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Imperial Armour volume 8 had some interesting artwork of new designs for warbuggies - making them look like dune buggies with roll-cages and the like - that never made it itno miniatures. They'd be cool if a new model is forthcoming.

Ah yes, those! For the longest time I assumed that these were sneak previews of upcoming kits, much like how the plastic Valkyrie was previewed as a technical drawing (well, they used the CAD file) in one of the Aeronautica Imperialis books.



Good look to them, modular as well at first glance, with tracks and wheels as options for front and back.

Cool designs for sure, but they feel less Orky and more Mad Max. I think it's the roll cage that does it. Orks care not for safety.

Roll bars give you more room to mount guns and glyphs and trophies and for boyz to hang on to ride.

Or go full Fury Road and attach rusty spikes everywhere, just like those cannibals did.

I’m not sure I’d look to Forgeworld assets to predict what GW will do, based on the ways they’ve diverted on design decisions in the past - think Mekadreds vs Gorkanauts.

I do expect something a bit more Mad Max from GW’s designs. FW’s drawing is nice and functional but doesn’t really take advantage of GW’s flashier plastic design techniques.

I’d also hope that we get more interesting weapon options than big shootas and rokkits. Those are fine standbys but some specialized weapons would be a good way to make buggies more appealing.

Melee weapons for buggies would be particularly amusing. Spikes, chains, the gunner wielding a stikkbomb lance....

I can totally understand why many people want the Trakks and Buggies to be upgraded, but honesty, I see them being scrapped instead. They're just not that interesting compared to what Orks have now ('Kopters, Warbikes), so if they return, I can see them as a sort of middle ground between Trukks and Bikes, relatively tough and loaded with special weapons, not just a Flamer or a Melta, sort of like the Hellhounds, but speedier.

For me personally, I'd like a Skarboy set. Ten Boyz, automatically with 'Ard Armor, with either Mek-enchanced shields (5++ and maybe some other zany rule) or Speshul Choppas/Big Choppas that does something cool. Like a toolbox version of the Nobs, but with the size of Boyz.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Imperial Armour volume 8 had some interesting artwork of new designs for warbuggies - making them look like dune buggies with roll-cages and the like - that never made it itno miniatures. They'd be cool if a new model is forthcoming.

Well those still could be. And have been just waiting for release. While rare wouldn"t be first time model has been designed and waited even years for release

 The Wise Dane wrote:
I can totally understand why many people want the Trakks and Buggies to be upgraded, but honesty, I see them being scrapped instead. They're just not that interesting compared to what Orks have now ('Kopters, Warbikes), so if they return, I can see them as a sort of middle ground between Trukks and Bikes, relatively tough and loaded with special weapons, not just a Flamer or a Melta, sort of like the Hellhounds, but speedier.

For me personally, I'd like a Skarboy set. Ten Boyz, automatically with 'Ard Armor, with either Mek-enchanced shields (5++ and maybe some other zany rule) or Speshul Choppas/Big Choppas that does something cool. Like a toolbox version of the Nobs, but with the size of Boyz.

There's been a bit of speculation/rumormongering over Kult of Speed getting its own Codex.

I've personally been wondering for awhile about The Beast Arises and whether or not we might see some of the stuff from there make its way into the new game. There's something not unlike what you're talking about where there's Boyz in 'Ard Armor with what amount to slab shields and shootas that fight in a shield line and have Gretchin mixed into the unit that unleash Bomb Squigs that run out in front of them when they lift the shields.

Ignorant question for people who are familiar with older 40k editions: What is the purpose of having Trakks or Buggies? Vehicle hunting mostly? Obj. camping? HQ/Monster harassment? Would they be suitable replacements for the Tankbustas+Trukk strategy? Did the Tankbusta+Trukk strat. come about because Trakks and Buggies became unviable?

I know Biker swarms used to be everywhere...

To be sure, some updated Ork Buggy/Trakk models might look really really cool , but why field them (generally, or in a Kult of Speed army)

Rule of cool comes to mind, though personally I am more a collector first, gamer second.

 Whazgog Da Despot wrote:
Ignorant question for people who are familiar with older 40k editions: What is the purpose of having Trakks or Buggies? Vehicle hunting mostly? Obj. camping? HQ/Monster harassment? Would they be suitable replacements for the Tankbustas+Trukk strategy? Did the Tankbusta+Trukk strat. come about because Trakks and Buggies became unviable?

I know Biker swarms used to be everywhere...

To be sure, some updated Ork Buggy/Trakk models might look really really cool , but why field them (generally, or in a Kult of Speed army)

I don’t think there’s ever been a great reason to field them besides being cheap, fast harassment units.

Personally I think they’re thematically cooler than other Ork fast attack options, so I’d love to see a good kit come out. I hardly ever play so I’m more interested in the aesthetics.

BrookM wrote:Rule of cool comes to mind.

theocracity wrote: I’m more interested in the aesthetics.

I'm more of a collector as well so I also follow the Rule of Cool. Was just curious. Thanks

If you're after a 'new' buggy it's worth a look here

https://www.zinge.co.uk/products/modular-military-buggy



although it's resin the price is probably cheaper than a new GW plastic one would be now anyway

I can't find that picture in the latest white dwarf..

theocracity wrote:

 Whazgog Da Despot wrote:
Ignorant question for people who are familiar with older 40k editions: What is the purpose of having Trakks or Buggies? Vehicle hunting mostly? Obj. camping? HQ/Monster harassment? Would they be suitable replacements for the Tankbustas+Trukk strategy? Did the Tankbusta+Trukk strat. come about because Trakks and Buggies became unviable?

I know Biker swarms used to be everywhere...

To be sure, some updated Ork Buggy/Trakk models might look really really cool , but why field them (generally, or in a Kult of Speed army)

I don’t think there’s ever been a great reason to field them besides being cheap, fast harassment units.

In 5th edition the were used in many competitive ork lists for tank hunting. They would come in from the flanks and fire rokkits into rear armor, potentially destroying the vehicle or its main gun or at least scoring a "shaken" result on the damage table, preventing the vehicle from shooting next turn. With the editions vehicle became increasingly harder to kill, but the damage of buggies pretty much stayed the same, causing them to be out of a job nowadays.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If you're after a 'new' buggy it's worth a look here

https://www.zinge.co.uk/products/modular-military-buggy



although it's resin the price is probably cheaper than a new GW plastic one would be now anyway

That’s a pretty good buggy. The modular template style isn’t exactly to my taste, but that could look proppa with some work done to it.

 Jidmah wrote:

theocracity wrote:

 Whazgog Da Despot wrote:
Ignorant question for people who are familiar with older 40k editions: What is the purpose of having Trakks or Buggies? Vehicle hunting mostly? Obj. camping? HQ/Monster harassment? Would they be suitable replacements for the Tankbustas+Trukk strategy? Did the Tankbusta+Trukk strat. come about because Trakks and Buggies became unviable?

I know Biker swarms used to be everywhere...

To be sure, some updated Ork Buggy/Trakk models might look really really cool , but why field them (generally, or in a Kult of Speed army)

I don’t think there’s ever been a great reason to field them besides being cheap, fast harassment units.

In 5th edition the were used in many competitive ork lists for tank hunting. They would come in from the flanks and fire rokkits into rear army, potentially destroying the vehicle or its main gun or at least scoring a "shaken" result on the damage table, preventing the vehicle from shooting next turn. With the editions vehicle became increasingly harder to kill, but the damage of buggies pretty much stayed the same, causing them to be out of a job nowadays.

I seem to recall Deffkoptas being the more popular unit for that role. It was basically a tossup between the two rules wise, and Deffkoptas tended to win - possibly because they had the more modern plastic kit.

Of course, neither of them were popular compared to Nob Bikers, which seemed to be the dominant strategy in my admittedly hazy memory.

The only reason deff kotas were used instead of buggies was that they came with AOBR, which was 5th edition's starter set. Competitive players would convert their koptas to buggies.
Buggies had the advantage of being vehicles, which meant that they basically had a 5++ save due to the damage table (only 3+ destroyed open topped vehicles unless the weapon was AP1) and were difficult to harm with low strength weapons, while koptas suffered instant death from anything S8 or higher due to their 4+1 toughness.
On top of that they would not suffer from moral and were cheaper in points. Not to mention that they could easily provide cover due to squadron rules.

The top lists played were battlewagon bash for 1750 or more points, which featured battlewagons, lootaz and buggies, at lower point levels the kan wall was the list of choice since many armies were unable to handle nine walkers with 4++ saves backed by 80+ boyz with 4+ cover.
Nob bikers sometimes appeared as part of battle wagon lists, but they got worse the more codices got released: SW long fang spam and JotWW, IG leaf blower, MC Phiston, GK Psyfelmen and anything necrons could blow them right of the board, since wound allocation shenanigans wouldn't work against all those S8 shots flying around. Therefore battlewagon lists usually ran a unit of regular nobz in a dedicated transport battlewagon instead to gain access to a fourth rolla.

 Jidmah wrote:
The only reason deff kotas were used instead of buggies was that they came with AOBR, which was 5th edition's starter set. Competitive players would convert their koptas to buggies.
Buggies had the advantage of being vehicles, which meant that they basically had a 5++ save due to the damage table (only 3+ destroyed open topped vehicles unless the weapon was AP1) and were difficult to harm with low strength weapons, while koptas suffered instant death from anything S8 or higher due to their 4+1 toughness.
On top of that they would not suffer from moral and were cheaper in points. Not to mention that they could easily provide cover due to squadron rules.

The top lists played were battlewagon bash for 1750 or more points, which featured battlewagons, lootaz and buggies, at lower point levels the kan wall was the list of choice since many armies were unable to handle nine walkers with 4++ saves backed by 80+ boyz with 4+ cover.
Nob bikers sometimes appeared as part of battle wagon lists, but they got worse the more codices got released: SW long fang spam and JotWW, IG leaf blower, MC Phiston, GK Psyfelmen and anything necrons could blow them right of the board, since wound allocation shenanigans wouldn't work against all those S8 shots flying around. Therefore battlewagon lists usually ran a unit of regular nobz in a dedicated transport battlewagon instead to gain access to a fourth rolla.

Ahhh... Those were the days. Back when we'd wait 6 months between codexes.

Then again is quantity or quality more important? GW went for quantity now and poor ad mech, grey knights etc have to wait for god knows how long now for functional codex. Plus now most factions got zero new models to boot and have to wait for ages for those

I wouldn't consider any codex non-functional or unplayable. Not compared to what we've had before in previous editions that's for sure.

With regards Ork release rumours. Valrak has claimed he has an insider who has told him we're going to get a "Prime-Ork" Ghazzy (which for me is way overdue). That doesn't mean Primaris-Boyz, just a big, beastly model for Ghaz.

Someone mentioned earlier that the WD picture had been debunked? Can I ask for a source on this as I've been following the rumour mill pretty closely and I've not seen the anything disproving it for sure, just a lot of educated guesses.

If we get new models, here's what I'd expect/hope for -

HQs -
Warboss in mega armour/new Ghazzy interchangeable model.
Standard Big Mek with KFF and weapon options.
Normal warboss with weapon options.
New Weirdboy/Zogwort interchangeable model.

Elites -
Plastic Tankbustas unlikely
Plastic Kommandos unlikely

Troops -
New Boyz possible but unlikely

Fast Attack -
New Buggies/Trakks/Skorcha interchangeable kit
AOBR DeffKoptas with possible additional sprue for weapon options

Heavy Support -
I think Big Gunz will be removed, they look awful and Mek Gunz fulfill the same role

You'll note a lack of 'Painboy on Bike' or 'Mek on Bike', I think these units will go and we'll get a similar function on a new Buggy kit or we'll have to use index rules. Technically we have Nobz on Bikes already (both in the Warbikers kit and Forgeworld) and Warboss on Bike (with Zhadsnark).

Looking at the list it might seem like a lot of units but it's only 3 HQ Clampacks, a new "big' Buggy/Trakk kit and a 'big' Ghazzy kit. The Deffkopta would be a simple re-release of an existing sprue and the other possibilities are unlikely.

The big tickets this leaves are - Mad Dok Grotsnik and Nob with WAAAGGGHH!! Banner. Perhaps Mad Dok will get a release with Ghazz at a later point and the WAAAGGHH!! Banner Nob will be interchangeable with Weirdboy kit?

Either way, I really, really hope we get some new models else I have no idea why GW would leave our release so late.

Well this is a pretty terrible first glance, if it is.

The walker definitely looks like a dreadknight conversion.

Everything in this could be a conversion.

The possibilities for what GW could be bringing are, new plastic buggy (Trakks/Skorcha), a-la above. New plastic deffkopters, new plastic kommandos/tankbusters. A plastic Ghazzy. Any of the characters in plastic (including Waaagh banner nob) + anything else GW thinks we need but don't really need.

Edit, oh and the big gunz they do look bad but really just need a sprue ala Mek Gunz. (I don't think they will be gotten rid of as everyone already has these models and uses them). Interchangeable options in the kit will give you ability to create mortar/catapult/kannon/zzap gun.

This is completely my conspiracy theory, but.....Doesn't GW usually release a game from their past in the fall (Bloodbowl, Necromunda, etc.), and didn't they make a cool game called Gorka Morka that featured Buggies and Trukks, and doesn't that seem to be awfully close to the rumored Ork codex release date? Just sayin......

Smellingsalts wrote:
This is completely my conspiracy theory, but.....Doesn't GW usually release a game from their past in the fall (Bloodbowl, Necromunda, etc.), and didn't they make a cool game called Gorka Morka that featured Buggies and Trukks, and doesn't that seem to be awfully close to the rumored Ork codex release date? Just sayin......

They did, and it was one of the best Specialist Games - alas they derped all over themselves by hugely over-printing foreign language versions of the game, and by the time all the unsold ones had been recalled and pulped GorkaMorka was seen by the company as a financial failure. Now of course, that couldn't be their fault, so they'll likely not consider GM a viable release.

Also, last call was Adeptus Titanicus this year, I thought?

A Gorkamorka box along the lines of Forgebane maybe? A couple of Trukks, 20 boyz and, say four of the new Buggy/Trakk kits would be a good start. Dunno about the rules though. Borrowed from Necromunda?

Or something that ties into Kill Team perhaps. Kill Team: Gorkamorka?

 Oguhmek wrote:
A Gorkamorka box along the lines of Forgebane maybe? A couple of Trukks, 20 boyz and, say four of the new Buggy/Trakk kits would be a good start. Dunno about the rules though. Borrowed from Necromunda?

Or something that ties into Kill Team perhaps. Kill Team: Gorkamorka?

I mean, if they did decide to use it to launch new Ork models, it would be a half-arsed rerelease of the original rules ala Shadow War with as you say a Forgebane-style mixer of mostly old models with a couple of new ones. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but TBH GorkaMorka deserves better.

Gorkamorka was actually a helluva lot of fun. The expansion gangs were damn cool, too, with all-Grot rebels using wind-powered vehicles with Snotlings as juves, Mad-Max humans that wanted to be Orks but actually had their leaders owing allegiance to Necrons, and Mutants who were decendents of a crashed Imperial ship using archeotech weapons, but all rode mutant horses like desert nomads.

There have been many times I have thought about using modern Orks and their vehicles to remake a basic set of Gorkers vs. Morkers, and use modern plastic Grots to reinforce my Rebel Grot warband, even though they would need some really kitbashed vehicles.

It was just about the very height of what the crazy Specialist Games imaginations could do.