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**AlmightyWalrus**

I think the point was that Poles usually are neither black nor asian.

Which of course begs the question why it's OK to want to specifically look for a Pole all of a sudden.

**Mr Nobody**

I must say Yennefer, only because the books went to such lengths to show the complicated relationship between her and Geralt. Not much Triss in the books if I remember correctly.

As for the whole Ciri thing. She does have elf blood, and there's nothing about the inter-dimensional elves that says they have to be Tolkien style elves.

**djones520**

dogma wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Polish people are not "Black/Asian Minority Ethnic".

Really? Because in Chicago, where there a lot of people who are Polish or of Polish descent, actual Polish immigrants are considered an ethnic minority.

Tannhauser42 wrote:

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

I imagine that, in a world without birth control, a strapping man that can't get you knocked up is a pretty desirable dalliance.

As for the original question: Triss. Yen's appearance is the result of sorcery. That may seem shallow, but you can't trust a person who puts on that kind of mask.

I believe it was pretty heavily implied that almost all of the Sorceresses appearances were magically altered.

**dogma**

djones520 wrote:

I believe it was pretty heavily implied that almost all of the Sorceresses appearances were magically altered.

Yen is outright stated to be both a hunchback, and over 100.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

**Lance845**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

It really blows my mind how willingly everyone forgives triss for the absolute gak person she is.

At least with yen you can go... Well.. Geralt made that wish with a genie. So yen is constantly unsure if she actually likes geralt or if shes just had her free will stripped from her by some ass hole. Which is more or less equivalent to mind control and rape, but shes not actually capable of feeling how upset she should be because of the effects of the wish. She can logically work it out, but her emotions cant follow through.

More than anyone in this love triangle yen is the closest thing to an innocent whos had every other person involved feth her over and strip her of her own agency.

She gets to be an ass hole. She earned it.

**dogma**

Lance845 wrote:

At least with yen you can go... Well.. Geralt made that wish with a genie. So yen is constantly unsure if she actually likes geralt or if shes just had her free will stripped from her by some ass hole. Which is more or less equivalent to mind control and rape, but shes not actually capable of feeling how upset she should be because of the effects of the wish. She can logically work it out, but her emotions cant follow through.

Would you want to be with this person? With a sociopath?

**Dreadwinter**

Lance845 wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

It really blows my mind how willingly everyone forgives triss for the absolute gak person she is.

At least with yen you can go... Well.. Geralt made that wish with a genie. So yen is constantly unsure if she actually likes geralt or if shes just had her free will stripped from her by some ass hole. Which is more or less equivalent to mind control and rape, but shes not actually capable of feeling how upset she should be because of the effects of the wish. She can logically work it out, but her emotions cant follow through.

More than anyone in this love triangle yen is the closest thing to an innocent whos had every other person involved feth her over and strip her of her own agency.

She gets to be an ass hole. She earned it.

Sure, what Geralt did was absolutely nuts and terrible. But by the time she meets Geralt to run her little game on him, she had been doing it for decades at a time. Basically Geralt cut her off before she could do her little disappearing act and vanish with whatever she wanted, leaving everybody else holding the bill and their pants. Lets not pretend she is some saint. Yen is just an awful person. Triss is only bad in that she hooked up with her besties man. The one Yen was always ditching for years at a time to move away and hook up with other men. The one Yen always treated like a gakky tool instead of a significant other.

Triss legitimately loves Geralt. Geralt loves both of them. Yen loves* Geralt. Yen may have actually fallen in love with Geralt, it is heavily implied. But for an independent woman, she takes her sweet time finding a way to break the genies wish. More likely she just enjoyed having a man who can kill whatever she wants attached to her.

*Due to Genie Wish

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

How do you figure that?

**Lance845**

dogma wrote:
Lance845 wrote:

At least with yen you can go... Well.. Geralt made that wish with a genie. So yen is constantly unsure if she actually likes geralt or if shes just had her free will stripped from her by some ass hole. Which is more or less equivalent to mind control and rape, but shes not actually capable of feeling how upset she should be because of the effects of the wish. She can logically work it out, but her emotions cant follow through.

Would you want to be with this person? With a sociopath?

I wouldn't be with ANY of these people. They are ALL terrible.

Geralt is a piece of a gak for mind controlling Yen. Yens a piece of gak for running a con man scheme on men. Triss is a piece of gak for abusing a amnesiac to do exactly what Geralt did to Yen with the added caveat that she also fethed over her best friend in the process.

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Dreadwinter wrote:
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

How do you figure that?

You know how if you have sex with someone who is too wasted to say "no" that you raped them even if sober they MIGHT have said yes because they were too gone to make an actual choice?

Well, if you find an amnesiac and then you twist things around so that they live the life you want them to instead of living their actual life, for your own gain, including getting sex out of it then it's also rape. You're a gak person who used somebodies broken mental state to get laid.

Yennifer might be a massive con artist who lies and manipulates to get what she wants and then disappears but at least every person she does it too is of their right mind to make the choice. Geralt and Triss on the other hand...

What Geralt does to Yen and Triss does to Geralt isn't far removed from what Kilgrave (the Purple Man) does to Jessica Jones.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Dreadwinter wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

It really blows my mind how willingly everyone forgives triss for the absolute gak person she is.

At least with yen you can go... Well.. Geralt made that wish with a genie. So yen is constantly unsure if she actually likes geralt or if shes just had her free will stripped from her by some ass hole. Which is more or less equivalent to mind control and rape, but shes not actually capable of feeling how upset she should be because of the effects of the wish. She can logically work it out, but her emotions cant follow through.

More than anyone in this love triangle yen is the closest thing to an innocent whos had every other person involved feth her over and strip her of her own agency.

She gets to be an ass hole. She earned it.

Sure, what Geralt did was absolutely nuts and terrible. But by the time she meets Geralt to run her little game on him, she had been doing it for decades at a time. Basically Geralt cut her off before she could do her little disappearing act and vanish with whatever she wanted, leaving everybody else holding the bill and their pants. Lets not pretend she is some saint. Yen is just an awful person. Triss is only bad in that she hooked up with her besties man. The one Yen was always ditching for years at a time to move away and hook up with other men. The one Yen always treated like a gakky tool instead of a significant other.

Triss legitimately loves Geralt. Geralt loves both of them. Yen loves* Geralt. Yen may have actually fallen in love with Geralt, it is heavily implied. But for an independent woman, she takes her sweet time finding a way to break the genies wish. More likely she just enjoyed having a man who can kill whatever she wants attached to her.

*Due to Genie Wish

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Consider if your significant other had amnesia while you were on vacation so your best friend decided to move in on them since they cant remember you.

Triss is that friend. She doesnt even feel bad about it.

Keep in mind that, as far as Triss knew at the time of the first game, Yennefer was dead. So, Geralt was an open playing field again. Very open, considering just how many encounters Geralt can have with the ladies in the first game.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she willingly manipulated an amnesiac for her own gain. Triss is one of the most vile characters in the series.

How do you figure that?

Do I really need to explain how taking advantage of an amnesiac for personal gain is vile?

**Mysterio**

Probably not, as someone else already did about 7 hours before you...

**Tannhauser42**

I must be missing something, because I don't remember the books explicitly starting what Geralt's last wish actually was. So why the assumption that Geralt forced Yen to love him? The only in-book explanation I remember is that the only way to save Yen would be for Geralt to wish for their fates to be bound together.

**Lance845**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I must be missing something, because I don't remember the books explicitly starting what Geralt's last wish actually was. So why the assumption that Geralt forced Yen to love him? The only in-book explanation I remember is that the only way to save Yen would be for Geralt to wish for their fates to be bound together.

Its in the games. And to be fair, Geralt with the Genie didnt understand the consequences of the wish he made. But not understanding the consequences and having sex with her repeatedly after the fact are 2 different things. Yen and Geralt are always concerned that their feelings for each other are only a part of the wish. And in witcher 3 there is even dialog choices that make that true.

But Triss... fething Triss. She KNOWS what shes doing when geralt has amnesia. She just sees opportunity and pounces.

**Tannhauser42**

I am well aware of the games' treatment regarding the last wish, and I don't recall the games explicitly stating what it was either, just the effects of it.

**dogma**

Lance845 wrote:

You know how if you have sex with someone who is too wasted to say "no" that you raped them even if sober they MIGHT have said yes because they were too gone to make an actual choice?

He was killed and subsequently revived, that is not at all the same thing as drinking too much.

Lance845 wrote:

Well, if you find an amnesiac and then you twist things around so that they live the life you want them to instead of living their actual life, for your own gain..

His amnesia is a narrative convenience; what would his "actual life" be?

**Lance845**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I am well aware of the games' treatment regarding the last wish, and I don't recall the games explicitly stating what it was either, just the effects of it.

Sure. So?

It doesnt matter exactly what it was. What matters is what its done to her and that it was done to her, good intentions or not, by him.

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dogma wrote:
Lance845 wrote:

You know how if you have sex with someone who is too wasted to say "no" that you raped them even if sober they MIGHT have said yes because they were too gone to make an actual choice?

He was killed and subsequently revived, that is not at all the same thing as drinking too much.

And? What put him in a broken state doesnt actually matter. Triss saw the broken state and took advantage.

Lance845 wrote:

Well, if you find an amnesiac and then you twist things around so that they live the life you want them to instead of living their actual life, for your own gain..

His amnesia is a narrative convenience; what would his "actual life" be?

He had an adopted daughter and a women he was in love with that was Triss's best friend. Triss was the person who could and should have taken him home to the wolf school castle and/or helped him regain his memory. Instead she used it as a chance to get her feth on.

**dogma**

Lance845 wrote:

And? What put him in a broken state doesnt actually matter. Triss saw the broken state and took advantage.

It doesn't matter that his parents made him a Witcher?

Lance845 wrote:

He had an adopted daughter and a women he was in love with that was Triss's best friend. Triss was the person who could and should have taken him home to the wolf school castle and/or helped him regain his memory. Instead she used it as a chance to get her feth on.

Geralt, being fully of his own mind, could have said no.

**Mr Nobody**

I would just like to point out that most, if not all the sorcerers were quite manipulative and self centered sociopaths in the books. Including Yennefer and Triss.

I would also like to point out that Geralt slept with everyone, with or without amnesia.

**Tannhauser42**

Lance845 wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
I am well aware of the games' treatment regarding the last wish, and I don't recall the games explicitly stating what it was either, just the effects of it.

Sure. So?

It doesnt matter exactly what it was. What matters is what its done to her and that it was done to her, good intentions or not, by him.

Let's be clear on this, it wasn't just done "to her" as it was done to him, as well. In order to save her life, he wished for their fates to be intertwined, there is no mention anywhere that he wished for them to love each other (they did not, in fact, like each other one bit when they met in that story). The love part is a side effect of how the djinn fulfilled the wish (that ever popular "corrupt-a-wish" in action). To claim that Geralt forced her to love him is simply untrue, because he didn't do that, the djinn did that.

He had an adopted daughter and a women he was in love with that was Triss's best friend. Triss was the person who could and should have taken him home to the wolf school castle and/or helped him regain his memory. Instead she used it as a chance to get her feth on.

And, at this point, I think I'm done. It's clear you never even played the first game, because that's precisely how it fething starts, with Geralt found and taken to Kaer Morhen where the other Witchers and Triss do all they can to help him.

**Lance845**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Tannhauser42 wrote:
I am well aware of the games' treatment regarding the last wish, and I don't recall the games explicitly stating what it was either, just the effects of it.

Sure. So?

It doesnt matter exactly what it was. What matters is what its done to her and that it was done to her, good intentions or not, by him.

Let's be clear on this, it wasn't just done "to her" as it was done to him, as well. In order to save her life, he wished for their fates to be intertwined, there is no mention anywhere that he wished for them to love each other (they did not, in fact, like each other one bit when they met in that story). The love part is a side effect of how the djinn fulfilled the wish (that ever popular "corrupt-a-wish" in action). To claim that Geralt forced her to love him is simply untrue, because he didn't do that, the djinn did that.

100% true that the Djinn did the actual wish fulfillment. Also 100% true that it was Geralt that made the wish. I didn't say Geralt INTENTIONALLY forced Yen to love him. In fact I mentioned that his intentions didn't matter. The EFFECT of HIS actions is something SHE has to suffer the consequences of. That Geralt is ALSO suffering the consequences of his actions isn't something to pitty Geralt for. They were his actions. He SHOULD suffer the consequences of them.

He had an adopted daughter and a women he was in love with that was Triss's best friend. Triss was the person who could and should have taken him home to the wolf school castle and/or helped him regain his memory. Instead she used it as a chance to get her feth on.

And, at this point, I think I'm done. It's clear you never even played the first game, because that's precisely how it fething starts, with Geralt found and taken to Kaer Morhen where the other Witchers and Triss do all they can to help him.

Yeah, and then what does Triss do? Did she bang him in Kaer Morhen? Yes she did.

**Yodhrin**

"Intentions shouldn't matter"? Errr, no that's not how it works.

If you tell your employee "Make some sandwiches for our meeting later" and they poison everyone, they are the ones responsible for that, not you because you asked them to make sandwiches.

**Galas**

Yeah... I don't think making a wish to save someones life that then gets twisted so you two end up fictionally loving each other is the same as wishing for someone to love you. Like. Nothing alike. Even if the end result is the same.

Also... isn't Geralt like... banging every woman he encounters, both in the games and in the books, even when he is supposed to be in a relationship with Yenn?

**Lance845**

Its closer to, if my intention is to bake you a cake to lift your spirits and instead that cake makes you spend the afternoon gaking your brains out then it doesnt matter how good my intentions were you are still paying for my actions.

Geralt intended to save her life. So he made a wish with an entity known to feth with everyone and twist the wishes they grant in unexpected and unintended ways. As a result Yen pays for geralts actions.

Also, i never said geralt was a great guy to be in a relationship with either. In fact i said they were all bad people. Geralt will and does feth everything he meets.

**Dreadwinter**

Saying Geralt was taken advantage of by Triss is probably the funniest interpretation of the events I have seen. Kind of like the interpretation that Geralt somehow took advantage of Yen with the wish.

Geralt would have slept with Triss with or without the amnesia and the wish was very underpowered. For a wish making the two "love" each other, they sure spent a lot of time apart. Like, years apart at a time without seeing or talking to each other.

Sounds like a gakky wish.

**Lance845**

Each person is individually responsible for their own actions. Yeah, geralts a gak person who would bang triss anyway.

On the other hand triss is a gak person who lept at that specific opportunity to get banged. She COULD have been a good enough person to not do it then. But she wasnt and she did.

Yen spends years trying to get away from geralt specifically because of the wish and always ends up back in his life anyway because of the wish.

**Dreadwinter**

Lance845 wrote:
Each person is individually responsible for their own actions. Yeah, geralts a gak person who would bang triss anyway.

On the other hand triss is a gak person who lept at that specific opportunity to get banged. She COULD have been a good enough person to not do it then. But she wasnt and she did.

Yen spends years trying to get away from geralt specifically because of the wish and always ends up back in his life anyway because of the wish.

So you could interpret the wish as connecting their destinies and not forcing Yen in to love. It seems they always find each other again but nothing keeps them together. So they could find each other by destiny, say hey, then vanish for years at a time.

As for Triss, you are blaming her for human nature. "She slept with a man who is known for sleeping around with lots of women! WHAT A TERRIBLE PERSON!" Doesn't really have a lot of weight to it. You can't even say she was attempting to steal him from Yen here.

**Lance845**

Dreadwinter wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Each person is individually responsible for their own actions. Yeah, geralts a gak person who would bang triss anyway.

On the other hand triss is a gak person who lept at that specific opportunity to get banged. She COULD have been a good enough person to not do it then. But she wasnt and she did.

Yen spends years trying to get away from geralt specifically because of the wish and always ends up back in his life anyway because of the wish.

So you could interpret the wish as connecting their destinies and not forcing Yen in to love. It seems they always find each other again but nothing keeps them together. So they could find each other by destiny, say hey, then vanish for years at a time.

You feel free to interpret the effects of the wish however you want to. In fact Witcher 3 lets you do just that. One of the options has all of yours (Geralts) and Yens feelings disappear as soon as the wish is undone. Another has your feelings stay. That wasn't the point though. The point was that Yen, for years, didn't know and couldn't know because of the wish. Her running away from Geralt is her being unsure because she can't be sure because of the wish. Something SHE didn't choose. Something that was chosen for her, intentionally or not, by Geralt.

As for Triss, you are blaming her for human nature. "She slept with a man who is known for sleeping around with lots of women! WHAT A TERRIBLE PERSON!" Doesn't really have a lot of weight to it. You can't even say she was attempting to steal him from Yen here.

No. Triss sleeping with a dude who is known for sleeping around is one thing.

Triss sleeping with that dude when he was mentally broken and she knew it is terrible.

Her doing it when that dude was an item of her best friend is just icing on the terrible person cake.

Again, take your significant other. Give them amnesia. Have YOUR best friend who, turns out, has been carrying a flame for your partner decide "nows my chance!" and then use their amnesia to get their rocks off with the person they had always pined after. Apparently you would high five your friend and tell them good on them for taking advantage of your partners vulnerable state for personal gain? Great.

**Galas**

If my partner is someone I actually don't know if I like and is famous for having sex with everybody in something I assume is some kind of open relationship (I doubt Yenneffer didn't had sex in all those years she was doing their thing), then yeah I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Triss did the bad thing of taking advantage of an amnesiac. Ok. I concede that. But the part about having sex with the "boyfriend" of Yenn? Thats not really relevant with the context of all the characters.
Of course, taking advantage (Even if is small because the dude would have done the same if he had his memories) of an amnesiac is bad enough.

**BaconCatBug**

So, something I found on the internet, sums up my problems with this Netflix adaptation perfectly:

The Witcher
An upcoming Netflix series based on books and video games set in a fictional world inspired by European fantasy and folklore. Becuase the world the series takes place is fictional, the race of the characters should not matter when it comes to casting actors to play their roles. Therefore, for the sake of diversity, it should be acceptable for a character or group of characters who have been canonically described as caucasian to have their race changed when considering actors to play said roles.

Avatar: The Last Airbender
An upcoming Netflix series based on an animated show set in a fictional world inspired by various Asian cultures. Despite the world the show takes place being entirely fictional, the race of the actors playing the roles of the characters must and should reflect the original portrayals as seen in the show. Therefore, for the sake of staying true to the original material, only actors of Asian, Middle Eastern, South American and Native Inuit ethnicities should be considered to play the roles of these characters. In addition, the inclusion of caucasian actors for any role will not only be considered objectionable, it will also be openly protested.

Go on social media and you’ll find people are literally celebrating the fact that the show-runners for Last Airbender have made it clear that there will be no whitewashing of any characters in the series (i/e, no white people will be considered for casting). I loved the animated series, but this sort of unapologetic bigotry leaves me with such a rotten feeling in my stomach that I find myself unable to get excited for this new live action adaption.

**Galas**

Wait what? Theres gonna be a live-action The Last Airbender series?

I don't know how to feel about that after the movie.
Personally I celebrate that they are gonna cast accordingly with how they are represented in the series. Just as I disagree with changing people from the witcher.

Now , I don't see how is bigotry or even hipocrisy what the showruners of the Last Airbender are doing. It is not like they are the same guys behind The Witcher adaptation.