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Snake Tortoise wrote: I hate this topic. Any time the subject of English identity comes up the left start talking about the far right, racism, colonialism etc. It's to belittle anybody with a shred of pride in their cultural identity (the small minded bigots that we are) because what we should be feeling is shame, every second of every day, and awe at foreign, non-white cultures- the less progressive the culture the more they should be respected.
As a Texan its both interesting and strange to watch. I would have thought the discussions would have been about food and domestic social customs, for example the minor topic that popped up about swearing. For instance in the US, when I was growing up (this was back when everyone wore hats with three corners) Yankees were viewed as swearing a lot and being aggressive, where in the South if you did similar you would get your head taken off.
Genetics, racism, colonialism etc etc, well I didn't expect that.
So on the "big island" besides Scotland and Wales, are there other non English locations?
Galas wrote: Well... until this thread I didn't even know english and british weren't the same thing.
EDIT: And as formosa said, galician, catalan and vasque "nationalism" is in general seen as a good thing, but "spanish" nationalism is normally the umbrella for fascist and post-franquists, and many people believes they have basically kidnaped (Myself included) the "spanish" identity for their own political agenda, for the detriment of all of the country. Is actually funny how similar the situations are.
Of course, the catalonian crisis hasn't helped with this.
Ha, you tell me. I've been called out a "nazi" for wearing a spanish flag. A country is not "what it means to be", but what it is to you. For me, my country is my city, my family (from all around the country), and what not; food is my country. Anyway, in the 41st Millenium there are no countries, JUST THE EMPEROR
Wait, what...why? Spain is now a democracy. Can you provide further color?
Now whats interesting is how my Latin American comrades did not like the Spanish- Peruvians and Venezuelans anyway- whereas my Mexican comrades were fine with them (Brazilians obviously were different).
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Galas wrote: Well... until this thread I didn't even know english and british weren't the same thing.
EDIT: And as formosa said, galician, catalan and vasque "nationalism" is in general seen as a good thing, but "spanish" nationalism is normally the umbrella for fascist and post-franquists, and many people believes they have basically kidnaped (Myself included) the "spanish" identity for their own political agenda, for the detriment of all of the country. Is actually funny how similar the situations are.
Of course, the catalonian crisis hasn't helped with this.
Ha, you tell me. I've been called out a "nazi" for wearing a spanish flag. A country is not "what it means to be", but what it is to you. For me, my country is my city, my family (from all around the country), and what not; food is my country. Anyway, in the 41st Millenium there are no countries, JUST THE EMPEROR
Wait, what...why? Spain is now a democracy. Can you provide further color?
Now whats interesting is how my Latin American comrades did not like the Spanish- Peruvians and Venezuelans anyway- whereas my Mexican comrades were fine with them (Brazilians obviously were different).
He lives in Barcelona, that should give you a hint.
The issue of the flag is still touchy in Spain because the Franco dictatorship (which appropriated the Spanish flag) is still relatively recent.
It always felt weird to me the open display of flags in the US and UK in non-sports related environments. In Spain use of the flag feels weird, mostly by association to those who don't mind wearing it all the time.
OTOH, regional/nationalist flags were a sign of modernity and opposition to the system, so don't carry the same stigma.
Not seeing how that would make the flag bad (not a criticism, not quite catching that). I should note in the Americas, there have been lots of dictators, but that didn't impact the view of the flag of the relevant countries. "Don't cry for me Argentina. The truth is thismusicalisreallyboringandInearlyfellasleepwatchingitandendedupturningitoff..".
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
How does that make the flag bad?
Maybe this is a topic for another thread or pm.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
So on the "big island" besides Scotland and Wales, are there other non English locations?
The "big island" is Great Britain, and it contains England, Wales and Scotland (all three of which also extend onto other islands; Not many significant ones in England that I can name, Anglesey in Wales and loads of island groups in Scotland). Unless some total fruitloop has declared personal independence in his shed, there are no other nations in Great Britain.
As for the Spanish flag being problematic in some areas, I think it's that the "main" Spanish identity has been forced onto the various regional groups - Catalonia, Basque, etc. In America, you can be Texan and American (and French, Irish, Russian, whatever your granny was). In places like Spain and France, it was mandated for a long time that you could only be Spanish or French. I believe France has relaxed, and things like Breton identity is making a comeback.* What would you think if the US Congress banned any expression of Texan identity in favour of making you all generically "American"?
Britain did the same thing in Wales and Scotland (and Cornwall), suppressing the local Welsh and Gaelic languages, and you can also look at what happened to indigenous children in Canada, Australia and I think in the USA.
*As an aside, the stereotypical British idea of a Frenchman - stripy jumper, string of onions, bicycle - is actually Breton - they'd come over from Brittany to England to sell onions during the summer months. Many of them didn't actually speak any French, so the fact that they're what we all think Frenchmen are like is a rather confusing to actual French people.
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Unless some total fruitloop has declared personal independence in his shed, there are no other nations in Great Britain.
Nearly...:
While it has been described as the world's smallest country[6] or nation,[7] Sealand is not officially recognised by any established sovereign state in spite of Sealand's government's claim that it has been de facto recognised by the United Kingdom[3] and Germany.[8] The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea in force since 1994 states "Artificial islands, installations and structures do not possess the status of islands. They have no territorial sea of their own, and their presence does not affect the delimitation of the territorial sea, the exclusive economic zone or the continental shelf".[9] Since 1987, Sealand lies within the territorial waters of the United Kingdom.[10]
Snake Tortoise wrote: I hate this topic. Any time the subject of English identity comes up the left start talking about the far right, racism, colonialism etc. It's to belittle anybody with a shred of pride in their cultural identity (the small minded bigots that we are) because what we should be feeling is shame, every second of every day, and awe at foreign, non-white cultures- the less progressive the culture the more they should be respected.
Oh trust me that is going on here too. Nationalism is considered bad now. I always respected the English for having a strong sense of national pride. I'd hate to see that go.
I thought we were much further down that road than you. National pride is a dirty concept here
SJW and 'triggered' both come from the US adoption of the social engineering model from Europe. It is effective and is damaging, but ultimately it will fail. The US is too big to dogmatise, and Americans are flag flying to a fault, but this will actually help them here. I pity the man to try and maneuver American politics to make Americans feel shamed to be American. It could work, as in its a realistic threat, and has been tried, but ultimately it will fail utterly, I don't think I need to explain why.
Disagree, almost all of the theoretical underpinnings and concepts that form the "SJW" movement come from the US, specifically certain parts of US universities. For example, concepts like "white privilege" are clearly of US origin, as they dont make any sense in a European context.
A rant about “SJWs” just comes across poorly. If you can’t articulate why it is an issue without insulting people who disagree with you I would suggest that you probably need to very carefully check your arguments. Especially when you clearly don’t understand what the issue is.
First I do not "rant", that is rather loaded as I articulate my comments clearly. Second the switching goalposts of acceptable terminology for political leverage is a hallmark of SJW's, amongst others, and I make no apology for the term.
As fro my arguments, they don't need much checking, though I do to keep ahead. I theorised this twenty years ago, before the consequences occured and much of the surrounding terminology. I was proven correct then, and am still correct now, and now have the benefit/confirmation of hindsight.
Yes I do understand what the issue is. Do you?
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Frazzled wrote: How does that make the flag bad?
Maybe this is a topic for another thread or pm.
Negative association can be a forced social change, and need not have a logical basis. Though the move has an intelligence behind it.
So long as one controls the dialectic one controls the thinking, and thus one can arbitrarily declare selective iconography to be negative for political gain.
It is very unlikely to work in America with the national flag, and attempts to do so in the UK are having mixed results. In the UK in the Blair years the Union flag and St George flag meant far right according to government dictat of the time. The iconography was soiled markedly quickly, though some applications were spared. Since 2006 and a widespread refusal not to fly the flag there was an active change in policy. The national flag was acceptable, but it specifically meant sport, this was mainly because the flag was always used to represent sport, and in the case of football could be marginalised as quasi-far right, but the rugby world cup brought the flag as back in the open waved by the middle classes in large numbers and could not really be all packaged into the same label so there was a sea change in application from a national level. The St George flag was still restricted by the back door for public buildings as 'racism' but was trotted out as a sign of sporting achievement, to a less extent the Union flag also.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
AndrewGPaul wrote: a) part of England, b) not part of the island of Great Britain.
The isle of Man is its own weird thing, but is again a separate island.)
true that, the Isle of Wight just feels like a bit of Hampshire/Sussex that accidentally detached and drifted off till releasing it was getting closer to the France and stopped
the Isle of Man feels like its from 'elsewhere' and the TT is an elaborate blood sacrifice to appease the old gods
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
AlmightyWalrus wrote: "Rant" is negatively loaded but "SJW" is completely not a derogatory term at all.
Rant is loaded because it is used to shut down another persons commentary.
Call it commentary and you read it with an open mind. Call it a rant and minds need not be open, its just a 'rant' sp move on.
I referred to SJW's as a current meme for a subfaction that most certainly does exist. SJW probably is derogatory but then is so much else, including just from this thread labels such as far/alt right. These are common handles, and while it would be derogatory to label and individual here as far right or an SJW without proof, I'm not doing that. References to the phenomenon itself are not derogatory, merely controversial, and we should be able to handle controversial topics through reasoned critique.
There is a distinction between the topic of a post and the post itself. One can talk about the SJW phenomenon under any language, I prefer to use the common dialectic. Whether any specific comment is a 'rant' or not is deterministic on the post itself, not it's content and is a form of adhominem attack when there is a logical structure to what one posts, and my posts are always content driven. It may not be content you like, but that deosnt make it a 'rant'.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
In my experience, to be English is to get very nervous when confronted by anything Northern Irish. I go over to England and open my mouth, they get nervous. My English cousins come over here and it’s all “why are all the police carrying guns? And why do all the walls have paintings of men in masks with guns? Am I going to be shot?” So silly.
Future War Cultist wrote: In my experience, to be English is to get very nervous when confronted by anything Northern Irish. I go over to England and open my mouth, they get nervous. My English cousins come over here and it’s all “why are all the police carrying guns? And why do all the walls have paintings of men in masks with guns? Am I going to be shot?” So silly.
I thought all that was just to discourage them nearby Liverpuds from out staying their welcome
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
AlmightyWalrus wrote: "Rant" is negatively loaded but "SJW" is completely not a derogatory term at all.
Rant is loaded because it is used to shut down another persons commentary.
And labelling someone an SJW isn't?
The difference between "alt-right", "far right" and "SJW" is that only one of them was created as a label to attack political opponents. "Alt-right" and "far right" are both in relation to the "ordinary" or "normal" right and thus perfectly usable in scientific discourse because they're relational; "SJW" exists as a buzzword to attack people, with absolutely no way of defining it beyond "those people on the left that I disagree with". I get the point that it's a convenient handle for a political group of people, but it's also hopelessly subjective in a way that "far right" and "alt right" isn't (that's not to say they're not more than a little subjective too, just that there's a difference in both degree and kind).
Of note is also the fact that there are people that actually call themselves "alt right", whereas you'd have to look very hard to find anyone even remotely prominent that wears "SJW" like a badge of honour. If "blacks" as a term of self-identification makes it "safe from rational attempts to claim insult", as you put it (which I'd probably agree with entirely BTW) then "alt right" should be extended the same courtesy, no?
Hence you're ranting, because "SJW" as a label is completely meaningless beyond "people on the left that I disagree with". Your posts are thus judged in exactly the same way that a long treatise on what effect "libtards" or "special snowflakes" are having on society. If the premise you're starting from is one that's been created for the purpose of denigrating one's political opponents then it doesn't matter how eloquently you express yourself because the end result still becomes a rant against people of a political view that you don't share. As you noted yourself, a rant doesn't have to be wrong, but it's not something people will bother reading because it shows that you're not arguing in good faith.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: "Rant" is negatively loaded but "SJW" is completely not a derogatory term at all.
Rant is loaded because it is used to shut down another persons commentary.
And labelling someone an SJW isn't?
The difference between "alt-right", "far right" and "SJW" is that only one of them was created as a label to attack political opponents. "Alt-right" and "far right" are both in relation to the "ordinary" or "normal" right and thus perfectly usable in scientific discourse because they're relational; "SJW" exists as a buzzword to attack people, with absolutely no way of defining it beyond "those people on the left that I disagree with". I get the point that it's a convenient handle for a political group of people, but it's also hopelessly subjective in a way that "far right" and "alt right" isn't (that's not to say they're not more than a little subjective too, just that there's a difference in both degree and kind).
Of note is also the fact that there are people that actually call themselves "alt right", whereas you'd have to look very hard to find anyone even remotely prominent that wears "SJW" like a badge of honour. If "blacks" as a term of self-identification makes it "safe from rational attempts to claim insult", as you put it (which I'd probably agree with entirely BTW) then "alt right" should be extended the same courtesy, no?
Hence you're ranting, because "SJW" as a label is completely meaningless beyond "people on the left that I disagree with". Your posts are thus judged in exactly the same way that a long treatise on what effect "libtards" or "special snowflakes" are having on society. If the premise you're starting from is one that's been created for the purpose of denigrating one's political opponents then it doesn't matter how eloquently you express yourself because the end result still becomes a rant against people of a political view that you don't share. As you noted yourself, a rant doesn't have to be wrong, but it's not something people will bother reading because it shows that you're not arguing in good faith.
Are you seriously implying "far right" was not a label invented to attack certain political positions? It is relational, yes, and that is exactly where the problem with the label lies as it implies that "far right" is not 'normal', that it lies beyond 'serious' politics, and its definition shifts depending on the political position of the speaker. "Far right" does not have a precise definition and is as much of a buzzword as "SJW" is, or terms such as "fascist" and "communist". They are all labels used to shut down the opinions of a certain group without actually engaging with their arguments. If you want to seriously engage someone in a political discussion you should avoid using such labels entirely.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: "Rant" is negatively loaded but "SJW" is completely not a derogatory term at all.
Rant is loaded because it is used to shut down another persons commentary.
And labelling someone an SJW isn't?
The difference between "alt-right", "far right" and "SJW" is that only one of them was created as a label to attack political opponents. "Alt-right" and "far right" are both in relation to the "ordinary" or "normal" right and thus perfectly usable in scientific discourse because they're relational; "SJW" exists as a buzzword to attack people, with absolutely no way of defining it beyond "those people on the left that I disagree with". I get the point that it's a convenient handle for a political group of people, but it's also hopelessly subjective in a way that "far right" and "alt right" isn't (that's not to say they're not more than a little subjective too, just that there's a difference in both degree and kind).
Of note is also the fact that there are people that actually call themselves "alt right", whereas you'd have to look very hard to find anyone even remotely prominent that wears "SJW" like a badge of honour. If "blacks" as a term of self-identification makes it "safe from rational attempts to claim insult", as you put it (which I'd probably agree with entirely BTW) then "alt right" should be extended the same courtesy, no?
Hence you're ranting, because "SJW" as a label is completely meaningless beyond "people on the left that I disagree with". Your posts are thus judged in exactly the same way that a long treatise on what effect "libtards" or "special snowflakes" are having on society. If the premise you're starting from is one that's been created for the purpose of denigrating one's political opponents then it doesn't matter how eloquently you express yourself because the end result still becomes a rant against people of a political view that you don't share. As you noted yourself, a rant doesn't have to be wrong, but it's not something people will bother reading because it shows that you're not arguing in good faith.
Are you seriously implying "far right" was not a label invented to attack certain political positions? It is relational, yes, and that is exactly where the problem with the label lies as it implies that "far right" is not 'normal', that it lies beyond 'serious' politics, and its definition shifts depending on the political position of the speaker. "Far right" does not have a precise definition and is as much of a buzzword as "SJW" is, or terms such as "fascist" and "communist". They are all labels used to shut down the opinions of a certain group without actually engaging with their arguments. If you want to seriously engage someone in a political discussion you should avoid using such labels entirely.
What the feth has any of this gak got to do with the topic of this thread?
Here’s a novel idea for everyone involved with this derailment. How about dropping that crap and arguing it in PMs or a new thread of your own before you get this nice light hearted thread locked. How’s that sound?
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Future War Cultist wrote: How about dropping that crap and arguing it in PMs or a new thread of your own before you get this nice light hearted thread locked.
Future War Cultist wrote: How about dropping that crap and arguing it in PMs or a new thread of your own before you get this nice light hearted thread locked.
This is good advice.
Thanks!
Second that emotion.
Are patterns of dress any different in areas of Englandia? How would traditional English compare themselves to Canadians and fair Canadia?*
*trufact, you can actually annoy Canadians by calling Canada Canadia..tee hee...
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Here’s a novel idea for everyone involved with this derailment. How about dropping that crap and arguing it in PMs or a new thread of your own......
This is relevant to the topic, however the commentary on English culture and the political overtones related to its changes have been argued on the semantics involved more than the policies. However that too is indicative. There is a lot of labelling involved, criticise failures in multi-culturalism, and some will assume you must be far right. The SJW phenomenon is an extension of that. This turns the critique full circle, though the latter stage is political evolution and not sequential policy. Subtle difference but a difference nonetheless.
before you get this nice light hearted thread locked. How’s that sound?
Interesting. Maybe you seem to think national identity is a 'trivia' or maybe even a 'joke' subject, it's most certainly serious topic elsewhere including elsewhere in the UK. Do you think that English cultural identity is a fringe topic, is that the ideology of your peer group? What age range is said peer group?
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
AndrewGPaul wrote: a) part of England, b) not part of the island of Great Britain.
The isle of Man is its own weird thing, but is again a separate island.)
true that, the Isle of Wight just feels like a bit of Hampshire/Sussex that accidentally detached and drifted off till releasing it was getting closer to the France and stopped
the Isle of Man feels like its from 'elsewhere' and the TT is an elaborate blood sacrifice to appease the old gods
The Needles Battery is actually the bridge of HMS Isle of Wight piloting it into the Atlantic to get away from the rest of Great Britain
What the feth has any of this gak got to do with the topic of this thread?
Quite a bit actually. This is about English culture, which some believe, and evidently others dont has been suvertd for political gain.
The entire point of being English is to not take things like English culture seriously. Anyone who does is clearly a foreign type of some kind or probably sporting tattoos of an unsalubrious type. We don't hold truck with all that terribly vulgar flag waving and national pride malarkey over here. Even knowing all the words to the national anthem is awfully suspect (which at least has decency to be suitably dreary and boring).
It's a terribly slippery slope after all. One minute you're boasting about how great you are at football compared to Spain, the next you've accidentally won the Race for Africa and conquered half the world just because someone fired a starting pistol. And then having done so, you've got to pay to upkeep it all, as our American cousins are learning. Far better to simply abstain from all that jingoistic self-congratulatory rhetoric in the first place, and spend the extra cash on cream teas and Pimms.
After all, when you know you're the best, why be gauche and shove it in other people's faces? We know, and that's good enough. It's why we lose at cricket; we've got to give the rest of the world something to feel good about.
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Here’s a novel idea for everyone involved with this derailment. How about dropping that crap and arguing it in PMs or a new thread of your own......
This is relevant to the topic, however the commentary on English culture and the political overtones related to its changes have been argued on the semantics involved more than the policies. However that too is indicative. There is a lot of labelling involved, criticise failures in multi-culturalism, and some will assume you must be far right. The SJW phenomenon is an extension of that. This turns the critique full circle, though the latter stage is political evolution and not sequential policy. Subtle difference but a difference nonetheless.
before you get this nice light hearted thread locked. How’s that sound?
Interesting. Maybe you seem to think national identity is a 'trivia' or maybe even a 'joke' subject, it's most certainly serious topic elsewhere including elsewhere in the UK. Do you think that English cultural identity is a fringe topic, is that the ideology of your peer group? What age range is said peer group?
Oh no, I think English cultural identity is very important. I actually agree with a good portion of the points you made, that ‘English’ has almost become a dirty word. I just thought that this was a more causal thread that looked in danger of getting locked. Apologies for snapping at you.
And we’re late 20s btw.
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Zingraff wrote: I don't understand why English cooking is always treated like a standing joke, it's notably superior to Norwegian cooking, and our food isn't that bad.
While our home cooking was never that bad our institutional cooking has been (and in some cases still is) terrible, with far too many vegetables boiled to the point of inedibility
Zingraff wrote: I don't understand why English cooking is always treated like a standing joke, it's notably superior to Norwegian cooking, and our food isn't that bad.
While our home cooking was never that bad our institutional cooking has been (and in some cases still is) terrible, with far too many vegetables boiled to the point of inedibility
doesn't help that sprouts are inedible to start with and shouldn't even be used as animal feed lest it taints the meat
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Zingraff wrote: I don't understand why English cooking is always treated like a standing joke, it's notably superior to Norwegian cooking, and our food isn't that bad.
While our home cooking was never that bad our institutional cooking has been (and in some cases still is) terrible, with far too many vegetables boiled to the point of inedibility
doesn't help that sprouts are inedible to start with and shouldn't even be used as animal feed lest it taints the meat
Obviously not. It is no coincidence that cooked Brussels sprouts smell like sulfur. Hell also smells like sulfur. Clearly that is where Brussels sprouts come from. Absolutely not edible for neither man nor beast.
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