psykers sounds really really unappealing to me.

 ph34r wrote:
Adding a detachment for only a maximum of 14 traitor guardsmen, a few random cultists, and a couple psykers sounds really really unappealing to me.

Especially when the only one you can fill is a patrol....

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Adding a detachment for only a maximum of 14 traitor guardsmen, a few random cultists, and a couple psykers sounds really really unappealing to me.

Especially when the only one you can fill is a patrol....

You can have 2 units and they are units of 7 but yet gw missed another opportunity to make money and keep the fans happy.
Disappointing you think They would have common Sense.
You can have2 rogue psychers, 2 units traitor guard and a unit of beastmen for a battalion. But gw lost my money.

Battery servants of the abyss:

2x Rogue psycher(30x2) 60

2x Traitor guardsmen (35x2)70
1x beastmen 45

Total 175

Vs

Renegades
2x commanders (25x2) 50

3x cultists(3x40)120

Total 170

Now the renegade list has more bodies and 5points cheaper but the servants have more armour, firepower, melee power and smites.

Thoughts?

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
Battery servants of the abyss:

2x Rogue psycher(30x2) 60

2x Traitor guardsmen (35x2)70
1x beastmen 45

Total 175

Vs

Renegades
2x commanders (25x2) 50

3x cultists(3x40)120

Total 170

Now the renegade list has more bodies and 5points cheaper but the servants have more armour, firepower, melee power and smites.

Thoughts?

Rogue psykers are elites not hq.
The only hq you got avilable is hammerman, and he makes Rogue psykers and beastmen into non slot filling.
Ergo not possible.

You also need to take Hammerman in order to take any other unit (except maybe the electrodancers?)

All in all, I doubt there will be much matched play use for these guys. My only hope is that they release some kits and proper rules farther down the line like they did with the Silver Tower minis (Tzaangors)

Do we have any mass-transit options?

I really want a Gorgon, but R&H can't take them and FW no longer produces them apparently so I switched to a Crassus, but we can't legally take those either.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Do we have any mass-transit options?

I really want a Gorgon, but R&H can't take them and FW no longer produces them apparently so I switched to a Crassus, but we can't legally take those either.

Walking, ehm i guess running and if you are lucky a Chimera and if you are particulary unlucky thrown out a valkyrie.

Honestly beyond a squadron of Valkyires / the other small flyer we don't have a mass transport, and no tellyporta or tide stratagem.

In short, no we don't have a mass transport, why should we, it isn't like half the options got killed off from 7th to 8th....

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Do we have any mass-transit options?

I really want a Gorgon, but R&H can't take them and FW no longer produces them apparently so I switched to a Crassus, but we can't legally take those either.

Covent of slannesh and some Nike running shoes.

The problem with that is that using the Covenant of Slaanesh for that one unit of Mutants means the entire rest of my army can't use the Covenant of Tzeentch, which is vastly more useful.

That and Nike suck. Vans uber alles.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The problem with that is that using the Covenant of Slaanesh for that one unit of Mutants means the entire rest of my army can't use the Covenant of Tzeentch, which is vastly more useful.

That and Nike suck. Vans uber alles.

Depends, tzeench is good for stationary gunline armies which dont need transports while slaansh is good for mobility which can be used to get into melee or kite at range so is still useful as far as covents can go.

Also vans are good but not hush puppy good

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The problem with that is that using the Covenant of Slaanesh for that one unit of Mutants means the entire rest of my army can't use the Covenant of Tzeentch, which is vastly more useful.

That and Nike suck. Vans uber alles.

Covenant of tzeentch is overrated, tbh, yes you get another "turn " of basic fire for militia but honestly a turn of lasgun fire without the quantity or quality of IG squads.
In many ways Slaanesh is a more usefull covenant than the tzeentchian one, especially when we consider that not many enemies will ever charge our blobs in melee.

That said, if you meet a melee army tzeentch covenants will pay off.

Thirdly: Ü-ber, IF you need to use Krautisch atleast use Krautisch with Umlaute.

JK, but seriously the tzeentchian covenant got less usefull in it's transition to 8th. Not to mention that the general gunline capabilites of us are, in a word, less forcing then the closest "relative" (IG),

Apologies. I have no idea how to produce an umlaut on this keyboard.

As I mentioned earlier though, the vast majority of my R&H units deploy and then basically do not move again until they're dead and getting packed away. Covenant of Slaanesh for that army is nigh useless.

The Covenant of Tzeentch, while it isn't exactly 'powerful', 'strong' or 'good', gives my units something useful at least. Hitting in Overwatch on a 5+, even with the standard issue flashlight, is better than nothing.

It's true that IG/AM do a better version of my R&H army but I'm a Chaotic Evil sexual deviant, not a fascist, so balls to the Imperium.

Nearly half my units are on datasheets found in C:AM anyway....

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I guess then I'll just have to get a Gorgon/Crassus and hope that people don't mind that R&H can't legally take them. Or maybe the rules will have changed by the time I'm looking to make this addition.

I got my fingers crossed, Freddy.

Apologies. I have no idea how to produce an umlaut on this keyboard.

Shh, wanna know a secret?, use a E after the normal letter (Ü = UE)

The Covenant of Tzeentch, while it isn't exactly 'powerful', 'strong' or 'good', gives my units something useful at least. Hitting in Overwatch on a 5+, even with the standard issue flashlight, is better than nothing.

It's true that IG/AM do a better version of my R&H army but I'm a Chaotic Evil sexual deviant, not a fascist, so balls to the Imperium.

It is true that in essence you gain a unmodifyable shooting phase thanks to the overwatch ruling, beeing not affected by -1 to hits.
However the Imperium of man is not fascist but rather an "Absolutist" Feudalist society equally (or more) fragmented then the HRE before the whole reformation schtick happened and we decided to just wipe out 1/3 "germans"* Bonus points for an elected type of regency council heavily influenced by the ecclesiarchy and the nobility. Come to think of it, it actually seems like the HRE BUT IN SHPAACE before the 30 years war weakened the whole fundament of the empire. (granted the HRE had about as extensive an fundament as a gardenshed in the alps, very rudimentary)

History lession over, now for the Covenant, get yourself a Enforcer and big blobs of infantry and just charge the enemy, never something wrong especially in what the scope of your project is, to charge the enemy headfirst with squads that were laid toghether after taking casualities.

I got my fingers crossed, Freddy.

Huh? Freddy? why Freddy?






* Mind you the term german at the time went back to the medieval nationes system, for which you were split in blocks by language closeness mostly used for university students and later for the crusaders, in order to have the people understand each other and have a witness, which at the time was necessary for any legal interaction as buying and selling. Whilest the Latin block consisted of French, italian and iberian people, the Germans ranged from Dutch speakers to germans (all inclusive ergo with austrians and swiss germans, HUUURRAAY WE GOT INCLUDED, that one time) to Bohemians(Czech) Slovaks, slovenes, hungarians and even Poles, often times reffered to as franks.

Having my fingers crossed is a reference to a terrible movie, which I adore, called Freddy Got Fingered.

I think fascist v. feudalist is essentially a distinction without a difference, personally, but this is probably not the time or place for such a discussion.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yikes, Blackstone Fortress guys have something new and random and do not work with Renegades and Heretics a single bit.

FANS: He GW , could we please finally get the rank and file soldiers for Chaos? You know the Lost and the dammned?

GW: Yeah sure, here you go!
Also GW: (restricts any option, wargear and possible combination)
Because 14 Traitor Guardsmen is the maximum traitor guardsmen per CSM ever. (TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) and don't even talk about that FW list that came out at the end of 7th, because that thing was terrible!

Meanwhile owners of IA13: WTF!?!

That pretty much those who had been looking forward to rogue trader forces thought. Zero options and just tiny patrol detachment to play with. Until they come on their own boxes this was inevitable.

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Yikes, Blackstone Fortress guys have something new and random and do not work with Renegades and Heretics a single bit.

FANS: He GW , could we please finally get the rank and file soldiers for Chaos? You know the Lost and the dammned?

GW: Yeah sure, here you go!
Also GW: (restricts any option, wargear and possible combination)
Because 14 Traitor Guardsmen is the maximum traitor guardsmen per CSM ever. (TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) and don't even talk about that FW list that came out at the end of 7th, because that thing was terrible!

Meanwhile owners of IA13: WTF!?!

That pretty much those who had been looking forward to rogue trader forces thought. Zero options and just tiny patrol detachment to play with. Until they come on their own boxes this was inevitable.

Aye and I say it again, neither Rogue traider nor gellerpox deserved it. This time however it is basically especially insulting for players or renegades and heretics in a way.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Apologies. I have no idea how to produce an umlaut on this keyboard.

As I mentioned earlier though, the vast majority of my R&H units deploy and then basically do not move again until they're dead and getting packed away. Covenant of Slaanesh for that army is nigh useless.

The Covenant of Tzeentch, while it isn't exactly 'powerful', 'strong' or 'good', gives my units something useful at least. Hitting in Overwatch on a 5+, even with the standard issue flashlight, is better than nothing.

It's true that IG/AM do a better version of my R&H army but I'm a Chaotic Evil sexual deviant, not a fascist, so balls to the Imperium.

Nearly half my units are on datasheets found in C:AM anyway....

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I guess then I'll just have to get a Gorgon/Crassus and hope that people don't mind that R&H can't legally take them. Or maybe the rules will have changed by the time I'm looking to make this addition.

I got my fingers crossed, Freddy.

If your army is sitting then why do you need transports?
Hopefully they will fix our list or atleast make IG useable with chaos at the very least.

I need a Transport. Singular.

I've been thinking recently that my plans for R&H are too heavy on the Renegades and too light on the Heretics, so I'm going to redress that. I'm planning to introduce some of the Female Arcadian bitz into my army in an effort to have at least 25% female soldats. Doing so will mean I have 21 pairs of male Cadian legs left over, which in turn means that by combining GSC Neophyte Torsos and guns, some more F Arcadian legs, the Cadian legs and these heads



I can build 29 'Mutants', an Enforcer and a Psyker Coven for about $100 CAD (via Victoria Miniatures and bitz sites) and have enough bitz left over to use the CCS Sniper bit to make a 'kukushka' statue. 30 Neophyte Hybrids are ca. $170 CAD alone, for comparison. All three of these units goes into a Gorgon/Crassus and become a fancy speed-bump for whatever is charging my line and avoiding my Daemons.

All i have to work with is cadians and a few catachans.
I wish they were more unisex.

Melee army khorne
Gunline army tzenech
Mixed army slannesh/nurgle

All of which are crappy but better than nothing

Have a goosey at Victoria Miniatures lines.

They have some good conversion bits for Guard.

https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/female-squads-and-bits

Daaaaaaamnit
Looks like they are increasing cultists to 5ppm but no news on Increasing guardmen at all. Seriously is the rule team monkeys? Do they not realise that guardsmen have twice the armour, regiment bonus that eclipse anything Cultists get amd orders on top? No way cultists should cost the same as guardsmen let alone cost more.

I Pray this is as false as the emperors godhood.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/rumors-chapter-approved-2018-points-nerfs.html

Cultists instead of 5+ save gets:
Cold and Bitter, VotLW, EC, Tide of traitors
I second that cultists should be chepaer than guardsmen providing that stratagems and Iron Warrior trait from above will not work on cultists or get heavy nerf

Gnollu wrote:
Cultists instead of 5+ save gets:
Cold and Bitter, VotLW, EC, Tide of traitors
I second that cultists should be chepaer than guardsmen providing that stratagems and Iron Warrior trait from above will not work on cultists or get heavy nerf

GUardmen get morr stratagems and better regimental bonuses. So cults are still trash and getting worse not worth 5ppm imho

Name 3 stratagems which are at least as good as VoTLW, EC, ToT

Gnollu wrote:
Name 3 stratagems which are at least as good as VoTLW, EC, ToT

Name 3 Traits which CSM have that are better then Guard Traits, which do not got nerfed in the new CA

AND NO ABBADON IS NOT A GENERAL TRAIT, i am fed up by models like him which singlehandedly need to nerfs for units which don't need them, same with gulliman and SM codex.