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My apologies. I was being facetious.

The Rebels don't have any iconic ground forces outside of that blasted Snow Speeder. The Galactic Civil War is exceptionally dull from a ground-combat perspective.

   
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 Riquende wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snowtroopers and Veers?

I wonder what wonderfully iconic element of the Rebels extensive ground forces they'll add to match the Imperials.


Everything you need to refight Hoth with Echo base troopers and Rieekan? Or maybe Leia in her snow gear (it would be nice to have non-slavegirl, non-'buns' Leia figure for once).


Imperial Assault went for Leia in her snow gear rather than the slave costume (thankfully).
   
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Yeah, sure they do.

They have rebels in forest gear, rebels in snow gear, and the Alderaani resistance!

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From the civil war era movies(Ep4-6 plus R1) the Rebellion has fleet, snow and forest troops. As well as the Scarif commandos and partisans from R1, possibly Cloud city guards and lets not forget the Ewoks But IIRC the only ground combat vehicles the movies show them using are Snow speeders a couple of nicked speeder bikes and a AT-ST, and Ewok gliders. Maybe they could also have the Bespin cloud cars, but after that its going to have to be a trip to either the EU(new or old) or the prequel era.

As much as I'd like to see the current sequel trilogy included things are even worse for that era. The First Order gets walkers that are close to 40k battle Titans in size, while the Resistance get some outdated one man speeders that are literally falling apart.
   
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It's just not a tremendously inspiring figure is really what bothers me. I'm also just a tad burned out all of FFGs accessories at this point. There games have just gotten feeling cluttered at this point, where I feel like I'm carrying around more accessories than figures.


What did you actually want, something back-flipping or standing with two arms out-stretched and firing a pistol wildly from each hand?

I actually quite like the understated pose, it fits the concept quite nicely.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
From the civil war era movies(Ep4-6 plus R1) the Rebellion has fleet, snow and forest troops. As well as the Scarif commandos and partisans from R1, possibly Cloud city guards and lets not forget the Ewoks But IIRC the only ground combat vehicles the movies show them using are Snow speeders a couple of nicked speeder bikes and a AT-ST, and Ewok gliders. Maybe they could also have the Bespin cloud cars, but after that its going to have to be a trip to either the EU(new or old) or the prequel era.

As much as I'd like to see the current sequel trilogy included things are even worse for that era. The First Order gets walkers that are close to 40k battle Titans in size, while the Resistance get some outdated one man speeders that are literally falling apart.


We've gone through all this previously and HBMC knows it fine well, but for some reason is sticking with the pretense that A: the Empire is actually substantially more diverse than the Rebels, and B: the EU/non-movie New Canon doesn't exist.

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Wouldn't the rebels get far more aliens given the whole "Imperial speciest xenophobia" outside of a scum faction anyways.

Let's have some Bothans and Wookies!
   
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 Riquende wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Snowtroopers and Veers?

I wonder what wonderfully iconic element of the Rebels extensive ground forces they'll add to match the Imperials.


Everything you need to refight Hoth with Echo base troopers and Rieekan? Or maybe Leia in her snow gear (it would be nice to have non-slavegirl, non-'buns' Leia figure for once).


My guess is Hoth defense turrets.



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"Iconic" apparently doesn't matter, since General Veers actually commanded the battle from the head of an AT-AT, not from a modified AT-ST.
   
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Have been keeping an eye on this for a while, and would love to do a Hoth or Endor set up I also hope they touch on the clone wars.

Not so bothered about the Droids and such but I would like to get my hands on the clone specialists. Especially later in the clone wars where they are bridging the gap between clones and stormtroopers.
Hell I mean who wouldn’t want to have Sev,Fixer, and the rest of the squad taking down clankers.
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
We've gone through all this previously and HBMC knows it fine well, but for some reason is sticking with the pretense that A: the Empire is actually substantially more diverse than the Rebels, and B: the EU/non-movie New Canon doesn't exist.
And, just like last time, none'a that means gak.

There are no iconic or even interesting Rebel ground units. Every SW RTS game has had to make gak up for the Rebels because they just don't have enough stuff to fill a space cruiser, whereas the Imperials just have stuff coming out of their thermal exhaust ports.

Space? No problem. Look at the wealth of options in Armada and especially X-Wing. But on the ground? Not really.

I mean, who wants a mini of a T2-B? Or an HTT-26? Or an AAC-2? Or a PTR-77?




I made one of those four up, BTW.

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Does this game have a release date? Did they announce expansions before the game has released?


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 ironicsilence wrote:
Does this game have a release date? Did they announce expansions before the game has released?


Game is not out yet? I thought the game was out already. Shocked they are talking about expansions when the game is not out yet, if true.

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Davor wrote:
 ironicsilence wrote:
Does this game have a release date? Did they announce expansions before the game has released?


Game is not out yet? I thought the game was out already. Shocked they are talking about expansions when the game is not out yet, if true.


i know they demoed it at gen con i believe, but every where ive looked says the starter set is up for pre order with no actual release date published. Ive been out of the hobby for a bit and just returning so maybe ive just completely missed its release?

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FFG has typically had a limited release at gencon for their most popular lines as a propomtional event with us peons getting it months later. It was like that with X-wing for it's initial release as well. I assume that happened here although I didn't pay enough attention to this year's con coverage to know for certain. The arbitrary rescaling turned me off to the game.


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Release is likely mid to late February of 2018; they just updated their release page to "On the Boat" on the 21st of December.

Announcing expansions for unreleased games is standard procedure for FFG; their business model is very much in packaging things into tons of different SKUs. There are a few more than normal for Legion, but not bizarrely so.
   
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Is there a summary of the rules anywhere?
   
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They will be located here after release.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/star-wars-legion/



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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
We've gone through all this previously and HBMC knows it fine well, but for some reason is sticking with the pretense that A: the Empire is actually substantially more diverse than the Rebels, and B: the EU/non-movie New Canon doesn't exist.
And, just like last time, none'a that means gak.

There are no iconic or even interesting Rebel ground units. Every SW RTS game has had to make gak up for the Rebels because they just don't have enough stuff to fill a space cruiser, whereas the Imperials just have stuff coming out of their thermal exhaust ports.

Space? No problem. Look at the wealth of options in Armada and especially X-Wing. But on the ground? Not really.

I mean, who wants a mini of a T2-B? Or an HTT-26? Or an AAC-2? Or a PTR-77?




I made one of those four up, BTW.



I'm not going through this again. You're wrong, I've illustrated how you're wrong in excruciating detail, but if you get some joy out of insisting that we stick only to OT-movie-screen stuff and from pretending that, by your own chosen measure, the Imperials are somehow so much more interesting than the Rebels because they have, like, one extra vehicle, have at it.

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H.B.M.C is right, while there is tons of stuff from the (now defunct) EU they could use, to the masses that stuff isn't STAR WARS, its just a bunch of sci-fi things.

One of the main problems with x-wing is that if you walk into a tournament it doesn't look like star wars anymore, as nobody uses x-wings / tie fighters - it's all weird EU stuff

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My apologies. I was being facetious.

The Rebels don't have any iconic ground forces outside of that blasted Snow Speeder. The Galactic Civil War is exceptionally dull from a ground-combat perspective.


We already have a rebel riding an AT-RT, I think they will whip up some crazy stuff for the rebel faction. I expect Hoth Leia and cold weather troopers announced next. Next thing you know we'll have rebel zipping around in beat up BARC speeders. And this....though not in that color of course.



Considering the ships they put in Armada and X wing I expect them to bend the rules a bit. Though they need to be careful with balance otherwise just like X wing the iconic stuff won't see enough use.

 
   
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The AT-RT is a repurposed clone wars vehicle so maybe an AT-TE the there is all these to go to http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Rebel_Alliance_vehicles

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Yeah IIRC the Empire is shown on screen to have(deep breath) Storm troopers, Snow troopers, Desert troopers, Scout troopers, Shore troopers, Death troopers, Imperial army troopers, Imperial guards, Scout troopers on speeder bikes, Desert troopers on Dewbacks, TX-225A Occupier tank(from R1), AT-ST and if FFG ever go epic two types of AT-AT's. It also looks like the Han Solo movie will also include at least one new Storm trooper variant as well.

Still the real meat for the Rebels this game should be the heroes. Despite being called "Legion" it does seem to be more of a small scale(not quite skirmish) game to me.

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 Krinsath wrote:
Release is likely mid to late February of 2018; they just updated their release page to "On the Boat" on the 21st of December.

Announcing expansions for unreleased games is standard procedure for FFG; their business model is very much in packaging things into tons of different SKUs. There are a few more than normal for Legion, but not bizarrely so.


If this is standard for FFG, is the past when this happens, do they release all the expansions at the same time as when the game goes live to make a larger model splash? Or will it be a true expansion and come months after the game?


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Wouldn;t the rebels just use captured Imperial stuff ?

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
"Iconic" apparently doesn't matter, since General Veers actually commanded the battle from the head of an AT-AT, not from a modified AT-ST.
Given how long it took before X-Wing got "Huge" ships it'll be a long while yet before they introduce the AT-AT. I imagine they made it seem like he was getting fire support from one through one of his command cards given it seems to output five red dice worth of damage.
   
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 ironicsilence wrote:
 Krinsath wrote:
Release is likely mid to late February of 2018; they just updated their release page to "On the Boat" on the 21st of December.

Announcing expansions for unreleased games is standard procedure for FFG; their business model is very much in packaging things into tons of different SKUs. There are a few more than normal for Legion, but not bizarrely so.


If this is standard for FFG, is the past when this happens, do they release all the expansions at the same time as when the game goes live to make a larger model splash? Or will it be a true expansion and come months after the game?


It varies with the line. Usually the "core" expansions (i.e. - units that are already in the main box broken out) release at the same time as well as expansions announced at about the same time. That's contingent on the factory though, as sometimes things will take too long to do a normal release and they'll ship ahead cores rather than delay the entire line. Armada springs to mind as a time when core sets were available for a long while before the expansion ships with the core being released in March and the follow-ons not until May.

I think the game did suffer for it as the first quarter of the game's release there were only 3 ships, so I doubt FFG is keen to repeat that model. Most of the Legion "core expansions" show the same status as the core sets while Veers and the Snowtroopers are not listed. I suspect that means those two expansions and their inevitable Rebel analogs will come slightly later, despite the announcement saying first quarter of 2018; FFG's announcement dates are often inaccurate as the latest Armada wave illustrates (announced for Q4 2017, not even on the boat yet).

No inside knowledge or anything; just going on how they've done things previously.
   
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Yeah, FFG really dropped the ball with the Profundity and Chimera for Armada when they didn't even have the ships to display at Gencon, but had demos galore of Legion.



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So it says "on the boat." Anyone know the typical time from on the boat to whatever comes next?
   
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As it says on FFG's page, generally 4-6 weeks. Given that this is a major launch for FFG, it could be as early as January, or as late as March. All boils down to when they think is the best time to release things.
   
 
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