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geargutz wrote:
at this point its the straw man they pull out to make many ork players look bad. when they should be pulling out a looted scar crow with mega rotor deffgun and a nice crab power claw to make orks look awesome.

This is the impression I'm getting too. Also I'd loot dat scarecrow.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

geargutz wrote:
at this point its the straw man they pull out to make many ork players look bad. when they should be pulling out a looted scar crow with mega rotor deffgun and a nice crab power claw to make orks look awesome.

This is the impression I'm getting too. Also I'd loot dat scarecrow.

yuh want it?! see me in da foit pit, we will slog it out for da dakka straw git!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've asked for this before and it wasn't forthcoming then so I suspect it won't be now but please provide some evidence of all these Ork players 'bitching, whining and moaning about not getting info instead'. Please show me where an Ork player has said 'how dare GW release something for another army.instead of mine'?

Try the GW facebook page. The user posts tend to get deleted but the comments in the announcement posts don't.

A.T. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've asked for this before and it wasn't forthcoming then so I suspect it won't be now but please provide some evidence of all these Ork players 'bitching, whining and moaning about not getting info instead'. Please show me where an Ork player has said 'how dare GW release something for another army.instead of mine'?

Try the GW facebook page. The user posts tend to get deleted but the comments in the announcement posts don't.

I'm on the facebook posts pretty regularly. The worst thing I see is a guy counting the days from codex announcement to release and to be honest even that is pretty lighthearted. I'm not seeing what you or they claim.

A.T. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
GAAAH! How long that "orks in november" bogus idea survives?

Until it does/doesn't happen I guess. I was just quoting the post where I had seen the gorkamorka rumours.

It basically is already bogus. Wolves preorder next week. GW puts out codexes they have announced as next close to each other. Thus september middle is where we can expect ork codex for preorder

tneva82 wrote:

A.T. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
GAAAH! How long that "orks in november" bogus idea survives?

Until it does/doesn't happen I guess. I was just quoting the post where I had seen the gorkamorka rumours.

It basically is already bogus. Wolves preorder next week. GW puts out codexes they have announced as next close to each other. Thus september middle is where we can expect ork codex for preorder

I suppose it's possiable GW could spend the next month and a half after that focusing on AOS and not giving Orks anything but I agree, early to mid sept seems more likely.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

A.T. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
GAAAH! How long that "orks in november" bogus idea survives?

Until it does/doesn't happen I guess. I was just quoting the post where I had seen the gorkamorka rumours.

It basically is already bogus. Wolves preorder next week. GW puts out codexes they have announced as next close to each other. Thus september middle is where we can expect ork codex for preorder

I suppose it's possiable GW could spend the next month and a half after that focusing on AOS and not giving Orks anything but I agree, early to mid sept seems more likely.

Like "GW releases knights in august after AOS2" that many claimed before knight codex was released?-)

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm not seeing what you or they claim.

I have made no claims in this thread.
"They" should be addressed directly.
Your mileage may vary on what counts as "bitching, whining, and moaning", though if the worst you've seen is the guy posting in _every single thread_ about orks you have both not been looking very hard and have a fairly forgiving view of what constitutes whining.

A.T. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I'm not seeing what you or they claim.

I have made no claims in this thread.
"They" should be addressed directly.
Your mileage may vary on what counts as "bitching, whining, and moaning", though if the worst you've seen is the guy posting in _every single thread_ about orks you have both not been looking very hard and have a fairly forgiving view of what constitutes whining.

So it sounds like you are making claims when you say things like the bold text above.

So, basically, you can't provide any proof? It's not my job to go and find something that I don't believe exists. From what I've seen, the posting has been no different from Space Wolves, Space Marine players generally, Dark Eldar players and any other segment of the hobby. If you believe otherwise, please show your evidence to the contrary. If you don't have any evidence, I suggest your claims are false.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
So it sounds like you are making claims when you say things like the bold text above.

Sounds like you are debating in bad faith.

I'm out.

A.T. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
So it sounds like you are making claims when you say things like the bold text above.

Sounds like you are debating in bad faith.

I'm out.

I think "debating in bad faith" is claiming something that you're unable to provide evidence for when asked.

I asked for evidence of something and you pointed me towards a facebook page that you claimed would be evidence. I have looked and can't find anything that constitutes the claims I've seen in here. Then you leave the discussion when I ask for actual evidence rather than nothing.....alrighty then.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

geargutz wrote:
some say ork players are rightfully disappointed

others say ork players are entitled whiners

All we know is... he’s called the Squig. </Clarkson>

Absolute best comment of the day!


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Ohh on a sad note (possibly) I was reading an Ork Facebook groups post on the "Leak" someone mentioned that it was an older box game they showed at an event years ago and never made into anything. I haven't had a chance to look or research but that doesn't sound to far off, something about the box design seems odd compared to other 8th edition stuff. If anyone finds out some info please let us know.

Short of the Codex rendering Orks *literally* unplayable (which won’t happen) – as opposed to the hyperbolic “unplayable” that gets tossed about on the internet willy-nilly – I’ll certainly carry on playing them once it drops. As I’m sure plenty of other people will. But hey, let’s not let that get in the way of chucking around dramatic, sweeping statements for attention, eh?

 Nazrak wrote:
Short of the Codex rendering Orks *literally* unplayable (which won’t happen) – as opposed to the hyperbolic “unplayable” that gets tossed about on the internet willy-nilly – I’ll certainly carry on playing them once it drops. As I’m sure plenty of other people will. But hey, let’s not let that get in the way of chucking around dramatic, sweeping statements for attention, eh?

hold the bloody phone, resurgence of orks spilling out of every bunker, pit, and "the drops" coming soon, we got a bloody leak and its not even form GW. the ork community is saved!

https://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2018/08/speed-freeks-zdjecia-wyprasek-i-planszy.html

im more then happy right now, im over da mooon riding a nicked stormboy roket!!! :

geargutz wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Short of the Codex rendering Orks *literally* unplayable (which won’t happen) – as opposed to the hyperbolic “unplayable” that gets tossed about on the internet willy-nilly – I’ll certainly carry on playing them once it drops. As I’m sure plenty of other people will. But hey, let’s not let that get in the way of chucking around dramatic, sweeping statements for attention, eh?

hold the bloody phone, resurgence of orks spilling out of every bunker, pit, and "the drops" coming soon, we got a bloody leak and its not even form GW. the ork community is saved!

https://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2018/08/speed-freeks-zdjecia-wyprasek-i-planszy.html

im more then happy right now, im over da mooon riding a nicked stormboy roket!!! :

And all it took was a little leak.... it's a shame GW didn't take the initiative with this.

SemperMortis wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

geargutz wrote:
some say ork players are rightfully disappointed

others say ork players are entitled whiners

All we know is... he’s called the Squig. </Clarkson>

Absolute best comment of the day!


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Ohh on a sad note (possibly) I was reading an Ork Facebook groups post on the "Leak" someone mentioned that it was an older box game they showed at an event years ago and never made into anything. I haven't had a chance to look or research but that doesn't sound to far off, something about the box design seems odd compared to other 8th edition stuff. If anyone finds out some info please let us know.

Well we've seen content pictures from the box that IMHO proves it's current. the beast arises sample chapter looks like it uses the cover art of the Beast Arises omnibus part 1. which is as far as I know, new art, also the interio sprues are coloured plastic, yellow and red (two classic Ork clan colours) the coloured plastic thing is new, only 2 or 3 years old tops. with it being first seen in 40k, with the Know no Fear box. This IMHO is damn near proof this is current upcoming product.

That said the Beast rises sample chapter is something that might be a bit dischouraging to Ork lovers...
It releases in October, Speed Freaks might not release until then. Or they might, after all, a month preview isnt that far and maybe some poor sucker'll buy the books independantly

 Overread wrote:
GW likely has rules or at least guidelines on the quality of paintwork and army that they want to promote. Ergo all current models, good quality painting etc... when they attend an event.

It's not just playing a game for them when they turn up to a major tournament; its marketing. Staff who had poorer painted forces or older or converted models might not be allowed; plus it might be that no members of staff who collect orks wanted to or was able to go (and didn't want another person taking their army).

GW might not even have considered it and just gone for ther own in-house show-armies to use

Well, when half the Ork range is a decade old, of course they won't have studio quality stuff. They shot themselves in the foot, and have no one but themselves to blame. It would be sad times, but I am hopeful for the next Ork dex.

They're releasing The Beast Arises books in a series of Omnibus' starting I think in September. I've pre-ordered them all from Amazon.


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I'm wrong with the dates, first one is 18th October according to Amazon.

i dont care at this moment when its going to come out (though of course the sooner the better).

this is what ive been asking for! a leak, a ray of skorching sunshine. ive haven't felt this hyped since the announcement of 8th edition. its been so long,

of course its unfortunately it didn't come form GW, but i could care less about that. this is bootiful

And all it took was a little leak.... it's a shame GW didn't take the initiative with this.

I would guess that this was supposed to be shown on Saturday on Warhammer Fest Europe, but some dude leaked it early.

geargutz wrote:
i dont care at this moment when its going to come out (though of course the sooner the better).

this is what ive been asking for! a leak, a ray of skorching sunshine. ive haven't felt this hyped since the announcement of 8th edition. its been so long,

of course its unfortunately it didn't come form GW, but i could care less about that. this is bootiful

Agreed on all accounts.

BrianDavion wrote:
That said the Beast rises sample chapter is something that might be a bit dischouraging to Ork lovers...
It releases in October, Speed Freaks might not release until then. Or they might, after all, a month preview isnt that far and maybe some poor sucker'll buy the books independantly

I don't think Ork players will care if it doesn't release until October or even later. This news is a blessing and is something to be celebrated.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

geargutz wrote:
i dont care at this moment when its going to come out (though of course the sooner the better).

this is what ive been asking for! a leak, a ray of skorching sunshine. ive haven't felt this hyped since the announcement of 8th edition. its been so long,

of course its unfortunately it didn't come form GW, but i could care less about that. this is bootiful

Agreed on all accounts.

BrianDavion wrote:
That said the Beast rises sample chapter is something that might be a bit dischouraging to Ork lovers...
It releases in October, Speed Freaks might not release until then. Or they might, after all, a month preview isnt that far and maybe some poor sucker'll buy the books independantly

I don't think Ork players will care if it doesn't release until October or even later. This news is a blessing and is something to be celebrated.

the might care if it means Codex Orks isn't until October as well which, admittingly is what I was thinking could be the case. but it seems unlikely once all the big summer releases are done we'll go a month+ between 'dexes

XuQishi wrote:

And all it took was a little leak.... it's a shame GW didn't take the initiative with this.

I would guess that this was supposed to be shown on Saturday on Warhammer Fest Europe, but some dude leaked it early.

Has GW habit of showcasing new products in Japanese though?

BrianDavion wrote:
the might care if it means Codex Orks isn't until October as well which, admittingly is what I was thinking could be the case. but it seems unlikely once all the big summer releases are done we'll go a month+ between 'dexes

True, some Ork players might. I wouldn't. I don't get the feeling many would either.

Has GW habit of showcasing new products in Japanese though?

Nah, I meant the game in general.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the might care if it means Codex Orks isn't until October as well which, admittingly is what I was thinking could be the case. but it seems unlikely once all the big summer releases are done we'll go a month+ between 'dexes

True, some Ork players might. I wouldn't. I don't get the feeling many would either.

I think the big question would be "whats in september?" in that case.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Remember when GW accidentally displayed Magnus and Morty before release? Nor me. It was on purpose,

yeah see, thing is space marine players didn't bitch whine and moan about "why aren't we getting info instead" nor did death guard players begrudge space marines their release.

Honestly this whole "ohh how dare GW release something for another army instead of mine" childishness is rediculas, yet you see it all the time, people just need to chill. this is no longer the days when you could go 2-3 editions without a codex. A year isn't that long to wait for something

I've asked for this before and it wasn't forthcoming then so I suspect it won't be now but please provide some evidence of all these Ork players 'bitching, whining and moaning about not getting info instead'. Please show me where an Ork player has said 'how dare GW release something for another army.instead of mine'?

I haven't seen it. You're complaining about a problem that only exists in your own mind.

I said exactly that when they announced custodes. I was pretty miffed that they'd been working on a new faction behind the scenes before they had adressed the gameplay of what already exists

Im not sure ork players are dropping off, we are just waiting. Look at the Speed Freek rumors in the Rumore section. That thread is as long or longer than the SW/GSC thread and thats for CONFRIMED MODELS AND CODEX (which also started 2 days earlier). Orks Tactics thread is by far the longest one despite being index only (though its mostly wishlisting now, though In terms of pure tactics disucssion its still probably top 2 in terms of length). We even have our own discussion thread.

Everyone is just waiting around, but we are still there the second anything new Ork related shows its head

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
tl;dr: Sisters don't count due to actually being promised updates (Orks weren't), GSC were only announced due to GW goofing and accidently putting models out early and basically don't get on the hype train until you see pictures because you'll live a happier life.

Ah so Sisters 'don't count' because.....reasons. GSC were an 'accident' so they don't count. "I hate it when I accidentally display new models instead of the current line, what a common mistake to make" said GW, never. Remember when GW accidentally displayed Magnus and Morty before release? Nor me. It was on purpose, don't be so naive. Then finally, don't assume a company is going to do the exact same thing it has done with every other release to date and then express an opinion when you're one of 2 factions treated differently.

Great feedback.

Sisters were specifically promised to be kept updated as they're developed, Orks weren't promised anything other than being "soon". Ergo they can't count as an example of GW just tossing out information early because they were given something Orks weren't: an actual promise of more information. If Space Wolves, Imperial Knights, Death Watch or any other codex that's come out this year had an actual update of information prior to the one week before the date of preorder you'd have an arguement because GW didn't make special exemption to any of those armies to drip feed them info early.

And some staffer fecked up and put the new GSC out too early at Warhammer World, hence the announcement and the later clarification that said new models weren't indicitive of a codex being released yet. But keep moving those goal posts to try and justify that GW secretly hates Orks and is punishing you for...reasons.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
FYI it looks like GW have taken steps to curb the Ork player's sentiments by releasing a pic of an Ork themed stand alone racing game. So it looks like they don't agree with your sentiment that its the consumers fault for assuming continuity and consistency with releases and marketing strategy.

Stop drinking the koolaid and attacking customers. Sometimes a company fcks up. Here is an example of that.

Squeaky wheels get greased (eventually)? Or someone leaked it without permission (wouldn't be the first time that's happened). Either way, learn from someone who is more experienced at being disappointed by jumping the hype train to early: don't.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Squeaky wheels get greased (eventually)? Or someone leaked it without permission (wouldn't be the first time that's happened). Either way, learn from someone who is more experienced at being disappointed by jumping the hype train to early: don't.

I'm so on the new Buggy hype train that I don't think I'm going to be able to function as a normal human being for a few days.

The train has no brakes.

Help.